Opinion Unpopular Footy Medalists/award winners

[99cents]

Norm Smith - should it go to the player who was best/most consistant overall or the one that was the most important in influencing the end result?

Not saying Hodge was not deserving in 2008, but Stewart Dew won that game for Hawthorn.

Good point- should go to the player who does the most damage, rather than simply the best overall. Different to brownlow

 

[TubbsFarquhar]

Andrew Krakouer 2011 Mark of the Year over Walker.

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

2015 Norm Smith - Mitchell should have won it.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Hodge wasn’t even the best Anyway. Ablett was. Abletts game was one of thé best grand final performances of the decade. Better then any of geelongs 3 norm smith Medalists. He was just in thé losing side.

Ablett's game in the 2008 grand final reminds me of Matt Crouch in 2017 or Kane Cornes in 2007, players who while they got a lot of the ball, had little impact as their club was well beaten

 

[GWT6]

Voss had 3 effective disposals in the last quarter. I honestly believe you have never watched the game

That response shows that you most likely have not watched it. The work that Voss did splitting packs and pressuring Collingwood was what won them the game.

 

[South of the Yarra]

That response shows that you most likely have not watched it. The work that Voss did splitting packs and pressuring Collingwood was what won them the game.

Leigh Matthews has said many times Buckley was the Best player on the ground but I guess you know best.

 

[South of the Yarra]

That response shows that you most likely have not watched it. The work that Voss did splitting packs and pressuring Collingwood was what won them the game.

Not only have I watched it, I was there.

One of the biggest loads of rubbish imaginable. Buckley had more kicks, more disposals, more contested possessions, more clearances, a far greater efficiency, less clangers, more 1 percenters and more goal assists. Buckley almost single handedly dragged one of the worst midfields over the line on his own back. Voss was running around with Black, Power, Lappin, Akermanis, Ashcroft etc etc.When Buckley and Voss were matched up to each other in the third Buckley tore him apart. Matthews screamed through the headset ‘For Gods sake get Voss off Buckley, he is slaughtering him’. Voss was instantly dragged from Buckley. Buckley was clearly the best player on the ground but unfortunately Buckley and Collingwood hatred take over logic.

 

[GWT6]

Not only have I watched it, I was there.

One of the biggest loads of rubbish imaginable. Buckley had more kicks, more disposals, more contested possessions, more clearances, a far greater efficiency, less clangers, more 1 percenters and more goal assists. Buckley almost single handedly dragged one of the worst midfields over the line on his own back. Voss was running around with Black, Power, Lappin, Akermanis, Ashcroft etc etc.When Buckley and Voss were matched up to each other in the third Buckley tore him apart. Matthews screamed through the headset ‘For Gods sake get Voss off Buckley, he is slaughtering him’. Voss was instantly dragged from Buckley. Buckley was clearly the best player on the ground but unfortunately Buckley and Collingwood hatred take over logic.

I've got no dog in this fight, so I don't really care. You on the other hand are a little bit overemotional with your Buckley infatuation and are pretty biased.

 

[Kavliaris69]

Norm Smith - should it go to the player who was best/most consistant overall or the one that was the most important in influencing the end result?

Not saying Hodge was not deserving in 2008, but Stewart Dew won that game for Hawthorn.

In the second and early third qtr's, if not for Hodge's work across half back, the Cats would have been 5 goals in front
at half time easily. Both would have been deserving.

 

[Kavliaris69]

2015 Norm Smith - Mitchell should have won it.

Cyril was very deserving, but Mitchell or Hodge would have been as worthy IMO. All 3 were outstanding.

 

[craffles]

Cotchin and Mitchell.

95% of other associations just strike the medal or premiership from record as opposed to giving a token one when there are events that require disqualification.

Mitchell seems to love it whereas cotchin always looks and sounds awkward when talking about it. Shows how much of a FIGJAM Mitchell was

 

[MadMaxx]

Thats cos you guys overrrate Cyril .he does a couple of good things and you think he is doing it all game. He isn’t.

mitchell 34 disposals.
smith 23 disposals and 3 goals.

both superior.

goal assists just means he was the last one in a chain that creatEd a goal. Important yes. But many of which were started up the field by the likes of Mitchell.

The Value Possessions....
So your argument makes Tom Mitchell the best player ever, with Scott West runner up right? No wonder the Brownlow is always won by midfeilders

Look, on the day, Mitchell was just shaded in influnce by Rioli. The experts had Frawley as next best on the grd, for the job he did on Kennedy keeping him goalless.

There was no debate at the time, and the only reason you are trying to do it is tall poppy syndrome.. Denigrating a top footballer in Rioli because he didnt get enough possessions as a small forward to satisfy your Champion Statistics driven agenda.

 

[BF Tiger]

Cotchin and Mitchell.

95% of other associations just strike the medal or premiership from record as opposed to giving a token one when there are events that require disqualification.

Mitchell seems to love it whereas cotchin always looks and sounds awkward when talking about it. Shows how much of a FIGJAM Mitchell was

I love that you hate it so much.

 

[freddy mercury]

At the end of every AFL season a number of medals are presented. IMHO there have been a number of undeserving medalists over the years. Here are my thoughts:

- 2017 Premiership Medals - Cotchin and Ellis - both should have been suspended for the GF - not that it would have made a difference to the result! We sacked!

- 2017 Norm Smith Medal - Dusty was good but Bachar Houli was BOG by a mile.

- 2014 Norm Smith - Will Langford dominated the game - Fatty Hodge didn't deserve the medal.

- 2012 Brownlow - Cotchin and Mitchell - consolation prize after Jobe was stripped of the medal. Should have been awarded to Scott Thompson.

- 2008 Brownlow - Adam Cooney - second worst Brownlow Medalist ever.

- 2000 Brownlow - Shane Woewoedin - do I really need to justify this one?

Who are other candidates?

How many Brownlows you got, champ?

 

[craffles]

I love that you hate it so much.

It doesn't bother me at all I am just replying to the thread with my response to the question

 

[GWT6]

How many Brownlows you got, champ?

Lookout - he's gone the champ!

Everyone take cover, we got a tough guy in the house.

 

[Hoops]

No it absolutely wasn’t. I’ve watched that game at least 4 times and every time I thought Martin was BOG (including live).

Houli got a lot of the ball early which sticks in people’s minds, but Martin did a lot more damage.

The narrative that Houli deserved it over Martin is based entirely on tall poppy syndrome.

People even try to argue that Dusty didn’t deserve 2019 and 2020, which is absolutely ludicrous.

2020 was definitely deserved (god damn it), toss of the coin 2019

 

[Hoops]

[Insert Bont's robbery of the 2014 Goal of the Year and 2014 Rising Star]

was that goal really 2014? what have I done with my life?

 

[freddy mercury]

Lookout - he's gone the champ!

Everyone take cover, we got a tough guy in the house.

Yes, that is me, tough guy.

 

[Swans007]

A few Norm Smiths, not undeserved but I would have voted differently

2011 - Selwood instead of Bartel
2012 - Hannebery instead of O'Keefe
2016 - Boyd (or JPK in a loss) instead of Johannisen

Never watched a replay, but at the the ground I thought Langford over Hodge in 2014 too.

2005 Amon Buchanon ahead of C Judd!

 

[Kavliaris69]

Cotchin and Mitchell.

95% of other associations just strike the medal or premiership from record as opposed to giving a token one when there are events that require disqualification.

Mitchell seems to love it whereas cotchin always looks and sounds awkward when talking about it. Shows how much of a FIGJAM Mitchell was

One cheated and the other two deserved to be best and "fairest". What happens in other codes is irrelevant. You can thank Hird for that.

 

[CaptchaProofBot]

well here's what it says on the official AFL website

"Presented to the player judged, by an independent panel of football experts, to be best on ground in the Grand Final."

Norm Smith Medal - AFL.com.au

The Norm Smith Medal is presented to the player judged, by an independent panel of football experts, to be best on ground in the Grand Final

www.afl.com.au

Yes there can 2 bazillion different ways to interprete what "best on ground" is (in your own opinion) but I made sure to check that the article didn't ask for opinion, interpretation from armchair fans. It didn't.

(No, I don't approve of so called media experts to be included on the judging panel..like Damo etc...but my disapproval don't mean jack$hit so why waste my time on it).

 

[Seb78]

Hird stole a b.o.g off Cupido one Anzac Day. It got silly for a while, he just had to show up to win the bloody thing.

I remember that game. Was that Anzac Day 2003? Cupido was huge that day, but bit tough on Hird though. 27 Disp, 5 marks, 8 ins 50s 5 goals. Best on every day I reckon.

 

[windyhill]

I remember that game. Was that Anzac Day 2003? Cupido was huge that day, but bit tough on Hird though. 27 Disp, 5 marks, 8 ins 50s 5 goals. Best on every day I reckon.

Just wanted a different face Seb, he was stiff Cupes.

 

[Seeds]

Not disagreeing, but I guess that's part of my question. Should the award be for the player that played the best football, or one that had the biggest impact on the result. Ablett is a pretty good example for this.

Determining impact on the result is hard to determine though.