Autopsy US Election Day Thread - Trump 47th President of the United States

[Chief]

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[Chief]

Trump now knows that nobody cares about anything but money in their pocket.

He will go wild.

 

[stefcep]

I almost certainly pay substantially more tax than you do my friend. So perhaps put that dick back in your pants instead of trying to swing it around.

What taxpayer funded amenities are you using today?

I'll let The Donald answer that:

 

[King Patty]

No.

Harris was unable to inspire Democratic voters to get out and vote because she didn't connect with them, we weren't in the midst of a global pandemic, and there's a lot of people who aren't satisfied with their current economic position despite the US fairing better than almost any other country on that front.

so was it Democrats not bothering to voting or Democrats switching to trump or independents?

 

[Chief]

so Republicans cheated?
Trumps total votes similar to 2020

I can't recall the numbers - do you have them to hand?

 

[stefcep]

I almost certainly pay substantially more tax than you do my friend. So perhaps put that dick back in your pants instead of trying to swing it around.

What taxpayer funded amenities are you using today?

Far far less value than the tax I paid for them.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Insults aside, this is all demonstrably false.

You actually didn't explain to me that tax includes income tax and other tax because I already listed those other taxes in a post before you opened your sanctimonious pie hole.

Well, you're still sooking up big time, I see. And not letting the facts get in the way of a good sook. Here's how I discussed income taxes and other (non income, or indirect) taxes. I certainly haven't learned a thing from you in any of this exchange (but plenty about you).

#2. The word income has a meaning. Flowers keeps missing that fundamental point.
#3. It doesn't matter where the hell you live, it relates directly to the level of taxable income.
#4. Indirect taxes (GST, land tax, etc.) are by definition not income taxes.



See #4.



See #4. One subset is income taxes.



Yes, and by referring to 60% in income tax (and repeating it), you have demonstrated your usual level of complete ignorance.

yeah, nah you pay those taxes with your income- Once you have paid your income tax, you left over income is used to pay the GST, the rates, CGT, anything you pay to the government is a tax.

LOL. You pay non-income taxes from your after (income) tax income. The distinction couldn't be any more clear.

I'm not denying we pay different taxes. The Flowers clown was suggesting 60% income tax. He was wrong and you're helping him double down on it.

I maintain that the sum of income tax plus indirect taxes will very rarely, if ever, get near 60% of income.

Secondly, even buying a new car-which 1 million people do every year, even you'd agree 1 million is "many"- can push people to 60% tax. Then many people get bashed with stamp duty, that they pay interest on, for the life of the mortgage. Then the council rates. These big ticket items are a normal part of life for the majority of Australians and the tax man is there with them every step of the way. Hell they even tax the insurance that people pay on them.

My experience is that when people defend the outrageous rates of tax its usually because 1. they don't pay them 2. they live off them either directly as welfare or being employed by the public service. Which one are you?

You know what, I'll humour you. Show us a calculation showing how a typical person - you know, one of the 1 million you refer to - gets to 60% tax on their earned income.

I bet you won't. You are angry enough about me proving you wrong, it would only be worse if you proved it yourself.

 

[faible]

Its the attitude that is elitist.

Here's a common example of progressive ignorance. Progressives commonly complain the rich don't pay tax. Well lets say "the rich" are the top 1% of income earners. Do you agree they don't pay tax? Do you know how much tax they pay?

What attitude? That people should be educated about how their being taxed?

Who do you think progressive refer to when they're talking about 'the rich'.

Do you think Elon Musk pays his fair share of tax?

Here's an exercise for you; take your net wealth, take your tax bill, work out what percentage of your net wealth you're paying as tax. Do the same for Trump, or Musk, or Bezos.

Our tax system is not at all set up to handle the extremely wealthy, and for some god unknown reason, people who aren't extremely wealthy vote as though they are.

In the US for example, the top tax bracket of 37% kicks in when you earn over $578,126 per annum. How many Republican voters will ever earn above that amount? If you're never going to earn above that, why does it matter to you what the number is?

 

[Tadpole]

Trump now knows that nobody cares about anything but money in their pocket.

He will go wild.

“Go” wild? He already is. My hopes aren’t high that he’ll actually go normal from time to time.

 

[faible]

I'll let The Donald answer that:

So you're both complaining that people talking about tax rates don't pay taxes and they should be ignored, yet also claiming that not paying taxes makes someone smart.

Which is it?

I know a guy who didn't pay taxes for a while. He now owes the ATO a lot of money. He isn't a smart man.

 

[Saint Shags]

I'll let The Donald answer that:

So, you are saying that people should game the situation and not pay tax.
The only people that seem to be able to do that are those that are rich.
The ones that have to pay tax seem to be middle and lower classes.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

so Republicans cheated?
Trumps total votes similar to 2020

Yeah what if Republicans stacked the State run voting booths and election officials and rejected or displaced a heap of Democrat votes?

 

[faible]

Far far less value than the tax I paid for them.

Unlikely. How many different roads alone will you drive on this week?

 

[faible]

So, you are saying that people should game the situation and not pay tax.
The only people that seem to be able to do that are those that are rich.
The ones that have to pay tax seem to be middle and lower classes.

It's a good trick isn't it.

 

[Saint Shags]

Far far less value than the tax I paid for them.

That wasn't the question. What amenities are you using. Not what the value of them is.

 

[Blue1980]

Housing policy is a disgrace - they want complete authoritarian control.

More public housing?

 

[Chief]

“Go” wild? He already is. My hopes aren’t high that he’ll actually go normal from time to time.

True - but I mean he will not be even as restrained as he was last time.

Everybody will get pardons. He will commit as many crimes as he can.

 

[King Patty]

I can't recall the numbers - do you have them to hand?

FYI those figures a day old and they are still counting votes.

 

[Blue1980]

Do more people think that 2020 was possibly stolen now? And trump won 3 elections in a row.

given Democracy was on the line surely more people voted in 2024 election than 2020?

for example 90,000+ Amish voted 2024 vs 32,000 in 2020

The Amish voting for trump.

Basically the cost of living stuff cost them at this election.

 

[QuietB]

Trump puts the dick in dictatorship - THE POLITICS

The convicted felon ran a hypermasculine campaign with grievance at its heart. It delivered for the tech bros. And it heralds the fall of a once great democracy.

thepolitics.com.au

7 November 2024
Proud Boys, stand back.
There was no need for plan B, as it turned out. No need for Steve Bannon and his gun-carrying MAGA army to “Fight, fight, fight!”. Donald Trump very clearly set out his stall as a depraved dictator ramping up hate against aliens who would poison the blood of America. Americans looked at this neo-Nazi movement, led by a felon, and said “Hell yeah, I’ll take that.”
They say youth is wasted on the young. We can now add that democracy is wasted on America.
Guardian writer Carole Cadwalldr summed it up this way: “Who knows what comes next but this now is oligarchy. It’s the conjoining of state power & business interests. It’s 90s Russia. It’s the chaos before the crackdown. It’s Musk & Thiel & every cryptobro chancer in Silicon Valley.”
Nine newspapers’ columnist Jacqueline Maley described the devastation for American women: “The Trump campaign amounted to an open-carry licence to misogyny and contempt for femininity. It gave social permission for the worst kind of sexism and nastiness towards women. It didn’t matter.”
US stand-up comedian J-L Cauvin, famed for his exquisite Trump impersonations, concluded that amid all the excuses it was high time for Americans to turn the mirror on themselves: “The [conclusion] seems pretty clear that America decided it was hateful enough and, let’s face it, stupid enough to put Trump back into office.” Cauvin’s five-minute take is well worth a listen. It goes to the heart of America’s darkness.

Gone to the dogs​

You can look for the reasons as we did collectively here at The Politics a few weeks ago but in the end it turns out America is just plain dumb. Breathtakingly so. Haitian immigrants eat pet dogs in Springfield, don’t you know?
Silver linings? There are a few for those who are with the program. Former prime minister Scott Morrison is right back where he belongs, schmoozing a dictator for Jesus. Atheists and sinners beware: this must surely be God’s plan in action. Gina Rinehart was the belle of the Mar-a-Lago ball last night, seeing in the dawn of a new Trump dynasty, an oligarchy of Trumps stretching out for perhaps decades. Rupert, too, will be well pleased that Fox has seen off the woke threat emanating from those them/they LGBQTI+-addled Democrats. Poetically he will be able to point to the will of the people as justification for his ruthless profit-driven twisting of reality.

Meanwhile back in Australia …​

Trump’s victory reinforces the lesson that you can get away with pretty much anything in politics — especially if you have the Murdochs on your side and a population that isn’t paying attention and barely gives a toss about democracy anyway. Just such an example played out yesterday. As the world’s gaze was fixed on the voting intentions of Fulton County, Georgia, perpetual trainwreck Nationals Senator Bridget McKenzie was quietly correcting the record on her declaration of travel upgrades.
McKenzie’s doings — conducted in the metaphorical dead of night — should not be glossed over because in their own small tawdry way they exemplify the slide in political standards which is part and parcel of plummeting trust in government. Just last week she postured as the integrity tsar when it came to denouncing Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s alleged abuses of Qantas upgrades. Yesterday though it emerged that she had failed to declare 16 flight upgrades from Qantas and other carriers. It was a spectacular own goal, but as we have seen over more than a decade, McKenzie doesn’t do shame.
In her first speech to the Senate in 2011 she declared she was “suspicious of government and its role in our lives”. She conceded that her position “may be unfashionable” and that it contained an “inherent contradiction”. McKenzie, as she was making clear, doubted the very institution she had joined.
As we have documented, McKenzie has always struggled with the twin concepts of transparency and parliamentary accountability. For years she failed to declare on her pecuniary interests register that a gun company had paid for her “recreation” trips to New Zealand and Tasmania. She came to grief in the 2020 “sports rorts” affair when she failed to fully declare her interests, although she never admitted there was any “real or apparent” conflict of interest in her decisions.
Having been sacked from the ministry, McKenzie then took to reporting the tiniest gift, with a list of declarations so comprehensive as to be absurd. Her declared gifts included a packet of Allen’s Chicos chocolate lollies, a box of Cadbury Roses chocolates, a Cadbury Dairy Milk Fruit & Nut bar and a single gerbera. And yet, as we now know, while carefully recording the $2 chocolate bars, well over a dozen flight upgrades possibly worth thousands of dollars eluded her net.

The dark side​

So what action might we expect an opposition leader to take when a prominent member of the team breaches the transparency rules so extravagantly? And is clearly a repeat offender? Might Peter Dutton remove McKenzie from the shadow ministry to send a signal about the importance of parliamentary standards? Pigs might fly. (And, it turns out, they do.)
The Trump example, thoroughly absorbed by the opposition leader, is to never apologise, always attack — and to keep flooding the zone with outrage. We have now seen exactly where that ends.
Vale USA. It was nice knowing you. But perhaps we never knew you at all.

 

[Blue1980]

Its the attitude that is elitist.

Here's a common example of progressive ignorance. Progressives commonly complain the rich don't pay tax. Well lets say "the rich" are the top 1% of income earners. Do you agree they don't pay tax? Do you know how much tax they pay?

Who has ever said they don’t pay tax? It’s more they don’t pay enough tax that’s the argument

 

[Gavin Excell]

Probably* - we were last time, because the US doesn’t have a trade deficit with Australia, so we avoided that fate.

*with the regular caveat that Trump is erratic etc etc.

I can't help but think the whole tariffs thing is just bluster. I doubt it will be implemented in the manner he has suggested during his campaign

Ditto with the deportations

 

[Gough]

Trump hotels on the Gaza Strip would be odds on now.

 

[Blue1980]

so was it Democrats not bothering to voting or Democrats switching to trump or independents?

Not voting

 

[Blue1980]

What attitude? That people should be educated about how their being taxed?

Who do you think progressive refer to when they're talking about 'the rich'.

Do you think Elon Musk pays his fair share of tax?

Here's an exercise for you; take your net wealth, take your tax bill, work out what percentage of your net wealth you're paying as tax. Do the same for Trump, or Musk, or Bezos.

Our tax system is not at all set up to handle the extremely wealthy, and for some god unknown reason, people who aren't extremely wealthy vote as though they are.

In the US for example, the top tax bracket of 37% kicks in when you earn over $578,126 per annum. How many Republican voters will ever earn above that amount? If you're never going to earn above that, why does it matter to you what the number is?

So those guys that they love like Musk, Thiel and Trump can get even richer.

Also George soros but he’s a bad evil billionaire to them.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

The 20ish % of Trump voters who believe stuff like kids are going to school boys and coming home girls?

Well yeah, I'd sure hope I'm better than those people lol. Weapons grade morons surely you'd agree.

Where did you pull that number from?