Vic Club dominating (10 flags in 11 years)

[footyfan1978]

I just think it's really sad that the rest of the world knows how to run a professional competition fairly, and we don't.

The rest of the world professional competitions hold no interest to me. If they were anything worth following I would be following them. Thankfully I have always followed the league and game that has the grand final at the very home of the best game in the world itself. Go follow another sport if you find this one sad. Happy the game I follow sports that have no appeal to me. It is unfair enough some interstate sides get bigger rewards than other clubs for finishing top 2.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

It’s cyclical.

Two clubs have won seven of those ten Victorian flags. Maybe hawthorn and Geelong were just very good. Also of note is the fact that interstate teams didn’t actually make many gfs in that time period so Mcg home ground advantage is irrelevant.

Prior to that Brisbane port Sydney and West Coast dominated.

 

[footyfan1978]

Fairest way is remove home games for finals after week one and all clubs base their finals campaigns at the home of football for as long as they remain in final 3 weeks. Play the last 5 finals at MCG would be even better imo. Would just add more to the finals series as an event.

 

[bh90210fan]

Fairest way is remove home games for finals after week one and all clubs base their finals campaigns at the home of football for as long as they remain in final 3 weeks. Play the last 5 finals at MCG would be even better imo. Would just add more to the finals series as an event.

Fairest way is to gift Vic clubs more home finals??? Now I’ve heard it all!

 

[Bone71]

Fairest way is remove home games for finals after week one and all clubs base their finals campaigns at the home of football for as long as they remain in final 3 weeks. Play the last 5 finals at MCG would be even better imo. Would just add more to the finals series as an event.

You would need to change the finals format for that to work otherwise there would be little point finishing higher than 4th.

btw the fairest way is to extend the current finals rule in the 1st 3 weeks to the last week as well.

 

[The_Reaper]

That's right as cannot be avoided if we want it at the best venue for the grand finale of our game.
The difference is the grand final is played at the MCG. The most neutral ground in the game that also happens to hold the most capacity by far.
It is not played there because it is any teams home ground.
They happen to play home games at the venue that is the home of footy itself and have no home team rights on grand final day.

Look I honestly agree that the grand final should stay at the MCG but lets cut this delusional bullshit about it being the most neutral ground. Its not a neutral ground many years.
It is however the best stadium for hosting and has the historical value in hosting.

Some inequalities will always be there but make sure every team gets a minimum three games a year at the MCG during the home and away season.

 

[PowerForGood]

The rest of the world professional competitions hold no interest to me. If they were anything worth following I would be following them. Thankfully I have always followed the league and game that has the grand final at the very home of the best game in the world itself. Go follow another sport if you find this one sad. Happy the game I follow sports that have no appeal to me. It is unfair enough some interstate sides get bigger rewards than other clubs for finishing top 2.

So your points is "I don't watch other sports so I don't care if they can run fair comps", then suggest that the fair component of the finals series (earned finals at home for finishing higher on the ladder) is unfair? Maybe we should have the whole finals series based in Melbourne? Does that suit you better?

Even better that you think that this competition defines the sport, I watch other forms of Aussie Rules as well (SANFL and Amateurs) who also know how to hold a fair competition. Pity that the highest level competition seeks to put its Victorian component and financial considerations ahead of a fair competition.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

Grand Final will never be moved from the MCG and if it was the venue would need to be decided upon at the release of the fixture....why you ask.......club membership Grand Final ticket guarantee....this would need to be altered for each venue and imagine being told you no longer have a GF guarantee because the club needed to slash numbers to fit requirement.

Remember club GF guarantee's, corporate packages, club ticket allocation etc is all based off a 100,000 ticket Grand Final.....change the venue and all this would need to be slashed, cant do that after the prelims.

 

[Roovolution]

I was THERE!!!!!
God your team sucked eggs on the day and made it less than I hoped as a neutral looking on hoping for a good game.
I can understand your want for escapism going for that team than facing the fact they shat the bed terribly. Some of us have to live in the real world after seeing the crap your team dished up.

I meant the Swans v Bulldogs

 

[blue harvest]

I just think it's really sad that the rest of the world knows how to run a professional competition fairly, and we don't.

We are very different to the rest of the world though.
Just because the rest of the world does it one way, doesn't mean it's the best way.
We have a very unique game here which is still the people's game, I would hate for it to turn into what most top world sport has.

 

[blue harvest]

Disagree. Unless they can attract top overseas sprinters, or another Black Caviar comes along, all that money they're pouring into The Everest will be for nought. The waste is obscene.

Sydney has the autumn and it plays second fiddle. That's just how it is.

They can get back to us when they build a 100k+ race track.

 

[Bone71]

Grand Final will never be moved from the MCG and if it was the venue would need to be decided upon at the release of the fixture....why you ask.......club membership Grand Final ticket guarantee....this would need to be altered for each venue and imagine being told you no longer have a GF guarantee because the club needed to slash numbers to fit requirement.

Remember club GF guarantee's, corporate packages, club ticket allocation etc is all based off a 100,000 ticket Grand Final.....change the venue and all this would need to be slashed, cant do that after the prelims.

So what? The guarantee is laughable as it is. Not to mention that the MCC wouldn't have their allocation and not many AFL members etc etc would pay the travel and accommodation costs so you actually might even end up with a more genuine split with more actual club supporters in attendance were it played outside of Melbourne.

 

[PowerForGood]

Oh you can talk. Didn't Allan Macallister say in 1991 Collingwood will, or should not have to play, West Coast in Perth in a final even though the Eagles finished top or second? And had a hissy fit over it?

Will it take Collingwood finishing top but making them play the Crows or Fremantle in Adelaide or Perth in the grand final to get it through your thick skull that the MCG is a massive advantage for the Victorian team over the interstate side? How would you like that? I'm tipping your sense of entitlement would have you throwing the dummy out with the nappy. Think about it, you finish top, you play a team who finished 5th, but you're playing them at their home ground in front of their crowd. And before you say it wouldn't bother me, it's neutral bla bla farking bla, actually put yourself in that position. See how you go then.

Honestly, would love to see that happen one day, a Victorian team finishing top but having to play an interstate team at their venue in the grand final. Because that's the only thing that will make Victorians see it for what it is. And then watch the pandamonia unfold.

And all that we are talking about is the playing side.

Victorians want to talk about "looking after supporters getting into the game". Imagine listening to the whinging on how much it would cost them to travel to Adelaide/Perth/Bris/Syd, get time off from work, get accommodation, travel time, eating out, etc

And considering the supporters who can't travel, if they do win away from home they can't celebrate that night with the team at their home clubrooms/oval.

 

[Happy_Neale]

We are very different to the rest of the world though.
Just because the rest of the world does it one way, doesn't mean it's the best way.
We have a very unique game here which is still the people's game, I would hate for it to turn into what most top world sport has.

Nothing about the Grand Final screams 'the peoples game' to me.

 

[Thats Wright]

Nothing about the Grand Final screams 'the peoples game' to me.

The parade is usually a big deal. Free even.

 

[PowerForGood]

We are very different to the rest of the world though.
Just because the rest of the world does it one way, doesn't mean it's the best way.
We have a very unique game here which is still the people's game, I would hate for it to turn into what most top world sport has.

Many outside of Victoria already feel that it has changed away from them as supporters. eg their team is disadvantaged purely because their team is not based in Victoria.
I'm lucky in that I've been able to support my team through the change from a state to a national comp, like every Victorian team except Fitzroy and no other team in Australia.
And I can see why most Vic's wouldn't want it to change. And we all know why.

 

[blue harvest]

$600 for an afl membership is also a bargain when it gives you access to 40 games @ $15 a game. The afl won’t struggle to sell these either you are being dramatic.

It is a bargain, not because it gets you into 40 games, because it gets you a GF ticket.
Hardly anyone goes to 40 games, most probably use it 10 or 15 times.
The silver membership which is something like $500 isn't sold out, why, because you have little chance of getting GF ticket, you still get 40 games, and free entry first 2 weeks of finals, but not the GF and hence it isn't sold out.
If they moved the GF then AFL Member revenue would drop, some would no longer bother and the remainder would want a price cut.

 

[LoungeLizard]

That's the Vic's line now.... the venue "best" for the Grand Final..... let's keep it as subjective as possible so the definition can always be changed to suit a Victorian home ground advantage.
I just think it's really sad that the rest of the world knows how to run a professional competition fairly, and we don't.

Here's 2 options.
Go follow one of those other sports the rest of the world run.
Or
Keep following this one, but spend heaps on tissues.

 

[Happy_Neale]

The parade is usually a big deal. Free even.

Yeah, just too bad if you want to actually see the game even as a paying member sometimes. Corporates and MCC members much more important since they pay more. I can respect the AFL for what it is - a corporation, but lets not pretend they are out to look after the interests of the common fan.

 

[blue harvest]

Nothing about the Grand Final screams 'the peoples game' to me.

It really is and it's great.
Just organise the right membership and you will be there.
This whole corporate thing is myth, the vast majority of the crowd on GF day are footy fans who organised a suitable membership, whether that be club/AFL/MCC. The Swans had trouble selling their GF ticket allocation, as a Lion you should have no problem. There aren't many sports in the world where an average Joe like me or you can go to the GF.

 

[Tiger Toffee]

So what? The guarantee is laughable as it is. Not to mention that the MCC wouldn't have their allocation and not many AFL members etc etc would pay the travel and accommodation costs so you actually might even end up with a more genuine split with more actual club supporters in attendance were it played outside of Melbourne.

LOL you dont actually believe what you wrote do you, more split for members outside Melbourne......try 50% less for club members if outside Melbourne, corporates wont miss out no matter where the game was played.

 

[Happy_Neale]

It really is and it's great.
Just organise the right membership and you will be there.
This whole corporate thing is myth, the vast majority of the crowd on GF day are footy fans who organised a suitable membership, whether that be club/AFL/MCC. The Swans had trouble selling their GF ticket allocation, as a Lion you should have no problem. There aren't many sports in the world where an average Joe like me or you can go to the GF.

It really isn't. Like I said earlier, I get the AFL are a corporate machine who exist to make money so it isn't that I don't understand why it is the way it is. I had Richmond supporting mates who were September members and couldn't get a ticket under $1,000 last year, some of the corporate tickets are over 2k. The average Joe can't pay that to watch the game and in a league without private ownership that is a bit disappointing in my view, especially considering a decent portion of people in the crowd are neutrals or have little interest in the game.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

Grand Final will never be moved from the MCG and if it was the venue would need to be decided upon at the release of the fixture....why you ask.......club membership Grand Final ticket guarantee....this would need to be altered for each venue and imagine being told you no longer have a GF guarantee because the club needed to slash numbers to fit requirement.

From what I have been told: The AFL GF venue will be decided 2-3 years in advance.

 

[King Brown]

You think a grand final there once every 5 years will change that?

Yes.

 

[blue harvest]

It really isn't. Like I said earlier, I get the AFL are a corporate machine who exist to make money so it isn't that I don't understand why it is the way it is. I had Richmond supporting mates who were September members and couldn't get a ticket under $1,000 last year, some of the corporate tickets are over 2k. The average Joe can't pay that to watch the game and in a league without private ownership that is a bit disappointing in my view, especially considering a decent portion of people in the crowd are neutrals or have little interest in the game.

Those 2k tickets aren't corporate tickets, they're packages the clubs sell from their allocation, but yes they are an expensive option.
AFL membership is $12 a week and I can go to the GF every year for $190 and I'm just an average Joe. That membership is open to anyone.
Every club has memberships with GF guarantees, you can't just wait until the team comes good and try and jump on the bandwagon though because by then they will be sold out, you need to plan in advance. The Lions membership GF guarantee is less than $1 a week. You can get a Victorian Lions membership with a GF guarantee added on for a total outlay of $4 a week. Some clubs also give you a good chance at a GF ticket through a standard membership, I know many Geelong fans who went to their GFs with an everyday regular membership. You just need to plan a little bit.