Unique DT Players

[Bond.ShaneBond]

I'm pretty sure he got 150+ in a preseason game last year.

Is he teasing us again or will he be the real deal in 2011?

He was the real deal last year, until that damn back injury. I was loving him up to round 11, then everything went so wrong!

 

[Schulzenfest]

A unique I am considering is Brody Martin. He costs 232K. He has had massive injuries, but he looks like a ready made hard body midfielder at 22 years and has a good dreamteam game. Adelaide has lost Goodwin, Edwards, McLeod. I think he will be a solid starting midfielder and average upwards of 80PPG and a possibility of 90PPG+. That would make him a high scoring cash cow. he only played 2 games last year but averaged 80.

At 232 he could be as good a cash cow than say Swallow/Polec, and may score close to other mooted higher mid price options of Sidebottom (332) or Anthony (355).

Of course injuries for him are a huge concern but he looked very impressive in the NAB games.

Thoughts?

Has been in and out of my team. Well and truly in Adelaide's best 22 if Craig knows what he's doing. Only issue is durability, but if you only need him to be a cash cow the risk is probably worth it.

 

[BluesMan]

Really considering Josh Kennedy, sydney player.

played well in 1st and 2nd rnds of NAB cup. I know I shouldn't be going off that, but he looks really strong in and around the ball, all day long! Well, im picking him

 

[Crow_68]

A unique I am considering is Brody Martin. He costs 232K. He has had massive injuries, but he looks like a ready made hard body midfielder at 22 years and has a good dreamteam game. Adelaide has lost Goodwin, Edwards, McLeod. I think he will be a solid starting midfielder and average upwards of 80PPG and a possibility of 90PPG+. That would make him a high scoring cash cow. he only played 2 games last year but averaged 80.

At 232 he could be as good a cash cow than say Swallow/Polec, and may score close to other mooted higher mid price options of Sidebottom (332) or Anthony (355).

Of course injuries for him are a huge concern but he looked very impressive in the NAB games.

Thoughts?

Brodie is travelling very nicely in the trial match against Freo. I think he will make the 22 in R1, and never had any major injury issues until his knee. Plenty of durable players have suffered knees and returned to play full seasons. Definitely worth considering.

I have Sidebottom and Scott Selwood in my mids, but seriously considering downgrading one of them to Brodie.

 

[jonoman89]

Very tempted to put Mitchell Duncan in my forward line. Should be getting heaps of midfield time with Ablett gone.

Could average 90. DPP as well.

 

[Shane Hird]

One unique player in the MF would have to be Kieren Jack. Not many teams will have him in I'm guessing.

Got a heap of the ball the other night and looks sharp. Coming off a break-through, very consistent DT season, he's bound to get evn better this year.

Thoughts from anyone who is considering him?

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

One unique player in the MF would have to be Kieren Jack. Not many teams will have him in I'm guessing.

Got a heap of the ball the other night and looks sharp. Coming off a break-through, very consistent DT season, he's bound to get evn better this year.

Thoughts from anyone who is considering him?

He looks great on paper, but i have a few concerns with him.

Will get increased attention through the midfield, he is the most damaging midfielder for the swans now with his ability to win clearances and kick multiple goals in a game. Is only really a genuine midfielder you wouldnt be able to play him in other positions like a Goddard, Hodge can when affected by a tag.

He will still be given roles and\or jobs to play as shown by the NAB. Tagging roles or more one on ones.

He is priced at 90 IIRC and to be a 6th midfielder to win the entire comp you really need a 105 avg. Does he have another 15 points improvement in him? after such a breakout year last year. Players like him who have big breakouts tend not to go on the next year in the past just from memory (Vince, Sewell).

The last thing you want is a player that is going to be a player you dont think requires an upgrade yet on the otherhand doesnt put up big enough scores to warrant doing extremely well. Having said that, if you believe he can avg 100+ id pick him.

Also another thing against him is the quality of midfield premiums this year. Plenty of underpriced 100~ scorers and also plenty of top end quality.

Sydneys success is another factor, i thought they were a top 4 team but now i see them as 6th or 7th challenging with Carlton. Last year everything seemed to go fairly well for them, alot of players had breakout seasons, however on paper they still look very good and could still get 4th IMO.

Very risk reward, is the RISK worth taking when you can pay an extra 10 points (40k) and get a genuine keeper who looks like improving around 5+ points anyway.

 

[Crow_68]

Brodie is travelling very nicely in the trial match against Freo. I think he will make the 22 in R1, and never had any major injury issues until his knee. Plenty of durable players have suffered knees and returned to play full seasons. Definitely worth considering.

I have Sidebottom and Scott Selwood in my mids, but seriously considering downgrading one of them to Brodie.

Rather annoying that his Q1 against Gold Coast will bring him to people's attention.

 

[Pumbi]

Rather annoying that his Q1 against Gold Coast will bring him to people's attention.

So you quote your own post to arouse more attention? Nice logic.

Fact of the matter is, if you are going to pick someone with an element of 'risk', (in this case an awkwardly priced mid pricer in the midfield who plays for a poor side), you would want him to show positive signs in the pre season. He is doing that and more, which substantiates his selection. You can't have it both ways. If he was playing and struggling to find the ball and out of form would you still be selecting him?

 

[major tom]

I am not a fan of Scott Selwood. I think he is overrated because of his surname. We'll see if he improves this year; skills were horrible in 2010. He is young so you never know.

I am thinking of Gwilt. He really found his mojo late last year. He was really good in the finals especially. I think he will have a very solid year. Also St Kilda have been the kings of chipping it around the backline. Yes, that might change this year but I don't think that much, especially in junk time. Blake, Fisher, Gilbert and Gwilt get plenty of cheap marks. With Gilbert going forward Gwilt could be the main beneficiary.

At 300 can he improve to become a back premium?

Any thoughts?

 

[WCE_Phill]

I currently have M.Duncan as my 7th forward.

Good or bad idea?

 

[major tom]

I currently have M.Duncan as my 7th forward.

Good or bad idea?

Looks like he could be the goods but at 278 it is a sizable risk when there are players like Knights, Petrie, Gamble, Krakouer at much cheaper prices.

 

[major tom]

The uniques thread : home of the entrepreneurs, the brave, the adventurers, the gamblers, the foolhardy, the greedy, the massochists, the suckers and the thrillseekers.

This is where I live.

Come visit some time

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I like Gwilt as an option. I Only have room for one midprice back but i like 4 and Adcock seems the one that has the most chance of being a keeper.

With Knights being injured it could mean upgrading a rookie to my 2nd midprice back. But than i feel im not taking advantage of the backline rookies.

 

[major tom]

I like Gwilt as an option. I Only have room for one midprice back but i like 4 and Adcock seems the one that has the most chance of being a keeper.

With Knights being injured it could mean upgrading a rookie to my 2nd midprice back. But than i feel im not taking advantage of the backline rookies.

Dunn, Well Done on being an Essendon supporter.

Talking about back rookies and uniques I am keen on Robbie Tarrant. He looked very impressive in the first NAB game; marked everything with Brian Lake like confidence. I reckon he is going to rack up the backline marks; and he'll get them both cheap and contested. I wish he was 20K cheaper but I'll be picking him.

 

[theone5]

I do not normally quote posts just to critique them, but I could not just let you post this and get away with it. You are way off and misleading the readers.

Comments below in blue.

Stanton has a few positives that will make him a better DT play this year..

1. He's 'fitter' and put on some muscle, which means he's less likely to be thrown around like a rag doll and get caught.
On what grounds can you claim that he is "fitter"?
I am a die-hard Essendon supporter, and I have also had B.Stanton in my DT for the past two seasons and to my eye, his fitness and body size does not look like it has changed one bit from last season.
He has never been one to get thrown around like a rag doll either, he is actually one of our more bulkier midfielders.

2. Seems to have responded to the Hird message (what ever that is) and looks like he knows what he's doing ie: looks confident.
Again, pulling this out of nowehere. What message?
Similar to above, he does not look like he is any less/more confident than last season.


3. Seems to over his history of injuries.
Where did you pull this from!
B.Stanton has NEVER had a history of injuries. In fact, he has probably been our most durable player over the past six seasons.

He has played 123 of his past 127 games, and in this time, he has never been out injuried for more than one game in a row.
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I think Stants will average 105 this season (5.5 ppg improvement), but he should fall between the 100-110 range, and his history also suggests he will play a minimum of 20 games for the season.

In short, he is a good bet and a good selection but when people (such as Nobby8) start posting unjustified reasons why he will improve this year, it really annoys me.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Dunn, Well Done on being an Essendon supporter.

Talking about back rookies and uniques I am keen on Robbie Tarrant. He looked very impressive in the first NAB game; marked everything with Brian Lake like confidence. I reckon he is going to rack up the backline marks; and he'll get them both cheap and contested. I wish he was 20K cheaper but I'll be picking him.

Hard to say he will get consistant games with any confidence.

Surely Grima and S.Thompson cover the tall backs and good know where Hansen will play this year, roo supporters probably know more. They also have Firrito capable as a 3rd tall back, unsure of the role he will play. I guess it will change weekly pending on opposition attacks.

 

[major tom]

Hard to say he will get consistant games with any confidence.

Surely Grima and S.Thompson cover the tall backs and good know where Hansen will play this year, roo supporters probably know more. They also have Firrito capable as a 3rd tall back, unsure of the role he will play. I guess it will change weekly pending on opposition attacks.

Yep it's speculative. But he is just what they need. Thompson struggles on the big forwards yet he is a good tall running defender. All signs have Hansen playing in the forward line.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

I do not normally quote posts just to critique them, but I could not just let you post this and get away with it. You are way off and misleading the readers.

Comments below in blue.



I think Stants will average 105 this season (5.5 ppg improvement), but he should fall between the 100-110 range, and his history also suggests he will play a minimum of 20 games for the season.

In short, he is a good bet and a good selection but when people (such as Nobby8) start posting unjustified reasons why he will improve this year, it really annoys me.

Want to keep him hidden to a degree Theone5

I agree with what Nobby said in most

Ran a 16.2 beep test early in pre season, which would've only probably improved after preseason you would've thought.

From the eye looks to have added bulk in comparison to last year and yes he gets thrown around like a rag doll for a senior player from what ive seen. May no longer be the case is a fair statement.

Jimmys msg can be easily seen to be defense, defense. The essendon fans and media bagged Knights for it and "experts" so it can be fair to assume through what he has said, watching the first 2 games that defensive efforts and tackling are at the forefront of hirdys mind. At the end of the day it is for every AFL coach, the reason why saints and collingwood have been so good and there guns improved in scoring so much.

Stanton has always tackled but can he raise it another 1.5 or 2 tackles a game?? possibly who wouldve thought that with Pendlebury, Swan, Thomas, NDS, Goddard, Montagna ect from a few years ago.

Injury prone? never an injury prone player, i agree. But last year he played the back half of the season with continuous hamstring and lower back problems which seemed to make it hard for him to run normally. (Ie; he ran with a carrot stuck up his arse for the last half of the year) and look how that affected his scoring.

He has good upside it just depends if he can now push through a tag or if the bombers can push the 8th position. If you think so than he will need to be one player who takes his game to another level, meaning avg closer to 110 than 100.

As for saying he is one of the more bulkier players at essendon, that is a dumb statement. How old is our list on avg?? how old is he?? is he considered one of our senior players?? YES. Has he been around alot longer than others?? YES when comparing to essendon like you are doing.

This was quickly typed because i disagree with you to a degree THE15 and agree more with Noddy, so sorry if there are many mistakes, but i couldnt let this slide for long. Well I think his statements arnt that bad.

 

[cammo6556]

Ricky Henderson might be worth a gamble.

 

[theone5]

Again, comments are in blue.

Want to keep him hidden to a degree Theone5
Hidden?
Ha, you say that as if nobody is even considering him. He has already established himself as a true premium, wears the most prestigue number on his back for one of the most popular clubs, and is a pre-season extravaganza year in, year out. He gets noticed.
I am pretty sure he is not hidden AT ALL.

Ran a 16.2 beep test early in pre season, which would've only probably improved after preseason you would've thought.
He has led our fitness tests for the past 5 years, so to say that his fitness has improved is nonsense. It will also have no impact on his DT scoring as his fitness has just remained at the same level.
If you said someone like J.Neagle or N.Lovett Murray had improved their fitness, then that would be a different story, as we would see the differences on field.

From the eye looks to have added bulk in comparison to last year and yes he gets thrown around like a rag doll for a senior player from what ive seen. May no longer be the case is a fair statement.
He has actually lost 3kgs since last season (ie. NOT ADDED BULK). He has lost some size. And he is a pretty soft/weak player and does not use his body very well (especially at ground level), so that is why you may "think" he gets thrown around like a rag doll, but this is not true. He can old more than his own.
To say someone gets thrown around like a rag doll is a bloody big statement, if you think B.Stanton gets used and abused, then what would you say about Al.Davey?
Thrown around like a....?

Jimmys msg can be easily seen to be defense, defense. The essendon fans and media bagged Knights for it and "experts" so it can be fair to assume through what he has said, watching the first 2 games that defensive efforts and tackling are at the forefront of hirdys mind. At the end of the day it is for every AFL coach, the reason why saints and collingwood have been so good and there guns improved in scoring so much.
The message from Hird is definitely on an improved defense, but the main message he has implemented is PRESSURE. So no disagreemenets here but I do not see how this has anything to do with B.Stanton.
In the three NAB games we have played, he has only managed 7 tackles (sure two of those games were shortened, but still, there are no signs here to show that Stanton is flourishing with the new pressure-like game style).

Stanton has always tackled but can he raise it another 1.5 or 2 tackles a game?? possibly who wouldve thought that with Pendlebury, Swan, Thomas, NDS, Goddard, Montagna ect from a few years ago.
I doubt it. He is our outside player, along with Winderlich and Prismall, while Watson, Hocking, Zaharakis and co. do the inside work. Never been a huge tackler either, but who knows. It is all heresay at the moment.

Injury prone? never an injury prone player, i agree. But last year he played the back half of the season with continuous hamstring and lower back problems which seemed to make it hard for him to run normally. (Ie; he ran with a carrot stuck up his arse for the last half of the year) and look how that affected his scoring.
He has an awkward running style (much like D.Swan), so what you are saying here is very exaggerated. He had very minor issues with his lower back last year, but it did not affect his game much. And trust me...I know, I have been watching him like a hawk the past two seasons as he has been in my DT and I guess been a partially unique selection for me in both those years.

He has good upside it just depends if he can now push through a tag or if the bombers can push the 8th position. If you think so than he will need to be one player who takes his game to another level, meaning avg closer to 110 than 100.
Impact on a game is not measured by DT points. He can still take his game to another level by keeping his average the same. Higher qulity, less quantity (maybe you could follow suit with your posting this year).

As for saying he is one of the more bulkier players at essendon, that is a dumb statement. How old is our list on avg?? how old is he?? is he considered one of our senior players?? YES. Has he been around alot longer than others?? YES when comparing to essendon like you are doing.
I said one of our bulkier midfielders, not players.
And going off previous years, he has been one of our bulkier midfielders. To give you a rough idea, last year B.Stanton weighed in at 84kg.
Only two of our midfielders were heavier than him, A.Welsh (88kg) and J.Watson (90kg) but they were 6cm and 8cm taller, respectively.
So going off weight:height ratio, B.Stanton came out as the bulkiest.
This year he has shed 3kgs (as I mentioned above).

B.Stanton is still ONLY 24 years old.
And based on age, he is not even in our top 10 oldest players (I can list you the players and give you the facts if you do not believe me). So again, I am not sure where you were going with that one.

This was quickly typed because i disagree with you to a degree THE15 and agree more with Noddy, so sorry if there are many mistakes, but i couldnt let this slide for long. Well I think his statements arnt that bad.
I could not care less if you disagree with me, and even if you do, I am not sure why you need to tell the whole board that you disagree with me. I would much rather you play devils advocate with some facts to go with.
I think you just get a kick out of disagreeing with people, or debating, or arguing, or whatever it is you want to call it.
You said it yourself "this was quickly typed". If you want to get respect around here, take more time before you post.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Geez you make it hard to reply to the above msg with your set out, any chance of making it easier??

Hidden to a "degree" (Stanton is never an overly popular player) - speaking last 2 years after his breakout into premium category.

2nd is a good point, i guess he has and always will be a fitness gun. Does this help with the new sub rule??

Im guessing you havnt done many recent hard preseasons, but players barely gain weight, due to all the fluid loss and fat loss where they become elite athlets with less than 35 skin fold mms from 7 sites (less than 35 considered elite). Most AFL players would have this after a preseason. You gain weight during the actual season more so than preseason, speaking from well known experience. (Regto senior/ready made players who arnt injured and sit in the weights room during preseason).

But yes poor at ground level thus easily moved around like a rag doll, Alwyn Davey is lightning for a reason, and yes he is the definition of getting thrown around like a rag doll. Stanton is NO (Ablett, Bartel, Selwood, Corey, Sewell, Mitchell, Hodge, Rioli, NDS, Goddard, Montagna, Hayes) thats what im trying to say.

Interesting that Stanton hasnt tackled that much, yet. But its NAB and we cant really go by that individually more as a collection and in this case a team perspective i would've thought.

Never been a tackler?? i disagree. Has pretty much avg 4 + tackles the past 2 years. Not bad for an outside player. Montagna plays on the wing. It is no excuse to not lay many tackles. But IMO he racks up enough tackles but like the below example can it go up by 2 or 1.5 per game??

FWIW a little research Montagna went from avg 3.3 tackles to 6.2 tackles this a 12 point increase, straight there. Maybe a partial reason he went from 87 to 115~ in one year.

Bulkier midfielders? yeah, but hardly something to be proud of mate. Go to Geelong, Hawthorn, stkilda and he would look like a rat.

Whats the good of having a 120cm player if there 100kg weight, they are the bulkiest, yeh good on em. Height matters aswell, hes no Ablett, Goddard, Hodge, Hayes, Bartel in this category.

FWIW he has other things that are on the pro side of this argument that i would prefer not to discuss which make him a good pick, these are the main reasons i believe he is a good pick but these relate to the above points.

 

[Shane Hird]

I do not normally quote posts just to critique them, but I could not just let you post this and get away with it. You are way off and misleading the readers.

Comments below in blue.



I think Stants will average 105 this season (5.5 ppg improvement), but he should fall between the 100-110 range, and his history also suggests he will play a minimum of 20 games for the season.

In short, he is a good bet and a good selection but when people (such as Nobby8) start posting unjustified reasons why he will improve this year, it really annoys me.

I'm ####ing supporting the idea of him as a good DT pick you idiot!

He was playing injured last year. Maybe went OTT saying a 'history' of injuries but he is 'fitter than last year. Blind freddie can see that.

Anyone can see he has put on muscle on his arms and torso. What ####ing games have you been watching over the last 2 or 3 years?

In the past,when he gets caught, he hardly ever breaks free from a tackle and they throw him down like a light weight tackle bag.

From the few games he has played so far this pre-season, he looks stronger in that dept.

Hird's message? Didn't I say 'what ever that is' ? I don't know what the #### Hird has been saying to him, but I've been watching football players long enough to see what a change in their confidence and commitment looks like.

It's just a ####ing opinion FFS.

 

[Dunn - Well Done]

Great Post, TH15 is out of line with what he said and you have said nothing wrong Nobby, dont worry.

THE15 will probably be picking him and doesnt want to much hype around him, must say i might be in a similar position.

At the end of the day no one knows individually what Hirdy has said to him but we can tell what his gameplan may be with what has succeeded in the past and what the experts and media mutuallated Knights over. So its a fair assumption to say he would be telling him to strengthen up, tackle and not get thrown around like a rag doll considering he is a genuine midfielder, 1st round pick and about 25 years old?

 

[Off The Couch]

I'm thinking of giving Rory Sloane a go - I think I have a good combination of top enders and rookies and think with Adelaide looking like there up and about this season he could take it to the next level.