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[Blue1980]

hindsight heroes everywhere

Where you all been hiding the past 4 years?

Exactly, we don’t know what tomorrow or the next 4 years will bring.

As I’ve mentioned earlier assuming democracy is still in tact in 4 years, Dems could run an identical campaign and if the populace are pissed off with the republicans, win by a similar margin.

You have a large swathe of the electorate who aren’t rusted onto either party who see the whole 24/7 news cycle as just news and tune out, so in a perverse way that gives me hope he hasn’t won this time due to even more people loving fascism and racism.

 

[Blue1980]

Do his supporters genuinely think he'll bring down inflation?

They just think the Dems won’t, so give someone else a go.

I mean the Dems have got inflation down but still much more expensive than 3-4 years ago. We know why, we know the Dems response has been good, but average people not rusted onto either party who don’t follow politics don’t know or care about that.

 

[bourbons]

The lawfare, which people recognised as outrageously overblown and confected;

Just on this part - do you put the classified docs and fake electors cases which he managed to delay in the same category (outrageously overblown and confected)?

 

[Bluelegs]

Ah. It's the old Domino theory again.
That got the USA (and Australia) into trouble once before, if I remember correctly...

Yeah so the flawed domino theory of communism's spread through Southeast Asia is a completely irrelevant comparison to the specific case of an expansionist autocrat invading multiple neighbouring countries when he's already shown he is willing to do exactly that.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

A convicted felon who's has been impeached twice by the house of reps essentially have a racist criminal as president lols

AMERICA **** YEAH!

 

[Blue1980]

9 years of this shit. The fat campaigner only got into politics questioning the citizenship of the first black president.

They know what he stands for. And it’s little more than racism, misogyny and fake populism.


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A hell of a lot do, and they like it, including many here who claim they don’t (some genuinely seem to not know or not take any of what he says seriously so there is that)

I just think in a country where you can have super comfortable wins to Obama and Trump in a fairly short period can’t be written off as irredeemable racists. People clearly vote based on a cult of personality, vibes and close to home factors more than would believe.

We live a lot of this stuff day to day, consuming news etc. that is my biggest takeaway from this, most people aren’t like that and it’s time I realised that and not think a result like this means everyone is a borderline sociopathic fascist.

If a large amount of people can switch parties so quickly based on just a few criteria, they can be swayed again by someone charismatic saying the things they want to hear in service of good. It’s happened before.

 

[Pugz89]

They’d be better having a process to get those illegals to citizenship, and it’s a clear dog whistle to racists.

The border was a problem before Trump, during Trump, post Trump and will be again under Trump.

The logistics of deporting 11 million people doesn’t make any sense from an economic point of view, what are they going to do? Set up detention centres? Is this really the best use of money?

Thing is the border gets flooded with a lot of people trying to come in from countries America has meddled in and ****ed over. (That isn’t partisan it’s happened regardless of who’s been in power in the US for decades)

And many get a pathway to citizenship. But it should still be a privilege, not a right, therefore it shouldn't just be rock up and be guaranteed to get citizenship imo.

Realise that US cause a lot of the chaos, which is pretty shit. But there are other options aside from the US.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but at school I was taught that to claim asylum, you needed to go to the closest viable country. I'd say most asylum seekers travel beyond the first safe country to get to US. Same with us. Many who used to come on boats went through Indonesia, which is a perfectly safe country to live in. Why should they not claim asylum there instead?

 

[stefcep]

Not a single part of this post demonstrates that this claim:
... is a lie.

You have 23 hours and 47 minutes.

Just seeking clarification:

Are you accusing me of saying that "Trump’s core constituency of mostly white, working-class voters in rural America showed up in force" was a lie?

 

[tandino]

Was listening to Dominic Sandbrook's take last night and he basically said that the reality is the majority of people don't care about the day in day out cycle of politics and make their decision to vote based on simple material circumstances. The fact that "Did Joe Biden drop out" was broadly searched on google yesterday attests to this. They don't look at stock market figures or listen to economists they just ask "Am I better off than I was a few years ago?" if the answer is no they're probably going to vote out the incumbent party.

Tend to agree with that assessment and it's likely why Albo will only get one term.

Dominic was best on ground last night.

 

[Blue1980]

And many get a pathway to citizenship. But it should still be a privilege, not a right, therefore it shouldn't just be rock up and be guaranteed to get citizenship imo.

Realise that US cause a lot of the chaos, which is pretty shit. But there are other options aside from the US.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but at school I was taught that to claim asylum, you needed to go to the closest viable country. I'd say most asylum seekers travel beyond the first safe country to get to US. Same with us. Many who used to come on boats went through Indonesia, which is a perfectly safe country to live in. Why should they not claim asylum there instead?

Look this is all worthy of discussion and I think there is no easy solution here. Both Dems and republicans are pretty hard on the border stuff, not sure why the Dems always accept Republican framing on it though.

 

[Alfonz]

Something I find very interesting. Trump isn't more popular now, than he was at the previous election. At this point in time, he actually has around two million votes less than last time. So you could argue, less popular this time around.

If someone said, Trump would have two million less votes this election. You would have thought more confidently that the Democrats would have gotten up. But here is the thing, they themselves got a massive near 14 million less votes, at this point in time, compared to the previous election.

I have always said, Democrats have always had more voters in general these days, whether they win or lose these days, actually comes down to turn out from their own base.

In fact, for all the talk of record registrations, and record lines at the voting locations etc. Around 15-16 million people less voted yesterday. Which makes it all more interesting. Why did those 15 million people not vote in the most hotly and important election in many years? And for all the registered voters, and so called record this and that, where did all those votes go? It seems political pollsters massive over estimated, or exaggerated the turn out. Perhaps Covid played a part last time as well, with more people likely off work and free to vote etc.

Would have thought yesterday, you would have seen record voter turn outs.

I can't be bothered working out the total vote exactly, but it won't be 15-16 million less. There's still 8 million left to add in California. Probably a few more million in WA, OR, CO. Maybe with what is left everywhere it might go close to 2020 and will still be a huge increase on 2016 numbers.

Will be about 3 million more for Trump in California alone and take him to almost 76 million. With the other states left to count, he'll probably push or surpass 77 million. Well north of the 74 million he received in 2020.

 

[Taylor]

You’re suggesting the 7th century Islamic cult is younger than the Christian cult which preceded it?
Interesting historical evaluation there Tayls!

I was directly saying that if there is a religion based in an old man raping a child, it's the one set up by the guy I couldn't draw a diagram of explaining what I mean without it being offensive.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

The leftist elites recognised early a very real threat; not to democracy, but to their hold on power. A charismatic person who was not even a politician. Hence the relentless 8-years+ campaign against him. The lawfare, which people recognised as outrageously overblown and confected; the attempts to bankrupt him; the pursuit and prosecution of his associates; the constant negative and vindictive media reporting; the attempts to ”get something” on his family. Attempts to kill him, possibly instigated by the hyperbolic hate spouted by individuals and media.

None of this deterred him. Now he is disrupting their agenda for the second time.

 

[RubyLovesTheDees]

Age clearly isn't a factor at this point. Economy and vibes, or the vibe of the economy.

Europe needs to get their ducks in a row. Once Ukraine is gone the rest of Eastern Europe could be next. If anything Trump won't be Hitler but Chamberlain.

I think Econ/cost of living was the main issue. Hope our folks here focus on that for their election.

I also think Trump will try to make Ukraine cede land to Russia and be the hero. Interesting times ahead.

 

[Norwegian Blue]

Age clearly isn't a factor at this point. Economy and vibes, or the vibe of the economy.

Europe needs to get their ducks in a row. Once Ukraine is gone the rest of Eastern Europe could be next. If anything Trump won't be Hitler but Chamberlain.

Europe, more precisely the EU plus Britain, has a population 5 times that if Russia and a GDP of 8 times. They should be perfectly capable of defending themselves against a Russian aggressor that's struggling to defeat Mighty Ukraine.

 

[RubyLovesTheDees]

They’d be better having a process to get those illegals to citizenship, and it’s a clear dog whistle to racists.

The border was a problem before Trump, during Trump, post Trump and will be again under Trump.

The logistics of deporting 11 million people doesn’t make any sense from an economic point of view, what are they going to do? Set up detention centres? Is this really the best use of money?

Thing is the border gets flooded with a lot of people trying to come in from countries America has meddled in and ****ed over. (That isn’t partisan it’s happened regardless of who’s been in power in the US for decades)

It's just a dog whistle like "Make Mexico pay for the wall!"

Nothing will happen, other than making his mates even wealthier.

 

[MarcMaverick]

What’s false? He’s been found civilly liable for rape. Multiple accusations. He’s admitted it himself.

He’s Epsteins friend. Multiple videos of them ogling young women. He’s all over the Epstein files.

Where’s the lie?


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No I get your anger. I just think its aimed at the wrong targets. Your team didn't learn their lessons from 8 years ago and now its coming home to roost in a big way.

As I have said: Once is a mistake(2016). Twice or more is a trend(2024). Trump didn't do much to win so much as the Dems did it lose to themselves. The Dems played themselves, and lost. Lost to their ego, arrogance, elitism.

Its time now, to analyze what went so horribly wrong for the Democrats. And how to get back in touch with the average American. Or be lost forever. Your move.

 

[carltonchelsea]

The Lord's Prayer has specific relevance to the Government of Australia, and Christianity to the formation of the nation.
Look, I agree with you for the most part - I'd find it tedious to be sitting through a reading of the Lord's Prayer if I were to be sitting in Parliament as well.
But if you're aiming for ideological consistency, recognition of history and tradition is either applicable, or it isn't. You don't get to just cherry pick according to your own personal values.

It's a significant part of the problem I have with some of these ideologies - no consistency.


Which state? Are we talking about the foundation of Australia here, or just a part of it?


Not in the post I quoted. Things move fast in this thread.

For sure, if it wasn’t for Jesus teaching our marsupial friends to be able to walk on water, how the hell would they have been able to get from the Middle East to Australia without drowning!
Thank you Jesus, ahhhhhhmen!

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

A convicted felon who's has been impeached twice by the house of reps essentially have a racist criminal as president lols

AMERICA **** YEAH!

Impeached as a political tool only and subsequently acquitted. Don't forget that.

 

[HitTheNailOnTheHead]

I think he takes Nevada and Arizona for 312 which would surpass 2016.

 

[Norwegian Blue]

If trump starts slapping tariffs on our exports, does your love of his racism eclipse your own patriotism?


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Turnbull/Morrison talked him out of doing that last time, when our steel exports were excluded from tariffs. You can bet your arse Albo and Co are scrambling hard for something similarl.

 

[bourbons]

Its time now, to analyze what went so horribly wrong for the Democrats. And how to get back in touch with the average American. Or be lost forever. Your move.

Honestly think there's a bit of overreaction going on with the average american/working class stuff. Yeah its valid, but not the main factor I reckon.

2 main issues imo - inflation/timing, which the Democrats could have done absolutely nothing more about, and Biden running in the first place/switching to Harris 3 months out, which the Democrats could obviously have handled better but didn't.

I'd like them to switch up their approach and messaging as much as anyone, but its totally conceivable they could change nothing much at all next time except run a proper primary, and get back in.

 

[Tadpole]

hindsight heroes everywhere

Where you all been hiding the past 4 years?

Down the rabbit hole.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

No I get your anger. I just think its aimed at the wrong targets. Your team didn't learn their lessons from 8 years ago and now its coming home to roost in a big way.

As I have said: Once is a mistake(2016). Twice or more is a trend(2024). Trump didn't do much to win so much as the Dems did it lose to themselves. The Dems played themselves, and lost. Lost to their ego, arrogance, elitism.

Its time now, to analyze what went so horribly wrong for the Democrats. And how to get back in touch with the average American. Or be lost forever. Your move.

Elitism. Average American.

You’re venerating a billionaire. Ably supported by another billionaire, from apartheid money. With 3rd party support from another millionaire.

And when their healthcare and benefits go, their cult leader will point at the usual targets. And they will believe him. Because the average white American male has proven themselves more unintelligent, emotional and racist than other demographics.


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[pjcrows]

Harris' vote is down among women overall. Just a crazy statistic when coupled with the DNC rhetoric just 48 hours ago.