Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[Freomaniac]

Sheridan dropped that mark, not Stevic.

In 2015 Hawks travelled interstate the same number of times as the Eagles and one more than Freo, beat both of them in finals and beat both of them at Subi. Very worthy premiers.

I assume you are happy with the representation of Victorian sides since 2012 when we expanded to 18 sides with 10 Vic sides and 8 non Vic sides?

Since the 18 team era only 2012 swans and 2018 eagles are the only non Vic sides to win a flag?

Hoping another non Vic side added on that list in 2024

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

I assume you are happy with the representation of Victorian sides since 2012 when we expanded to 18 sides with 10 Vic sides and 8 non Vic sides?

Since the 18 team era only 2012 swans and 2018 eagles are the only non Vic sides to win a flag?

Hoping another non Vic side added on that list in 2024

Also the only two non-Vic teams to win it in 20 years: 2005, 2006, 2012 and 2018.

Wild.

Four of the best Grand Finals too! Well, 2005 was a bit rubbish but whatever

 

[Freomaniac]

Also the only two non-Vic teams to win it in 20 years: 2005, 2006, 2012 and 2018.

Wild.

Four of the best Grand Finals too! Well, 2005 was a bit rubbish but whatever

Seems like there is a pattern. Every 6 years a non Vic side won a flag. 2006 was west coast eagles, 2012 was Sydney, 2018 was west coast again.

2024.... There is a possibility of a non Vic side to win. Hoping the sole Victorian side that gets 3rd or 4th, gets out asap.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Seems like there is a pattern. Every 6 years a non Vic side won a flag. 2006 was west coast eagles, 2012 was Sydney, 2018 was west coast again.

Sydney's turn. They're minor premiers after all.

Load up on the Eagles for 2030

 

[doppleganger]

It's skewed by the cats.

Cats have a positive ratio of adv to disadvantage games. Thus there many top 2 and 4 skew it. They've also had teams jam packed with elite players so that skews it further.

Cats aren't a Melbourne team, they have a unique home ground.

There is no skewing, it is just the pattern...teams that enjoy a home ground advantage now benefit during H&A as their "away" games in Melbourne are now at familiar venues, or they are playing a team at a random neutral game.

There seems little doubt that having more games where you're advantaged than disadvantaged is beneficial, but that's not the case for most non-vic teams (except for gether round changing it for the last year's)

It is the case for majority of non-vic, that is the point.

SA teams get 11 full advantage, and 2 neutral showdowns, but then they dont get 11 away games at the home ground of their opponent. They only actually get 9, as Melbourne based teams also travel to play them outside of Melbourne.

You'd be better off taking cats out of the comparison. I think you'll find it's been pretty even for Melb vs non-vic in terms of ladder positions. The extra home ground advantage is cancelled out by extra home ground disadvantage.

Sure, remove Geelong, Top 2 in the 21st century

Melbourne teams 13 times
Non-Vic 23 times

And in 2024 it is looking like another 2 Non-Vic, so make it 13 v 25 now.

Almost as if AFL House had a policy to reduce home ground advantage for one set of teams through the 90s

And then to rub salt into the wound, even if the Melbourne based team finishes top2, half of them dont get a final at their home ground either.

 

[Freomaniac]

Sydney's turn. They're minor premiers after all.

Load up on the Eagles for 2030

Sounds about right. Eagles won flags every 12 years. 1994, then 2006 then 2018. I guess 2030 sounds about right.

Dead certain west coast will face a non Vic side like Port Adelaide or Brisbane or Gws or even the Swans again.

 

[raffrox]

Simple question for the Vic's in this thread.

Who's career would you have preferred to have had from a travelling perspective and why?

Pavlichs or Pendleberrys?

 

[sr36]

Simple question for the Vic's in this thread.

Who's career would you have preferred to have had from a travelling perspective and why?

Pavlichs or Pendleberrys?

From a travel perspective? Pavs for the frequent flyer points. Years of free travel ahead of him.

 

[RUNVS]

From a travel perspective? Pavs for the frequent flyer points. Years of free travel ahead of him.

You know Pavlich did not pay for the travel himself don't you?

 

[Freomaniac]

Cats aren't a Melbourne team, they have a unique home ground.

There is no skewing, it is just the pattern...teams that enjoy a home ground advantage now benefit during H&A as their "away" games in Melbourne are now at familiar venues, or they are playing a team at a random neutral game.


It is the case for majority of non-vic, that is the point.

SA teams get 11 full advantage, and 2 neutral showdowns, but then they dont get 11 away games at the home ground of their opponent. They only actually get 9, as Melbourne based teams also travel to play them outside of Melbourne.


Sure, remove Geelong, Top 2 in the 21st century

Melbourne teams 13 times
Non-Vic 23 times

And in 2024 it is looking like another 2 Non-Vic, so make it 13 v 25 now.

Almost as if AFL House had a policy to reduce home ground advantage for one set of teams through the 90s

And then to rub salt into the wound, even if the Melbourne based team finishes top2, half of them dont get a final at their home ground either.

Who had the land rights or home ground advantage in the 2017 grand final? Tigers or crows?

 

[RUNVS]

Who had the land rights or home ground advantage in the 2017 grand final? Tigers or crows?

2014 too. It may not have made a difference, but Sydney had a right to a home Grand Final and yet we had to play it at Hawthorn's home venue.

 

[sr36]

You know Pavlich did not pay for the travel himself don't you?

Yes. Do you know how frequent flyer programs work?

 

[garlic munchers]

Yes. Do you know how frequent flyer programs work?

Surprised a Collingwood supporter would….

 

[raffrox]

From a travel perspective? Pavs for the frequent flyer points. Years of free travel ahead of him.

Thanks for an answer that proves my point because you couldn't answer it seriously.

 

[sr36]

Thanks for an answer that proves my point because you couldn't answer it seriously.

It's actually quite a complex question to answer. Flying interstate for work 10 times a year, isn't a huge amount for lots of professions. Some who fly regularly for work love it - some hate it.

 

[peetoo]

All clubs to take less dollars in distribution and a new 60k stadium built in Melbourne.

Half the melb clubs play all home games there and half at docklands.

Only one home game per club at MCG. All clubs.


Oh and in case you missed it Hawks are on finals interstate window closed for now

 

[doppleganger]

Who had the land rights or home ground advantage in the 2017 grand final? Tigers or crows?

Land rights? WtF? No idea what that means?

Richmond won by 48 points, they were just a much better team.

 

[doppleganger]

2014 too. It may not have made a difference, but Sydney had a right to a home Grand Final and yet we had to play it at Hawthorn's home venue.

A right to a home GF.

You just make up shit.

 

[74561347]

you would think everyone here would have something better to do

 

[Senor M]

Who had the land rights in the 2017 grand final? Tigers or crows?

The Wurundjeri people are considered to be the traditional people of the land the MCG resides on

 

[Gavin Excell]

With 3 of the top4 non Victorian teams, looking very much a non Vic premier this year

 

[sr36]

With 3 of the top4 non Victorian teams, looking very much a non Vic premier this year

Hawks are playing in a way that no one has worked out how to defend yet. They'll probably need to get through a couple of away finals, but they're a real chance I think.

 

[NetworkNerd]

Hawks are playing in a way that no one has worked out how to defend yet. They'll probably need to get through a couple of away finals, but they're a real chance I think.

Hawks have lost to each side in the top 4 on the most recent encounter

 

[sr36]

Hawks have lost to each side in the top 4 on the most recent encounter

But that includes a couple where they stuffed up protect the lead strategy in games that they had been well on top.

 

[doppleganger]

With 3 of the top4 non Victorian teams, looking very much a non Vic premier this year

Pretty standard really.

The last time there was more than 2 Melbourne based teams make top4 was in 2018, when Eagles were premiers.

The top4 is always dominated by non-Melbourne teams.