Nah mate. Instead of doing a few reasonable and minor things to make the existing competition fairer, we should disband it all, pretend it's 1975 again and go back to strict state based leagues. That's the answer.
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In 2013, Hawthorn were minor premier and Geelong 2nd after H&A.
Geelong should never have been given a final at CatPark (which they lost). Play the final at the G, and Freo would have been no chance...coz the G and shit. That unearnt home final, cost us the real GF which should have been Hawks v Cats (an amazing PF) and instead we copped a snorefest of a GF.
2014, Hawks and Geelong copped multiple return fixtures against each other, costing both a minor premiership if had been given cushy fixture like Sydney...Sydney didnt earn their home advantage in finals...and were duly embarassed on the big stage.
2015, Hawks had to play a home game against Port at Etihad (and lost). WC got to play 'away' games against Collingwood at Etihad and the Dees in Darwin for wins. Play all those games at the G, Hawks finish minor premier and Eagles miss top4...coz of the G and shit.
Eagles didnt earn their home finals, and wouldnt have embarassed themselves in a GF after unearned home advantage.
2016, GWS were fixtured to play a PF at Spotless instead of at the larger AnZ where they beat Sydney in a QF, an unearned home final that should have been at a larger capacity venue. Thankfully, like Geelong in 2013, they lost the unearned home final.
AFL definately needs to fix the slanting of the entire fixture that keeps giving unearned home advantage to certain teams through the season and in wk1, wk2 and wk3 of finals...
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Rare to meet a Collingwood fan who cares so much about the inequality of the AFL.
It can't be challenged, the reasons have been stated eleventy gazillion times on this thread and others
There's reasons certain clubs don't get mcg exposure, the reasons have been stated eleventy gazillion times on this thread and others
Well obviously that's coz vic govt. wants to keep the event at the mcg, make HQ an offer they couldn't refuse, in any case the bulk of the footy market is over there in vic, so for revenue it makes sense for both parties.
It wasn't a 'we hate any non vic so we'll do this'
It's literally the point of dozens of threads on bf alone, yet we're still here.
Non vics still unhappy yet refuse to turn their back on the league they despise so much.
My suggestion makes sense, hit em where it hurts em, turn your backs on em, return to your state leagues and snub the afl.
We get our vfl back and you can all stop whinging. It's a win win.
Or you could ALL take your support away from the league you despise so much and support your team in the state league it already competes in, same with the Crows they too have a team in the state league. Make that league a teir one comp again.
There's enough market to flourish the wafl and sanfl and obviously the vfl survives and flourishes as well
No one wants your 'minor' adjustments, has been explained eleventy gazillion times already
Tell the afl to * off.
Or, just stay salty and keep throwin your toys, up to you mate.
About time someone came up with the answer.
I am all for this, but also, don't let Victoria anywhere near the decision making, let the SANFL and the WAFL do the hard work this time.
When can we see action?
Interesting quirk this year - Port play three games at the MCG. St Kilda and the Bulldogs both play two.
If by some quirk you ended up playing them in a gf it is possible Port could have had more MCG exposure than their Victorian opposition.
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Fun stat that may have been said before. But Bulldogs and Gold Coast are the only teams to have never played a final at their home ground.
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Which is great for us this year, but as you said, it's an anomaly.
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Not that much of an anomaly. You have to go back to 2015 to find a (non-COVID) season where Dogs had more games at MCG in H&A season than Port.
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Just umpire the game with unbiased integrity and give the non Vic clubs greater access to tickets.
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The grand final at the MCG provides more tickets to competing club members than a Grand finals would at any other ground.
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Great, keep it at the G, give even more tickets to competing non Vic club when playing a Vic club.
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The GF 'event' takes too long to set up to only work out the venue a week before, so giving it to the highest ranked team just wouldn't work.
As for rotation...Yeah, let's have a GF on the Gold Coast, or in Tas. 0 fans, because every seat goes to VIPs, Corporates, and AFL 'guests' (players, life members, etc). and before people start with 'Sure, but we need a minimum size'...Well, that's unfair to those clubs that don't have big enough grounds, and if it is OK, why not set the minimum to 100K?
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They get more seats at the MCG than they would if the game was played on their home grounds.
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Great, give them more.
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There are other alternatives to this though
- GF winning teams state gets right to host the following year
- Award hosting to the state where the Mclelland Trophy winner for that year resides
- take bids for years to come
- rotate through host cities with venues of a given capacity (say 50k +)
etc etc
I like anything that maximises the chances of a GF being hosted by a team from the same state.
For example, in 2015, when the Dockers and Eagles finished 1st and 2nd. By scheduling the GF in Perth, you’re guaranteeing a derby GF being in Perth if results go that way. If you rotated it, you could end up with say, a showdown GF in Brisbane. Just wouldn’t be the same.
As such, I’d probably reward it to the minor premier. Makes finishing 1st actually mean something then.
Don’t know about Tasmania, though. A GF at a 20-25k stadium would be too small.
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Got to admit …
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If you're for equality, its got to be for all. No minimum requirements.
I maybe biased, but I love this thread.
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In regards to the MCG being the biggest stadium in the country, it’s guaranteed a huge amount of games, including finals and the grand final by the AFL. I’m not convinced that without that the MCG is so much bigger than any other football stadiums in the country. VFL Park was going to be bigger than the MCG and at it’s peak had room for 100’000 spectators. I doubt that it’s a coincidence that the premier that shut the VFL‘s plans down was a member of the MCC. 1/4 of the tickets go to MCC members FFS. The two competing clubs each get less than the MCC. Everyone should have a problem with that. The competing clubs don’t get more tickets for their own members because of the position the AFL has let the MCC put them in. It might suit the AFL to have the MCC put them in that positon but that is because of a clear vic bias.
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Whatever the method of deciding...(and I agree all of these are better than trying to work it out on ~6 days notice)
If you have no qualification on who gets to host, then you'll have the GF potentially played at grounds that are simply unfit to hold it ( GC, Tas, Geelong, etc.).
If you give it to a state, then clubs that don't play at the 'big ground' are still penalised. ( GC, GWS, the teams that play at docklands, Geelong ). If the big ground only hosts one team (Bris, Syd, Tas), then a number of potential GF opponents wont get to play on the ground that year (and given the vagaries of the AFL fixture, potentially wont have been there for a number of years).
Similar to if you make it a minimum size to qualify, but also will Tas not get the right to potential home grand finals while other clubs/states do?
My point is that there will always be issues/limitations/unfairness in the GF location. Given that, and that we have one ground that is substantially larger than any other option, we might as well accept that it's the best of a bunch of bad choices and play it there.
Yep, that is what the AFL wanted...MCG BLOCKBUSTERS.
The MCG was hosting 100k+ people back in the 1950s...a lil event called the Olympics had something to do with that.
The MCC took on the debt to upgrade the stadium, members fees are paying for the people to enjoy the ground.
Without the MCC funding the upgrade to the stadium, the game might be stuck at the GABBA and less than 10k club members would get a chance to see their team play in a GF....compared to 17k at the G, and thousands more fans get the opportunity they just have to buy a corporate ticket with a breakfast thrown in.
GFs in ALL Australian Rules Footy comps have always been at the biggest venue available to the league....this has always shafted the regional teams and favoured the major population hubs that have the infrastructure and larger stadiums.
SA, NSW and WA football fans now get to see their team play in a GF at the MCG in front of 100k people...a much bigger event than any of their old local leagues put on.
If they dont want the big event and 100k GF, nothing stopping them going back and supporting a local team like Southport, East Fremantle or Port Magpies and watching the local games at venues like Alberton and enjoying the local GF in front of 10-15k.
But do local Aussie Rules comps play GFs at "highest ranked teams ground", do they "rotate" so each club hosts the GF...or do they just play the GF at the ground that has best facilities to accomodate most paying spectators to make $$ for the league?
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