Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[greatwhiteshark]

Yep exactly.
I can't get my head around a lot on here that just despise the AFL, yet still follow it, many think it's corrupt.

There are still state leagues, there are regional leagues, they still play footy in these leagues and they are ok to watch.

If I was that disgruntled with this league, I was just watch something else.

I’m lucky mate as I am addicted to golf so Saturdays are golf for me and of course my beloved West Perth.
Still think you can be disgruntled with the league and still support it, I mean look how many rule changes there have been and most of them not required. I am upset with that. Nothing I can do about it but it really annoys me what they did to our game. Like you said though I am no longer their target audience. Their target audience are the new generation that are used to change all the time.
Such is life, still some great games and great contests and that keeps some interest. Do like watching you guys play , always an exciting brand.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Yeah they were. Coaches changed the game. Lots of complaints about it. AFL have tried to open it and make it more positional again.

Fans were not calling for rucks to nominate, they were not calling for no third man up, they were not calling for 10m zone, they were not calling for the full back to be allowed to run out 30m to kick the ball back in, they were not calling for the deliberate lack of intent rule, they were not calling for the ball player to be penalised, they weee not calling for head high contact to now be legal. Could go on an on mate.
You don’t have to agree but the fans were not demanding these things to even be looked at.

 

[Checksider]

Every Victorian team should be travelling 7 times a season to level the playing field a little more.

If we go to 24 games, I'm content with non-Victorian teams having 12 home games and Victorian teams having 11.

St.Kilda, Melbourne and North can rotate having 12 as well.

Great idea, but the whining would be unbelievable.

 

[Checksider]

Yep exactly.
I can't get my head around a lot on here that just despise the AFL, yet still follow it, many think it's corrupt.

There are still state leagues, there are regional leagues, they still play footy in these leagues and they are ok to watch.

If I was that disgruntled with this league, I was just watch something else.

Love my club, love the game, hate the administration, hope for better one day.

 

[go_the_dockers]

No surprises, 5 Vic players

 

[doppleganger]

I agree with that, game should start here at 7.10pm.

If the game was about the fans then 90% of the rule changes the last 20 years would not of happened.

The majority of AFL fans are from east coast of Australia.

Absolute madness to think scheduling a game for the majority of AFL fans to start at 9:10pm is a good idea.

Friday night footy is a TV event for the east coast market.

If WA fans want a Friday night game to start at 7:10 WA time, it would have to be a secondary game just for foxtel after the national telecast game that fills the C7 FTA slot for the east coast.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The majority of AFL fans are from east coast of Australia.

Absolute madness to think scheduling a game for the majority of AFL fans to start at 9:10pm is a good idea.

Friday night footy is a TV event for the east coast market.

If WA fans want a Friday night game to start at 7:10 WA time, it would have to be a secondary game just for foxtel after the national telecast game that fills the C7 FTA slot for the east coast.

So what you are saying is that world sports like Golf, Tennis, Cricket are out of reach for the Eastern States as it’s on to late.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The majority of AFL fans are from east coast of Australia.

Absolute madness to think scheduling a game for the majority of AFL fans to start at 9:10pm is a good idea.

Friday night footy is a TV event for the east coast market.

If WA fans want a Friday night game to start at 7:10 WA time, it would have to be a secondary game just for foxtel after the national telecast game that fills the C7 FTA slot for the east coast.

In what world is a 9pm game late? Bloody strange those eastern staters

 

[MrPenguin]

Wonder if Collingwood get business class for the 2 times they leave Vic each year? Makes you wonder..

 

[Lockyer24]

Wonder if Collingwood get business class for the 2 times they leave Vic each year? Makes you wonder..

West Coast get how many teams have to fly in a plane for 4 hours to play them every year?

We only get two at best.

If you want bias look up the Eagles historical home ground free kick stats, it would make Joel Selwood blush with the charity they’ve received. Give me that any day over any VIC Bias

 

[Lockyer24]

Wonder if Collingwood get business class for the 2 times they leave Vic each year? Makes you wonder..

West Coast get how many teams have to fly in a plane for 4 hours to play them every year?

We only get two at best.

If you want bias look up the Eagles historical home ground free kick stats, it would make Joel Selwood blush with the charity they’ve received. Give me that any day over any VIC Bias

 

[doppleganger]

In what world is a 9pm game late? Bloody strange those eastern staters

A game finishing at midnight is late.

Pretty common sense.

 

[MrPenguin]

West Coast get how many teams have to fly in a plane for 4 hours to play them every year?

We only get two at best.

If you want bias look up the Eagles historical home ground free kick stats, it would make Joel Selwood blush with the charity they’ve received. Give me that any day over any VIC Bias

Not sure why you are getting so defensive? I ask the question in the hope that the AFL is taking DVT into consideration for Collingwood and other Victorian teams. It's a serious and real health issue.

Studies show that DVT can occur quickly and without warning. Teams from QLD and WA can spot the signs. If the AFL is serious about VIC player welfare I'd like to see more done in this important area.

 

[Forward Press]

So what you are saying is that world sports like Golf, Tennis, Cricket are out of reach for the Eastern States as it’s on to late.

Poor argument.

You already even used the phrase 'world sports' so you already know why it's poor. UTC +10 is unimportant for sports with a global reach but the most important for Australian sports.

The 6:10 bouncedown in WA is necessary for maximum $$$.

 

[Freomaniac]

In 2015 the Hawks travelled interstate the same number of times as the Eagles and one more than Freo, beat both in finals and beat both at Subi.

Hawks had a better side than freo in 2013-5.

Hawks were practically full strength in that 2015 prelim final. Freo were faltering and had no forward depth outside their best 25.

That explained the 15.4.94 to 10.7.67 hawks win over freo in that 2015 prelim.

Hawks 4 behinds were all Rushed. Yep, Hawks were 15 from 15 in set shots.

 

[Countryfooty1]

I didn't think you could answer the question.

You do know to win a brownlow, you need to be at your peak for a whole year, 11 players have won brownlows from the teams that travel the most.

That number is too large, it's shows that it's not as taxing as many believe.

The extra travel is cumulative over a career. There's a reason that most of the players that have played 350 plus (even if we only count AFL players) have played for Victorian clubs. It's well documented that additional travel means on average shorter careers for players of WA teams.

As for the brownlow argument, WA teams tend to win most of their home games and thus most of the brownlow votes for games in WA. When a team is winning, it's generally because their good players are playing well. This combined with the other fact means that the good players of WA teams get plenty of votes in WA. A better measure to judge the affect travel has is the age players were when they retired and the length of their careers.

It's no secret that WA teams have the disadvantage of more travel which shows in shorter career spans of their players. However to suggest that WA teams should get additional games in WA because of it is ludicrous. There have been more sides from WA that have made finals or finished higher than they should have purely by maximising their home ground advantage. Fremantle under Ross Lyon were the experts at this

 

[doppleganger]

Poor argument.

You already even used the phrase 'world sports' so you already know why it's poor. UTC +10 is unimportant for sports with a global reach but the most important for Australian sports.

The 6:10 bouncedown in WA is necessary for maximum $$$.

It really shouldn't be hard to follow.

The majority of the AFL fan base lives on the East Coast, that is the market.

The national Friday night footy game is about having footy pumped in live to the main TV market, so fans will watch.

C7 dont want nothing happening at 7:30 or 8:30 in their major markets, and a game finishing at midnight and seeing numbers dwindle in just a ridiculous idea.

World sports dont rely on Australian TV deals and fans for majority of their revenue, the AFL does.

 

[garlic munchers]

West Coast get how many teams have to fly in a plane for 4 hours to play them every year?

We only get two at best.

If you want bias look up the Eagles historical home ground free kick stats, it would make Joel Selwood blush with the charity they’ve received. Give me that any day over any VIC Bias

So you would take a free kick bias at home, on the condition that you have to travel away every 2nd week (apart from 1 derby against say Carlton) and if make the GF, you have to fly to WA and play it?

Think you might be telling porkies or you would be the worlds dumbest club administrator.

 

[doppleganger]

The extra travel is cumulative over a career. There's a reason that most of the players that have played 350 plus (even if we only count AFL players) have played for Victorian clubs. It's well documented that additional travel means on average shorter careers for players of WA teams.

There has been 103 players get to 300 V/AFL games and 24 get to 350.

But no point including players who debuted from pre 1987, as they were only Vic players, so can knock off 39 of the old timers.

Left with 64 300 gamers, and 16 350 gamers.

29 of the 64 (45%) and 8 of the 16 (50%) played significant footy for non-vic teams.

Fremantle themselves have two 350 gamers (Pav n Mundy).

And when you consider that even today non-vic teams make up 45% of clubs (and back in 1990 they were only 21%) the line that travel shortens careers just doesnt really get supported by numbers.

People accept that travel is a disadvantage, but claims that it shortens AFL careers aren't really back up with any actual documentation or stats directly linked to shortening careers.

A better measure to judge the affect travel has is the age players were when they retired and the length of their careers.

I agree.

WC have had 28 different blokes play 200 games for WC since they entered the league.

Collingwood, the team who never travels, have had 20 different blokes play 200 games for Collingwood since WC entered the league.

I think Mick Malthouse and Trevor Nisbett were onto something, local derbies are more taxing on players.

However to suggest that WA teams should get additional games in WA because of it is ludicrous. There have been more sides from WA that have made finals or finished higher than they should have purely by maximising their home ground advantage.

Having their away disadvantage reduced also helps!

 

[Freomaniac]

Vic Bias on full show tonight.

Umpire kicks a goal for fremantle because the wrong person gave him the ball.

what a hecking load of s**t

No issues with the grand finals results from 2007 to 2023? Only 2 Non Vic sides won a flag, swans in 2012 and eagles in 2018.

Hawks won flags in 2008 and 2013-5.

So hawks have won more flags than all 8 Victorian clubs

 

[Chronz]

I was just talking about the worst free kick ever tonight when the umpire gave fremantle a goal because the wrong player nicely passed him the ball.

You seemed to have gone off on same ramble about Hawthorn. I can't help you with your trauma about hawthorn being the best side back in those days. If hawthorn were given free goals like tonights then yes that is disgusting, and they didn´t deserve those flags.

Imagine anyone for a second even defending that free kick. If the game has come to that, we are in trouble. Watch The AFL not sack that prick and defend him.

Worst s**t I have seen.

Nicholls should be ghosted to the country auskick leagues. Hideous worm of a campaigner.

 

[Countryfooty1]

Fans were not calling for rucks to nominate, they were not calling for no third man up, they were not calling for 10m zone, they were not calling for the full back to be allowed to run out 30m to kick the ball back in, they were not calling for the deliberate lack of intent rule, they were not calling for the ball player to be penalised, they weee not calling for head high contact to now be legal. Could go on an on mate.
You don’t have to agree but the fans were not demanding these things to even be looked at.

The deliberate / lack of intent rule is an overreaction due to how gutless the AFL umpires were for paying deliberate out of bounds in the 15 years beforehand. The umpires were paying it about 1 out of every 150 it should have been under the rule. It was being paid so little the rule is a joke.

I remember a close Adelaide vs Richmond game at Adelaide Oval where Walker picked up the ball just inside the boundary line, looked at the Richmond defender, looked at the umpire then turned around and handballed the ball out of bounds for no free. A wet game in Gold Coast against Port where Gold Coast's tactic every time they got the ball for the first 3 1/2 quarters in a contest was to kick the ball 50 metres to the boundary line with not a player within 20 minutes. It happened about 50 times and not once was a free paid. There were also a couple of close prelims around 2010-2012 with contentious non deliberate calls. I think 1 of them was Chris Tarrant against Hawthorn but I could be wrong.

I agree the AFL have overreacted, however they needed to change something as the rule was fast becoming a joke.

 

[SC_Power]

I was just talking about the worst free kick ever tonight when the umpire gave fremantle a goal because the wrong player nicely passed him the ball.

You seemed to have gone off on same ramble about Hawthorn. I can't help you with your trauma about hawthorn being the best side back in those days. If hawthorn were given free goals like tonights then yes that is disgusting, and they didn´t deserve those flags.

Imagine anyone for a second even defending that free kick. If the game has come to that, we are in trouble. Watch The AFL not sack that prick and defend him.

Worst s**t I have seen.

Yep, even though it’s one of the oldest rules, has been paid before and was paid earlier in the game, yes it’s one of the worst free kicks.

Even though it’s there to stop time wasting and the intent of the Collingwood player was to waste time in a close game, yes it’s one of the worst free kicks.

It’s right up there with foot faulting Serena Williams on a second serve match point against in a Grand Slam, or not paying a sack against Manning on the Helmet Catch play when the Giants denied the Patriots a perfect season. The umpire shouldn’t pay free kicks in a close game unless it’s an obvious 100% football act free kick not a technical one, because it’s close and technical free kicks shouldn’t be paid.

 

[Checksider]

Not sure why you are getting so defensive? I ask the question in the hope that the AFL is taking DVT into consideration for Collingwood and other Victorian teams. It's a serious and real health issue.

Studies show that DVT can occur quickly and without warning. Teams from QLD and WA can spot the signs. If the AFL is serious about VIC player welfare I'd like to see more done in this important area.

They’re very serious about Vic players welfare. Once they find out about DVT there’ll be no more interstate travel for the “big four” clubs.

 

[doppleganger]

Are you really stupid enough to believe jumping on a plane 24 x a year and flying 60,000 plus kms doesn't affect recover and training.

24 times now...

Of course it would affect recovery and training. The point is smart clubs would tailor recovery and training based on their unique fixture in an attempt to optimise performance...it isnt a one size fits all.

All that time spent in the air, a good opportunity to get players to do opposition analysis, indivudal coaching video review sessions etc.

You will always get to play a grand final at home.

Currently yes.
I am all for abolishing AFL members, and giving more tickets to competing team clubs members.

Also dont mind the idea that the "higher ranked" qualifier gets a greater share of those tickets also. The only kicker with that is the AFL needs to then ensure finals system actually ranks who the best team is, as currently week2,week3 and week4 dont do this.

All games in Melbourne the magpies can almost expect a crowd majority.
And good for you

Yep agree, but it is slim.

This is the AFL wish, they want BLOCKBUSTERS at the G with 80k fans, and BOTH sets of fans rocking up.

If you have 50k Pies and 30k Dees, both teams have vocal support and the usual home advantage crowd impact is watered down.

There were bigger advantages back at the old suburban grounds, 95% Pies fans at VicParl, 95% Saints fans at Moorabbin..that was an intimidating environment for opposition players (and the umpires).

But back the heck up if you think interstate teams don't get shafted.

Apart from travelling further, which only applies to WA teams they really dont.

SA teams get 13 games in Adelaide, 11 with a genuine home ground advantage. This shits over anything a Melbourne based club gets.

Minimising short breaks is bare minimum.

Yep, it is why West Coast are one team who isnt given a 5 day break.

The AFL is already looking after WA teams with the FIXturing.

Another team in perth would be appropriate.

Why?

A better solution to reduce travel would be to relocate teams from Perth to the east coast.