Unpopular Port Adelaide opinion you may have

[tribey]

Unpopular opinion: the quintessential pessimistic Port Supporter, that was crucial to our success in our SANFL days, almost killed the club in our AFL journey and will continue to be an issue until we have achieved generational change.

The tradition of treating the season like NAB Cup and only turning out for crucial late season home games and finals was just as bad.

The crowd spikes we achieved for R22 clashes in 2005 and 2013 compared to the baseline are comical.

 

[bomberclifford]

The tradition of treating the season like NAB Cup and only turning out for crucial late season home games and finals was just as bad.

The crowd spikes we achieved for R22 clashes in 2005 and 2013 compared to the baseline are comical.

Yep. Different side of the same coin.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Interesting though maybe there is a SANFL type of supporting symptom still hovering in our base regardless of success.

'roll up for the portvnord clash @ pleurisy park once a year n' finals'

 

[Dylan8]

Unpopular opinion: the quintessential pessimistic Port Supporter, that was crucial to our success in our SANFL days, almost killed the club in our AFL journey and will continue to be an issue until we have achieved generational change.

What does this mean

 

[Jonts]

Unpopular opinion: the quintessential pessimistic Port Supporter, that was crucial to our success in our SANFL days, almost killed the club in our AFL journey and will continue to be an issue until we have achieved generational change.

This is already happening
My generation vividly remembers winning as many finals as freo has

 

[tribey]

This is already happening
My generation vividly remembers winning as many finals as freo has

It's a genuine concern. Us oldies (I'm 47 on Tuesdee) have decades of fond memories of endless success to rely on.

A 15 or 16 year old today would view Port as roughly on par with the Jacksonville Jaguars or Blackburn Rovers.

And here we are.

 

[Jonts]

It's a genuine concern. Us oldies (I'm 47 on Tuesdee) have decades of fond memories of endless success to rely on.

A 15 or 16 year old today would view Port as roughly on par with the Jacksonville Jaguars or Blackburn Rovers.

And here we are.

Stuff 15/16 year olds I'm 21
I can remember 04 but only the ride home from Alberton after watching on the big screen

From there my next genuine football memory is crying after 2007

But ive been told many a times that we were some unstoppable team once upon a time

Edit :watching us lose live at kadina in 2006 is the next one

 

[Malibu#27]

Jake Neade plays his best football up the ground where he can run and carry the ball.

 

[bomberclifford]

Us oldies (I'm 47 on Tuesdee)

Wait.. wot? I thought you were one of the hip young things!

 

[bomberclifford]

What does this mean

I'll reply tomorrow. Currently watching Silicon Valley and want to focus.

 

[Dylan8]

It's a genuine concern. Us oldies (I'm 47 on Tuesdee)

This is distressing

 

[Doctor Feel]

I actually don't remember any success, at all. I didn't actually get into football until around half way through 2005 (16) when I attended my first AFL game. When my dad died when I was younger I stopped going to the football (magpies) as he used to take me. So I had no connection for a number of years.

 

[edgie]

I'm 25 and I know the Port Adelaide spirit. Heck, Dylan8 from Malburn knows. It's a bit of a cop out to suggest the younger generation can't connect with old fashioned Ports, Cahill and Fos and Ebert. The moment we stop that and accept a disconnect is the moment we may as well become Port Power for realz. Every club has barrackers only interested in what's happening on the surface, where it's less supporting a club and more following a team.

I don't know how other clubs work and maybe we aren't that unique, but when I step inside Alberton, it's almost tangible. Its energy surrounds us and binds us.

 

[port_adelaide_1870]

Unpopular opinion: Amon is genuinely one of my favourite players and think he has a huge future at port adelaide

 

[Dylan8]

I actually don't remember any success, at all. I didn't actually get into football until around half way through 2005 (16) when I attended my first AFL game. When my dad died when I was younger I stopped going to the football (magpies) as he used to take me. So I had no connection for a number of years.

The first season I can properly remember following, rather than just bits and pieces of games before then, was 2007. Baptism by fire. So one of my formative Port memories was crying halfway through a belting on the big stage.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

Imagine if we take this years winner of "The Recruit" lel that'll be unpopular

 

[Macca19]

Unpopular opinion: Amon is genuinely one of my favourite players and think he has a huge future at port adelaide

I'm with ya bro!

 

[Macca19]

Wait.. wot? I thought you were one of the hip young things!

Tribey is being modest just to prove a point.





He's actually 53.

 

[Pappagallo]

Unpopular opinion: Amon is genuinely one of my favourite players and think he has a huge future at port adelaide

Good one.

I don't agree with you just yet but it's an unpopular opinion that at least has some merit.

 

[Janus]

Unpopular opinion: the quintessential pessimistic Port Supporter, that was crucial to our success in our SANFL days, almost killed the club in our AFL journey and will continue to be an issue until we have achieved generational change.

If you're saying that you believe that the idea of near enough never being good enough, always demanding perfection of the playing group, always striving for the ultimate and never accepting second best like many on this board seem to cling to as what it means to be 'Port Adelaide' doesn't translate into the modern AFL system - which relies on artificial constraints of trade like drafting and trade periods to facilitate necessary changes to list structure instead of the free for all zone system that existed back in the SANFL...I might be inclined to agree with you.

Sustained and continued success that said people want from the club they supposedly support requires a leg up in the form of father/son, list concessions, massive trade deals for genuine superstar talent or academy picks. That's what clubs like Sydney get because they aren't heartland clubs and would never survive falling down the ladder. We, on the other hand, are supposed to be a football heartland club...and our members can't seem to understand the difference between the list being inexperienced and just being shit and start to question the club culture. We don't want to go through the necessary bad times - the heat that comes from loss and sacrifice - in order to forge the steel required to win a premiership.

People point to the increase in football program expenditure as if throwing money at skills that were developed poorly since draft day due to a lack of funds back in 2005-2012 will suddenly make them better retrospectively...then question why the club doesn't 'play the kids' when in a good system you are never gifted games just because you are young...if you are to be a part of the future you play the right way no matter how old you are, because that's how real club culture is developed.

2013/2014 weren't successful on the back of fitness or anything we were doing per se - although that was all part of it. I am starting to believe that they were successful on the back of how poorly we were perceived across the AFL in general. Like our supposed supporters, our players just didn't turn up...so when we started to, we caught teams by surprise that they would actually have to play for 120 minutes against us, because we weren't as bad as they thought we were. When the opposition started to come into games ready for us in 2015/16, again, our players reflected our supporter base - front runners that only sing when they are winning, getting caught out by 'lesser' teams that were, surprise surprise, at the stage we were at two years ago.

And yes, I'll ****ing say successful for making a preliminary final with a list that had been bottom four in the two years previous. It's called perspective. Something this board sorely lacks at times.

Hinkley is spot on when he says 'You get what you deserve'. We, as a supporter base, are getting the side we deserve right now if we can't appreciate the fact that these guys literally ran themselves into the ground in 2014 to make that preliminary final. That it takes time and experience to constantly and consistently climb the mountain to the summit of a premiership each and every year - which is why, unless you have a group of prodigious talented individuals like Essendon in 2000 or Hawthorn in 2008, most premiership sides consist of players in their 30s. They ran themselves into the ground, for us, and what do some on this board do? Criticize and complain about how if we had done X, Y or Z, we would have made top four and maybe won a flag.

These are the people who are killing the club right now. As if the players and coaches themselves wouldn't be thinking that way already and be doing everything they can to fix it. It's not about celebrating mediocrity, it's about commiserating with the players rather than condemning them.

Clarkson, too, is spot on when he says that sustained success - after the initial teething period - is based on the back of good people in the right roles. He said himself that Port has good people, because we were dead and buried three years ago. People seem to expect us to be a Fortune 500 club on the field now that we aren't trading insolvent off of it. But football success - sustainable success - takes time in an AFL environment.

The pessimistic Port supporter doesn't want to take that time.

 

[Changaneen]

This is distressing

Very good vintage 1969.

 

[Jonts]

Success is premierships

History says you won't look back on 2010-2014 as successful as we built towards a prelim ffs

 

[chiwigi]

If you're saying that you believe that the idea of near enough never being good enough, always demanding perfection of the playing group, always striving for the ultimate and never accepting second best like many on this board seem to cling to as what it means to be 'Port Adelaide' doesn't translate into the modern AFL system - which relies on artificial constraints of trade like drafting and trade periods to facilitate necessary changes to list structure instead of the free for all zone system that existed back in the SANFL...I might be inclined to agree with you.

Sustained and continued success that said people want from the club they supposedly support requires a leg up in the form of father/son, list concessions, massive trade deals for genuine superstar talent or academy picks. That's what clubs like Sydney get because they aren't heartland clubs and would never survive falling down the ladder. We, on the other hand, are supposed to be a football heartland club...and our members can't seem to understand the difference between the list being inexperienced and just being shit and start to question the club culture. We don't want to go through the necessary bad times - the heat that comes from loss and sacrifice - in order to forge the steel required to win a premiership.

People point to the increase in football program expenditure as if throwing money at skills that were developed poorly since draft day due to a lack of funds back in 2005-2012 will suddenly make them better retrospectively...then question why the club doesn't 'play the kids' when in a good system you are never gifted games just because you are young...if you are to be a part of the future you play the right way no matter how old you are, because that's how real club culture is developed.

2013/2014 weren't successful on the back of fitness or anything we were doing per se - although that was all part of it. I am starting to believe that they were successful on the back of how poorly we were perceived across the AFL in general. Like our supposed supporters, our players just didn't turn up...so when we started to, we caught teams by surprise that they would actually have to play for 120 minutes against us, because we weren't as bad as they thought we were. When the opposition started to come into games ready for us in 2015/16, again, our players reflected our supporter base - front runners that only sing when they are winning, getting caught out by 'lesser' teams that were, surprise surprise, at the stage we were at two years ago.

And yes, I'll ******* say successful for making a preliminary final with a list that had been bottom four in the two years previous. It's called perspective. Something this board sorely lacks at times.

Hinkley is spot on when he says 'You get what you deserve'. We, as a supporter base, are getting the side we deserve right now if we can't appreciate the fact that these guys literally ran themselves into the ground in 2014 to make that preliminary final. That it takes time and experience to constantly and consistently climb the mountain to the summit of a premiership each and every year - which is why, unless you have a group of prodigious talented individuals like Essendon in 2000 or Hawthorn in 2008, most premiership sides consist of players in their 30s. They ran themselves into the ground, for us, and what do some on this board do? Criticize and complain about how if we had done X, Y or Z, we would have made top four and maybe won a flag.

These are the people who are killing the club right now. As if the players and coaches themselves wouldn't be thinking that way already and be doing everything they can to fix it. It's not about celebrating mediocrity, it's about commiserating with the players rather than condemning them.

Clarkson, too, is spot on when he says that sustained success - after the initial teething period - is based on the back of good people in the right roles. He said himself that Port has good people, because we were dead and buried three years ago. People seem to expect us to be a Fortune 500 club on the field now that we aren't trading insolvent off of it. But football success - sustainable success - takes time in an AFL environment.

The pessimistic Port supporter doesn't want to take that time.

This and the original quote are spot on. I'm a latecomer to the club, (so looking at this from an outsiders perspective in terms of the attitude) but the harm caused by those demanding success BEFORE they turn up for games is immense. Too many of our supporters demand from the club, without putting in (even something as simple as actually turning up to games).

The lack of patience is another symptom of this demand.

 

[Jonts]

I'm 25 and I know the Port Adelaide spirit. Heck, Dylan8 from Malburn knows. It's a bit of a cop out to suggest the younger generation can't connect with old fashioned Ports, Cahill and Fos and Ebert. The moment we stop that and accept a disconnect is the moment we may as well become Port Power for realz. Every club has barrackers only interested in what's happening on the surface, where it's less supporting a club and more following a team.

I don't know how other clubs work and maybe we aren't that unique, but when I step inside Alberton, it's almost tangible. Its energy surrounds us and binds us.

Yeah but that's changing right in front of us as time goes on

Also well done for the cheeky force quote

Also
I'm in the Amon will make it camp

 

[Andre]

Wait.. wot? I thought you were one of the hip young things!

I knew he wasn't 12 like Dylan, but I picked Tribey as late 30's. I feel young (42 for a few more weeks)!