Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[blue harvest]

In the 18 team era where there has been an equal split, vic clubs have made finals 58 times. Non vic clubs 43 times. So in that time vic clubs made the 8 over 25% more of the time.

Equal split?
And how can 101 teams make finals in a top 8 system?

 

[Elixuh]

Equal split?
And how can 101 teams make finals in a top 8 system?

My modelling allows for a variance of 5. Please don’t ask any further questions.

 

[Obeanie1]

If it is such an advantage to Vic teams, why have there been so few Vic vs Vic team GFs? What was GWS's advantage to make that GF?

Years of academy access added to trailing picks from trading out players from AFL priority picks.

Only having a 1 hour flight to Melbourne.

 

[Checksider]

Yep, between Rounds 17 and 24 Collingwood leave Victoria once.

So 8 rounds, they play 7 of them in Victoria in the lead up to the finals.

Seems to always be in the lead up to finals every year that the “Big Vic” clubs get this run of games in Melbourne.

Must just be a coincidence though…

 

[Checksider]

1. Packing
2. Getting to the airport
3. Checking in through security
4. Getting on the plane
5. Flying
6. Getting off the plane
7. Getting your luggage
8. Going to the hotel and checking in

All things that Collingwood players have heard rumours about other teams having to do every second week.

 

[Captivating]

25 or 20? But they don’t make finals as often as vic teams which is what you said. Vic teams have made finals 25% of the time more during the 18 club era

It's 25% more.

There is more Vic clubs, so of course, more Vic clubs will make finals

As I showed earlier.

Non Vic 3 - 4 of them make finals every year
Vic clubs 4 - 5 of them make finals

Which is as close as you can get to the 10 - 8 split.

 

[Elixuh]

It's 25% more.

There is more Vic clubs, so of course, more Vic clubs will make finals

As I showed earlier.

Non Vic 3 - 4 of them make finals every year
Vic clubs 4 - 5 of them make finals

Which is as close as you can get to the 10 - 8 split.

Mmm interesting. So more vic clubs equals more vfl finals equals more vic bias. Does that mean we need to relocate some vic clubs to even it out? I think that’s what you’re arguing yes?

 

[JackOutback]

But that stats don't support this disadvantage. Non Vic teams make finals as often as Vic teams.

It’s impossible to know how much better an interstate team has to be to overcome the travel disadvantage. If the Eagles team of the 90s had Collingwood’s itinerary, they would have won more than two flags. The interstate team that finishes second might be better than the premier if the travel (and MCG GF) factors were reversed.

 

[btdg]

There have been 104 finals spots in the 18 team era.

Vic clubs = 58 slots = 56%.of finals slots
Vic clubs make up 56% (10/18) of the competiton

That's ridiculously close to parity. In fact, you would expect Vic teams to be slightly ahead because the expansion franchises were so weak to start with (and GC have never made finals).

 

[Papa G]

There have been 104 finals spots in the 18 team era.

Vic clubs = 58 slots = 56%.of finals slots
Vic clubs make up 56% (10/18) of the competiton

That's ridiculously close to parity. In fact, you would expect Vic teams to be slightly ahead because the expansion franchises were so weak to start with (and GC have never made finals).

And since the Royal Commission there have been 15 Victorian Premiers to 2 Non Victorian. That is ridiculously close to absolute disparity.

 

[Farang83150]

There have been 104 finals spots in the 18 team era.

Vic clubs = 58 slots = 56%.of finals slots
Vic clubs make up 56% (10/18) of the competiton

That's ridiculously close to parity. In fact, you would expect Vic teams to be slightly ahead because the expansion franchises were so weak to start with (and GC have never made finals).

Obviously impossible but imagine what it might be without travel!

 

[Spirit Level]

Even the AFL are calling us "interstate teams" now.

If you needed definitive proof that this is still the VFL, here it is:

 

[Captivating]

Mmm interesting. So more vic clubs equals more vfl finals equals more vic bias. Does that mean we need to relocate some vic clubs to even it out? I think that’s what you’re arguing yes?

You keep fishing for something that doesn't exist.

If an employer has 10% indigenous employees, then it should aim for 10% in management positions. Not to have 50% indigenous and 50% not indigenous. Otherwise, it would be indigenous biased.

 

[Captivating]

It’s impossible to know how much better an interstate team has to be to overcome the travel disadvantage. If the Eagles team of the 90s had Collingwood’s itinerary, they would have won more than two flags. The interstate team that finishes second might be better than the premier if the travel (and MCG GF) factors were reversed.

A I have said before, it must be nice to face a team that has to travel interstate to play on your home ground. WCE is proving this year how big of an advantage that is.

 

[Elixuh]

You keep fishing for something that doesn't exist.

If an employer has 10% indigenous employees, then it should aim for 10% in management positions. Not to have 50% indigenous and 50% not indigenous. Otherwise, it would be indigenous biased.

But I already have a big salmon on my line

 

[Captivating]

Obviously impossible but imagine what it might be without travel!

I know exactly what it would be like without travel.

There would be a 10 team VFL competition.

 

[Captivating]

But I already have a big salmon on my line

You think you're clever, but you didn't know that 10 is 25% more than 8.

 

[oak79]

And since the Royal Commission there have been 15 Victorian Premiers to 2 Non Victorian. That is ridiculously close to absolute disparity.

Captivating ... why are you ignoring this stat? Since premierships are the most important thing in football, this is the most telling stat

 

[Elixuh]

You think you're clever, but you didn't know that 10 is 25% more than 8.

The store I work at uses an automatic register which tells me how much change to give out so I don’t have to do maths anymore. Not needed in 2024.

 

[btdg]

And since the Royal Commission there have been 15 Victorian Premiers to 2 Non Victorian. That is ridiculously close to absolute disparity.

What Royal Commission? This is an imaginary thing that did not happen

 

[Outtatym]

So Hardwick just came out and slammed the Vics who are arguing about travel not being an issue. And that WA teams getting a couple more business class seats is unfair.

To the point they should be named and shamed per Hardwick.

And as this has also been pointed out until you experience it you really dont know. Not that people who fly regularly dont know anyway.

Amazing how when you 'walk a mile in someone else's shoes' your perspective changes.

Just amazing.

Dimma only cares about dimma.

This is the same bloke that complained multiple times about going to a stadium 20 minutes down the road.

 

[Farang83150]

I know exactly what it would be like without travel.

There would be a 10 team VFL competition.

Yeah.... viable

 

[THE EQUALIZER]

Every Victorian team should be travelling 7 times a season to level the playing field a little more.

If we go to 24 games, I'm content with non-Victorian teams having 12 home games and Victorian teams having 11.

St.Kilda, Melbourne and North can rotate having 12 as well.

 

[doppleganger]

It’s impossible to know how much better an interstate team has to be to overcome the travel disadvantage. If the Eagles team of the 90s had Collingwood’s itinerary, they would have won more than two flags. The interstate team that finishes second might be better than the premier if the travel (and MCG GF) factors were reversed.

Nah, the Eagles complained that playing a Derby in the last round was too taxing.

Eagles couldnt cope playing a local rival every second week.

 

[Jez1974]

Nah, the Eagles complained that playing a Derby in the last round was too taxing.

Eagles couldnt cope playing a local rival every second week.

What the friar tuck!!