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But when shitihad is half empty BT says 46000, they all think we are stupid, the game us being flushed down the toilet new rules incomming
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Years ago we went to a game between us and Brisbane from memory at the Telstra Dome as it was called then, we were offered seats at reduced prices if we sat behind the goals, this was obviously to make it look like there were more spectators for TV.
As to the umpires it's not the free kicks they pay to the other team it's the same ones they won't pay to us that's the killer.
As to the umpires it's not the free kicks they pay to the other team it's the same ones they won't pay to us that's the killer.
Given they were awarded during a 10 minute period, it makes it even worse
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The first 5 min of the seniors game was unbearable. Who's idea was it to give the maggots mics
AFL will add more rules to try get crowds back
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AFL Commission notes from today's meeting.
1. Remove Umpire boss Brad Scott ASAP - bloke is an ass clown and a disaster from day 1. We'll move him into another position.
2. Blame falling crowd numbers on Covid and not our idiotic decisions making fans turn away in droves.
3. Give Gill's job to someone already in the boys club - an outsider will see what fools we really are.
4. Continue to muck rake RFC through the media and lopsided free kick counts.
5. Give Norf a 2nd round compo pick to make sure Richmond isn't first pick of 2nd round.
1. Remove Umpire boss Brad Scott ASAP - bloke is an ass clown and a disaster from day 1. We'll move him into another position.
2. Blame falling crowd numbers on Covid and not our idiotic decisions making fans turn away in droves.
3. Give Gill's job to someone already in the boys club - an outsider will see what fools we really are.
4. Continue to muck rake RFC through the media and lopsided free kick counts.
5. Give Norf a 2nd round compo pick to make sure Richmond isn't first pick of 2nd round.
Phar Ace
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Does anyone remember playing the game as a child called dead fish.
The one you have to lay motionless and if you flinched a millimetre you lose.
Welcome to the adult version
the AFL standing rule,
where all the supporters don't worry about the football and what is setting up down the field of play
but all eyes are fixated on and hoping that your own player on the mark does not flinch a millimeter.
You see players in motion then told abruptly to stand and they wobble as if they are on an ice rink trying not to move and lose their balance while we all hold our breath.
They are idiots the AFL
The one you have to lay motionless and if you flinched a millimetre you lose.
Welcome to the adult version
the AFL standing rule,
where all the supporters don't worry about the football and what is setting up down the field of play
but all eyes are fixated on and hoping that your own player on the mark does not flinch a millimeter.
You see players in motion then told abruptly to stand and they wobble as if they are on an ice rink trying not to move and lose their balance while we all hold our breath.
They are idiots the AFL
Just seen a secret document from AGL about two new rules for 2023.
1. To increase goals kicked” a player who marks or is awarded a free kick anywhere within his offensive 50 metre arc can elect to take the kick directly in front of the goals the same distance from the goals from where the mark or free kick was awarded”
2. To deal with dissent: “where a free kick is awarded to a team, if the supporters of the opposing team at the stadium show dissent, a 50 metre penalty shall be awarded against the supporters’ team”
1. To increase goals kicked” a player who marks or is awarded a free kick anywhere within his offensive 50 metre arc can elect to take the kick directly in front of the goals the same distance from the goals from where the mark or free kick was awarded”
2. To deal with dissent: “where a free kick is awarded to a team, if the supporters of the opposing team at the stadium show dissent, a 50 metre penalty shall be awarded against the supporters’ team”
Dr Tigris
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Don't see it.
My own conspiracy theory is that the AFL (Gil and SHocking) wanted AFLX. We played the opposite game style to multiple premierships. So they set about changing rules and pushing interpretations that negatively impacted our style - and with a not so subtle push that we are a problem.
Somewhere along the line it just got embedded that Tigers are bad - rules wise. Our game plan is now the dominant style (largely). The AFL can't stop teams winning, but they can screw around trying to somehow achieve something that is the opposite of what wins games and people want to see. And we end up as the 'bad boys' for the umpires. Not because of a deliberate umpiring conspiracy, but because their bosses are pushing an agenda where we end up the atrgets.
If Benny get the AFL CEO gig then I suspect it will change fairly quickly.
Phar Ace
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Inclined to agree - for the most part this elite umpiring cohort are not a bunch of idiots - as unpopular as that comment might be to some. They are intelligent men and women officiating within a prescribed framework. I think a chat with Cotchin or someone else like Grimes would soon confirm this and we operated at the fringe of that framework for quite some time - which has been a shifting feast for a few seasons now. That said Umpires do become habitual in their behavior and the numbers bear this out I think.
So who changes what? Can we change the umpires habits? Can we change the umpiring response to our playing style? Can we change the rules? Do we want to change our methods? It would be interesting to do some sort of comparative analysis between the unsociable era of Hawthorn's three-peat and and the Tigers three from four era. I'm guessing but it might not be that different, perhaps us on the negative side of the ledger a little longer.
It's not the umps but thoase at the top that make the rules. I can live with the interpretation of established rules, maybe I've become immune to losing the free kick count every week, but I'm with Robbo on this one, and that is not an easy sentence to write, it's the new rules that I can't swallow, and the umps just have to adjudicate them, which is nigh on impossible with the passion that the game is meant to be played with.
I pretty much think the opposite
Phar Ace
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You are welcome to, but conventional wisdom is probably not with you. I have some negative views as well, but they are emotive and probably too personal to make a coherent argument - and that's the problem with thinking the opposite!
Phar Ace
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I struggle with the interpretations of a good many of them. And that's the root of the real problem - never have we had so many rules that require interpreting, mind-reading, guessing intent - with a good many of them having no or virtually no impact on the game if not adjudicated. Games are being decided by Umpire's interpretations, their mind-reading and their guesses if intent.
I would go as far as to suggest that with some of the umpires, were it not for power they now wield, some would have become so disillusioned having to umpire some of these new rules that they would have left the game. It's a very hard game to umpire now - but umpires have never felt so important!?
I'd like to see more NRL touches in our game espesh when an oppo player ventures into that protected zone after a mark or play on..
Instead of 50m paid...just allow the oppo to raise their arms, signalling they are out of the game...works well in NRL.
I know some chocolate smarties will/may then try and body block play on whilst having their hands in the air...but better than paying 50m all the time.
Instead of 50m paid...just allow the oppo to raise their arms, signalling they are out of the game...works well in NRL.
I know some chocolate smarties will/may then try and body block play on whilst having their hands in the air...but better than paying 50m all the time.
Totally agree. Even a rule such as the two rucks nominating, which is benign in comparison to other newer rules, means that the ump must control another situation, which in turn slows the game down so that we are often waiting a good 5 or 10 seconds to ball it up, which means more and more bodies around the contest, making it more congested and more difficult for umps.
Watch an 90's game, the time when football was supposedly at its peak, and the umps gets the ball and it is up in a second meaning there are often just a few players from each side around the ball, which makes life easy for the umps.
The AFL rules folk have made football exactly opposite to what it was supposed to do, make football more free flowing and attractive. The new rules have just made things much worse.
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They used to do this and the afl felt the players were raising their arms purposely to disrupt the play
hence why they introduced the instant 50
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Spot on and when you consider how much ground an afl player can cover in 4-5 seconds, its mind boggling they dont realise that its just adding more bodies to the congestion. Throw it up immediately and if no one is there, so be it
Dr Tigris
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Completely agree.
Look at HTB. Someone is tackled and does a 720 or goes to the ground, then they can have another go and get the ball away. In the old days it was if your knees hit the ground or you do a 360 you're pinged. That was clean and clear. Now when is a tackle to be rewarded? Well sort of when they can't get the ball out. So a strong/determined player keeps trying to get the ball out, and can use the moment when a tackle has been completed to go again. Therefore, the umpire should just allow tackles to go on until .... Stupid interpretation. make it harsher, but clearer. Then players know exactly what is going on, so do the umps and so do we.
Probably sped the game up too. When you can have multiple goes it slows everything down. And when you don't know who gets the free from a perfect tackle then ....
My theory:
We don’t really care about giving away a free kick. The pay off of attacking a 50/50 and winning it is far better then halving and getting a stoppage. Giving away a free kick just means it avoids a stoppage (which we’re obviously very poor at) and slows the play down to let our team defence set up.
This is the only reason as to why we give away so many free kicks.
We don’t really care about giving away a free kick. The pay off of attacking a 50/50 and winning it is far better then halving and getting a stoppage. Giving away a free kick just means it avoids a stoppage (which we’re obviously very poor at) and slows the play down to let our team defence set up.
This is the only reason as to why we give away so many free kicks.
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