Vic Club dominating (10 flags in 11 years)

[HTT]

The Grand Final is played at the MCG because it is the best venue for it. Just like always, even when it was literally the home ground of ONE TEAM and everyone else got 1 game on it every year. Show me the 75k (excluding members reserve) stadium that is not going to be reconfigured into a permanent rectangle soon, where you plan to hold these interstate GFs. Then we can talk.

 

[footyfan1978]

You would need to change the finals format for that to work otherwise there would be little point finishing higher than 4th.

First week would be the only week actual homeground finals allowed. Hence finishing top 2 is better than 3rd and 4th in that case to get such homeground finals. In this case even Geelong get a final at Kardinia Park in week one. After that all finals at the MCG.

 

[footyfan1978]

lets cut this delusional bullshit about it being the

Please spare me. Like playing a final any other ground we use is more neutral. Like seriously. ha ha. We know all the other grounds have distinct homeground advantages. The delusion is to think any other ground is more neutral or more suitable in any way.

Lets cut the delusion of any other reason you would want grand final at your homeground other than to get a distinct advantage so you try to win all your finals from homeground where you know you enjoy a distinct advantage. Amusing to think you trying to spin it as motivated by fairness. That's delusion to think I would buy such nonsense.

 

[footyfan1978]

Fairest way is to gift Vic clubs more home finals???

Let me know about the home finals my team had in 1995 at Princes Park when we were on top of ladder by 4 wins over second place. Oh, that's right we did not get any. But lets pretend it is fair that another team in another year gets more reward finishing on top by silver platter path to grand final with 2 home games at their ground like Crows did this year. Lets remove that nonsense and make them earn making the grand final by only having homeground advantage in week one. Geelong were not gifted more home games finals as a Vic based club apart from week one in one year versus Fremantle. That's where it should end. Week One!
Then I think it would be a little more fair on clubs that cannot get a distinct homeground advantage in years they are a serious contender. Then we might not see ordinary sides like Crows make the grand final a crap game due to getting such a soft path to get there.

 

[footyfan1978]

Some inequalities will always be there but make sure every team gets a minimum three games a year at the MCG during the home and away season.

It would be even more ideal if every team could get three games there minimum. Logistically it cannot be done, but it is possible for every team to have a minimum of two and I think that is fine because back in the day when only Richmond and Melbourne were tenants at MCG other clubs here could only get 2 at MCG in home and away and we readily accepted the best venue to host a grand final was at MCG.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

2007 1 d 2
2008 neutral 2 d 1
2009 neutral 2 d 1
2010 neutral 1 d 3
2011 neutral 2 d 1
2012 1 d 3
2013 1 d 3
2014 2 d 1
2015 3 d 2
2016 7 d 1
2017 3 d 1

If you look at ladder position of the premier, the highest place team on the ladder has one three out of seven flags in games between Vic and non Vic teams.

In neutral Vic finals, the highest placed team on the ladder has won one out of four flags.

I dont see any trend that says interstate teams cant win premierships. Perhaps the last two years two Vic teams have broken a long drought and were advantaged by the momentum of a home advantage but thats a small part of the sample set (which in itself was cherry picked anyway). Also of note minor premier Fremantle choked in 2015 and didnt evem make the Gf despite two home games and a week off. Hawthorn had to win on the road to even make the GF.

 

[bh90210fan]

Let me know about the home finals my team had in 1995 at Princes Park when we were on top of ladder by 4 wins over second place. Oh, that's right we did not get any. But lets pretend it is fair that another team in another year gets more reward finishing on top by silver platter path to grand final with 2 home games at their ground like Crows did this year. Lets remove that nonsense and make them earn making the grand final by only having homeground advantage in week one. Then I think it would be a little more fair on clubs that cannot get a distinct homeground advantage in years they are a serious contender. Then we might not see ordinary sides like Crows make the grand final a crap game due to getting such an soft path to get there.

If you think that by taking away semi finals and prelims from the rest of Australia and playing them all at the MCG is making the game fairer than you are the biggest goose on bigfooty

 

[Crazy Vossy]

There was almost a Royal Commission following the 2006 premiership when West Coast won. How things change

 

[blue harvest]

It would be even more ideal if every team could get three games there minimum. Logistically it cannot be done, but it is possible for every team to have a minimum of two and I think that is fine because back in the day when only Richmond and Melbourne were tenants at MCG other clubs here could only get 2 at MCG in home and away and we readily accepted the best venue to host a grand final was at MCG.

In 1989 we only got 1 game at the G all year in the lead up to the GF and the Cats had 7.
No complaints though, the GF is played at the G and had been for nearly 100 years, we all knew and loved that, and most still do.

 

[footyfan1978]

If you think that by taking away semi finals and prelims from the rest of Australia and playing them all at the MCG is making the game fairer than you are the biggest goose on bigfooty

I know it is not going to happen. I readily know interstate clubs are advantaged with an easier path to make a grand final if they finish top two. I know it is unfair on many Vic based clubs. Fairness has been in short supply since the finals system gave such distinct advantages to some clubs that have distinct homeground advantages interstate that others can never get as we play on more neutral venues.

I will however settle for that unfairness only extending to week 3. I know it will never be truly fair for my club. Enjoy your distinct advantages. Just do not expect me to buy the nonsense of making it totally unfair to all the finals series.

 

[footyfan1978]

In 1989 we only got 1 game at the G all year in the lead up to the GF and the Cats had 7.
No complaints though, the GF is played at the G and had been for nearly 100 years, we all knew and loved that, and most still do.

Exactly because we have not been brought up on expecting soft paths to grand finals. Some johhny come latelies that come down later from interstate are used to soft paths as their only way to expect to win. It is the culture they been brought up on it seems.

 

[blue harvest]

There was almost a Royal Commission following the 2006 premiership when West Coast won. How things change

That was to do with there being no Vic sides in the GF for 3 years, and interstate sides dominating for 6 years, which when you make up over 60% of the comp is statistically very significant, and some Vic clubs having gone many decades without success. There was a bit of a problem.

We have had interstate sides in the GF for the last 6 years, and all the interstate sides bar Queensland have been in prelims recently and threatened for premierships. There is no equivalent problem, hence no need for an inquiry. If interstate sides start going decades without success then there will be an investigation into why. The Queensland teams have had problems in recent years and the AFL has looked at them and thrown more money/help their way. You lot need to let go of this whole Vic bias thing.

 

[footyfan1978]

I meant the Swans v Bulldogs

Was there too actually.
Better grand final than this years.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

MCC members are members of the MCG and the MCG only, if a few decades down the track the GF is played elsewhere they do not even need to be discussed and they have zero rights to the AFL grand final at another venue so that means a 70k stadium is required to have the same amount of corporates as now and same amount of footy fans/members etc.
For the near and long future the game is at the G.

 

[blue harvest]

MCC members are members of the MCG and the MCG only, if a few decades down the track the GF is played elsewhere they do not even need to be discussed and they have zero rights to the AFL grand final at another venue so that means a 70k stadium is required to have the same amount of corporates as now and same amount of footy fans/members etc.
For the near and long future the game is at the G.

Yes they have zero rights to a GF elsewhere. MCC is not 30k though, it's something like 23k, so you would need a 77k stadium to keep the other numbers the same. The main issue with MCC though is that taking away the GF would require a reduction in what they pay. GF access is a big part of the membership, take that away and it becomes a lot less attractive. They should however have paid off their $100M+ debt by then so a reduction in revenue won't hurt them as much as it would now.

 

[PowerForGood]

Here's 2 options.
Go follow one of those other sports the rest of the world run.
Or
Keep following this one, but spend heaps on tissues.

Another "I dont care about a fair comp" Victorian.

And again, AFL is a competition not a sport.

 

[footyfan1978]

Another "I dont care about a fair comp" Victorian.

Another poster using the word fair as a cover for wanting to get more games at their own venues that are less neutral and advantage them greatly. Bullshit detector of motivation in red zone.

 

[longdonkey]

Another "I dont care about a fair comp" Victorian.

And again, AFL is a competition not a sport.

The true jokes are those espousing Victorian clubs have won 10 of the past 11 because they were the best team but prior interstate teams won because of COLA or start-up concessions. As bad as delusional Crows supporters.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

So after all this chat, can anyone tell me how Richmond is to be compensated for being forced to play at Melbourves home ground the last 50 years by draconian town planning decisions?

 

[longdonkey]

Interesting that on 2018 Table Predictions thread Richmond supporters saying that they will be at the top end of the table due to their 14 games at The MCG while on this thread arguing that the MCG home advantage is nothing and interstate clubs are whining. Please make up your mind.

 

[Alfar]

I think this is much ado about nothing. The league is as fair as it's going to get for the moment.

To the Interstate fans pointing out the slight advantage Vic team's get in a GF if* they play off against an interstate team in the most important game of the season; to them I say you get a slight advantage in the 2nd and 3rd/4th most important games of the season. Those being the home Preliminary, Qaulifying and Elimination finals.**

How do you enjoy an advantage in those finals you ask? Simple. If you earn a home final then you will have a genuine home ground advantage in those finals when playing 16 other teams in the comp. Unless you are playing your home state rival you are getting a genuine home ground advantage. Compare that to the Vic clubs where we could possibly play one of the 8 interstate clubs for a genuine home field advantage or we could play one of the other 9 vic clubs and it'll be considered a neutral ground.

94% of the time Interstate teams will get a home ground advantage when earning home finals compared to Vics who will only get that same advantage 47% of the time in their home finals which they equally earned. Yes that is becuase Victoria is saturated with clubs and others states are not but don't go pointing fingers at our advantages while casually glossing over or ignoring what you get in return.

In summary:

Vic's will sometimes get an advantage in GF's.
Interstate teams will almost always enjoy advantages in home finals.
Vic's will sometimes get advantages in home finals.

It's pretty even so stop complaining.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I think this is much ado about nothing. The league is as fair as it's going to get for the moment.

To the Interstate fans pointing out the slight advantage Vic team's get in a GF if* they play off against an interstate team in the most important game of the season; to them I say you get a slight advantage in the 2nd and 3rd/4th most important games of the season. Those being the home Preliminary, Qaulifying and Elimination finals.**

How do you enjoy an advantage in those finals you ask? Simple. If you earn a home final then you will have a genuine home ground advantage in those finals when playing 16 other teams in the comp. Unless you are playing your home state rival you are getting a genuine home ground advantage. Compare that to the Vic clubs where we could possibly play one of the 8 interstate clubs for a genuine home field advantage or we could play one of the other 9 vic clubs and it'll be considered a neutral ground.

94% of the time Interstate teams will get a home ground advantage when earning home finals compared to Vics who will only get that same advantage 47% of the time in their home finals which they equally earned. Yes that is becuase Victoria is saturated with clubs and others states are not but don't go pointing fingers at our advantages while casually glossing over or ignoring what you get in return.

In summary:

Vic's will sometimes get an advantage in GF's.
Interstate teams will almost always enjoy advantages in home finals.
Vic's will sometimes get advantages in home finals.

It's pretty even so stop complaining.

I agree with those advantages, most do. But none of those other finals you can win the cup. So really in the only game that matters the Vic teams have an advantage over the non Vic teams.

 

[longdonkey]

I think this is much ado about nothing. The league is as fair as it's going to get for the moment.

To the Interstate fans pointing out the slight advantage Vic team's get in a GF if* they play off against an interstate team in the most important game of the season; to them I say you get a slight advantage in the 2nd and 3rd/4th most important games of the season. Those being the home Preliminary, Qaulifying and Elimination finals.**

How do you enjoy an advantage in those finals you ask? Simple. If you earn a home final then you will have a genuine home ground advantage in those finals when playing 16 other teams in the comp. Unless you are playing your home state rival you are getting a genuine home ground advantage. Compare that to the Vic clubs where we could possibly play one of the 8 interstate clubs for a genuine home field advantage or we could play one of the other 9 vic clubs and it'll be considered a neutral ground.

94% of the time Interstate teams will get a home ground advantage when earning home finals compared to Vics who will only get that same advantage 47% of the time in their home finals which they equally earned. Yes that is becuase Victoria is saturated with clubs and others states are not but don't go pointing fingers at our advantages while casually glossing over or ignoring what you get in return.

In summary:

Vic's will sometimes get an advantage in GF's.
Interstate teams will almost always enjoy advantages in home finals.
Vic's will sometimes get advantages in home finals.

It's pretty even so stop complaining.

Argument makes no sense and I'd be interested to hear whether a St Kilda or North Melbourne supporter believes there is no advantage if they play Collingwood or Richmond at the MCG?

 

[Ron The Bear]

This year the top 4 had around a 90% win rate at home. Away from home it was around 50%

Bottom of the ladder teams are less than 50% at home and away.

For teams involved in finals home ground advantage is a big factor as proven this year with all bar 1 final a blowout for the home team

You heard Ross The Boss - anywhere, anyone, any time.

 

[Bokonon_]

I think this is much ado about nothing. The league is as fair as it's going to get for the moment.

To the Interstate fans pointing out the slight advantage Vic team's get in a GF if* they play off against an interstate team in the most important game of the season; to them I say you get a slight advantage in the 2nd and 3rd/4th most important games of the season. Those being the home Preliminary, Qaulifying and Elimination finals.**

How do you enjoy an advantage in those finals you ask? Simple. If you earn a home final then you will have a genuine home ground advantage in those finals when playing 16 other teams in the comp. Unless you are playing your home state rival you are getting a genuine home ground advantage. Compare that to the Vic clubs where we could possibly play one of the 8 interstate clubs for a genuine home field advantage or we could play one of the other 9 vic clubs and it'll be considered a neutral ground.

94% of the time Interstate teams will get a home ground advantage when earning home finals compared to Vics who will only get that same advantage 47% of the time in their home finals which they equally earned. Yes that is becuase Victoria is saturated with clubs and others states are not but don't go pointing fingers at our advantages while casually glossing over or ignoring what you get in return.

In summary:

Vic's will sometimes get an advantage in GF's.
Interstate teams will almost always enjoy advantages in home finals.
Vic's will sometimes get advantages in home finals.

It's pretty even so stop complaining.

Ask the Swans fans how they feel about home ground advantage in finals.
In QLD we just don't know because it hasn't happened.
Would Metricon hold the numbers for a GC home final?
Their situation's different to us with more local AFL fans who might want to see the spectacle.