victoria's new P-plate laws

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mr_cellotape said:
So young people driving cars that exceed the 'power' (for lack of a better term) limit would put their visible P-plates onto said car before driving it? Riiiiight.
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You're right but do you know what the consequences would be ?

The first time some idiot P-Plater who hoons around in a high powered car without wearing his P-Plates goes and kils someone, there will be an immediate uproar with the result most likely being greater penalties for not displaying P-Plates.

Al lot of you young people just don't understand about consequences. Predictably its all about 'you.'

If we didn't see kids roaring around with 4 or more passengers causing accidents/deaths, this legislation would never have been thought of. Thats the sad fact of it.
 
Daytripper said:
You're right but do you know what the consequences would be ?

The first time some idiot P-Plater who hoons around in a high powered car without wearing his P-Plates goes and kils someone, there will be an immediate uproar with the result most likely being greater penalties for not displaying P-Plates.

Al lot of you young people just don't understand about consequences. Predictably its all about 'you.'

If we didn't see kids roaring around with 4 or more passengers causing accidents/deaths, this legislation would never have been thought of. Thats the sad fact of it.
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Yes, but you can't enforce that without pulling over high-powered cars without p-plates up. Unless its after a crash, in which case its too late.
 

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Underdog said:
Stop being condescending - I am well and truely off my P-plates
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It wasn't directed at you specifically.

However my point stands. Too many young drivers out there just don't think about other drivers and their responsibilities of using a shared road.

Its all about 'them' and what they can get away with.

I don't need people like that driving alongside me.
 
I'm a P-Plater, who, touch wood, has never a speeding ticket, never been pulled up for more than random breath tests or anything like that. I drive a VL Commodore that has some real power but is within the law and I have never been in an accident.

I see stupid drivers who are on their P's, not on their P's and really old. It's not your age which determines how you drive, it's your attitude on the road.

Stupid, unreasonable and ill-though out laws.
 
Daytripper said:
You're right but do you know what the consequences would be ?

The first time some idiot P-Plater who hoons around in a high powered car without wearing his P-Plates goes and kils someone, there will be an immediate uproar with the result most likely being greater penalties for not displaying P-Plates.
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Yep. Us Aussies are great at ridiculously disproportionate reactions to horrible events.

Al lot of you young people just don't understand about consequences. Predictably its all about 'you.'
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Dunno where this "you" stuff is coming from. I'm outside of the 16-25 bracket; no speeding fines, no speed cameras, no accidents, no DUIs. To think that I wouldn't have been allowed to drive because of some laws that are intended to stop a minute number of people is ridiculous. I wasn't part of the problem, so leave me - and those like me i.e. innocent and law-abiding - alone.

If we didn't see kids roaring around with 4 or more passengers causing accidents/deaths, this legislation would never have been thought of. Thats the sad fact of it.
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What's sad is people using such incidents as an excuse to take away the ability of young people to drive the family car (with the parents' consent, of course), or to transport themselves and their friends around the place. If dozens of kids were dying every day from road accidents caused by P-plate drivers, I'd consider reevaluating. Considering that these tragedies are relatively infrequent, I just don't see the point.
 
You see a similar amount of parents with kids in cars dying as P-Platers with friends. Complete patch up job from the government that will backfire.
 
If we are against restrictions then where do u draw the line?

I could use the example that growing up on a farm, I could drive better than most 20 year olds at 15 so why should I be punished not being able to drive on the roads just because some other 15 year olds aren't skillful enough to? I am also responsible, never had a speeding, drink etc fine either...

And whilst I agree that this passenger restriction is a silly idea, a power restriction may just curb that macho element brainless penis extension that these hoons types have.

I also hate any policy that "keeps the entire class in a lunchtime because of one bad kid" to use that analogy, but why does anyone (let alone a P plater) need 185kW+ under the hood of a sedan? I don't see everyone towing caravans...
 
ripitup27 said:
I'm a P-Plater, who, touch wood, has never a speeding ticket, never been pulled up for more than random breath tests or anything like that. I drive a VL Commodore that has some real power but is within the law and I have never been in an accident.

I see stupid drivers who are on their P's, not on their P's and really old. It's not your age which determines how you drive, it's your attitude on the road.

Stupid, unreasonable and ill-though out laws.
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One of the simple realities is that young drivers are not as good as older ones. Why do you think insurance companies whack bigger excesses on them? Go have a look at the rates of death and injury on the roads for 18-24 year olds and compare it to other drivers, then tell me that all age groups are equally good drivers.

It seems simple to me - reduce the incentive to drive badly, increase the incentive to drive well, and see how it goes.

mr_cellotape said:
No you're not. Your absurd 'OMG teh young drivers!!11111" hysteria demonstrates that.
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Not at all, I want to keep all bad drivers off the road, young or not. The fact that younger drivers make up a much higher proportion of bad drivers than their elders is inconsequential - except that it means more young people would be impacted.

To suggest that it's targeting young people to say they should prove capability in lesser models of car before gaining access to more powerful models is ingenuous at best - I want everyone to prove their abilities, but until you've had your licence for a while you can't do that.

mr_cellotape said:
Cool, so you admit you're a wowser who wants to keep those scary younguns off the road, with no regard for those who do nothing wrong.
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I want to keep all knobs off the road. And if they have to be on the road, I want them driving the least powerful vehicles they can get behind the wheel of. Young or old. If you want to be in denial about the fact that young drivers are provably worse drivers than their elders, be my guest. Experience and maturity make a difference.
 

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Magnum said:
I also hate any policy that "keeps the entire class in a lunchtime because of one bad kid" to use that analogy, but why does anyone (let alone a P plater) need 185kW+ under the hood of a sedan? I don't see everyone towing caravans...
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Because it's supposedly a free country? Because driving a powerful car does not necessarily mean you're dangerous (or more dangerous than others on the road)?
 
mr_cellotape said:
That's bloody hilarious. Apply that to any of the other laws and you'll understand how stupid that statement is.



Oh yeah I'd love to see everybody who drives a car with a big engine getting pulled over on the off chance that the driver is under the age restriction. I can't see any possible way that this would waste police time and inconvenience innocent poeple :rolleyes:
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Hypothetically if a vehicle restriction was implemented I cannot see how the police could not enforce it, I wasnt applying it to any other law.

It is an idea, of course it has holes in it as such does passenger restriction laws. However I have not seen one suggestion from yourself as how this problem can be tackled?

Why do P platers given their relative inexperience in driving need to drive such powerful cars? What is the problem in waiting until they get more experience before handling cars that are capable of much higher speeds?

Compare it to alcohol, by law P platers are not allowed to drink or have any alcohol in their system however once you have earnt your full licence there is a limit to having 0.5. Is this not because of you have 3 years experience under your belt and therefore most likely able to handle it?
 
schwab2clarkson said:
You seriously don't get what I mean.

Most of the accidents are caused from P-platers doing stupid things because they are on the road by themselves. So some more lessons should be issued to every P-plate driver.
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Why not extend the L-plate process then? Besides, the problem is the people behind the wheel, not their skill level (although they may think they are better than they are). Anyone can pretend to be a safe driver for X hours until they're on their own. Hoons are passing driving tests after all.
 
mr_cellotape said:
Oh well that little zinger completely tore apart my argument. Well done :rolleyes:

If you decide to actually argue the issue like the adult that you profess to be, have at it.
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No point anymore as I'm just banging my head against the wall.

I think Mr Q summed it up pretty well anyway.
 
Can people not see that more P-Platers on the road means more accidents? Instead of having five people in one car you have five in five cars.

Simply, more cars on the road means a greater chance of accidents.

Won't somebody please think of the children?
 
ripitup27 said:
Can people not see that more P-Platers on the road means more accidents? Instead of having five people in one car you have five in five cars.

Simply, more cars on the road means a greater chance of accidents.

Won't somebody please think of the children?
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You're not actually suggesting that well-intentioned nanny-state policies may have unintended negative consequences, are you?!
 
ripitup27 said:
Can people not see that more P-Platers on the road means more accidents? Instead of having five people in one car you have five in five cars.

Simply, more cars on the road means a greater chance of accidents.

Won't somebody please think of the children?
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I would bet any amount of money that there will be less fatal crashes involving P-Platers once this law comes in compared to years when it wasn't.
 
Daytripper said:
I would bet any amount of money that there will be less fatal crashes involving P-Platers once this law comes in compared to years when it wasn't.
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I wouldnt be so sure about that. I think it could increase the risk of P platers driving after having a few because they wont be able to ride home with mates. There are a lot of responsible P platers who go out in groups and take turns in laying off the booze and driving, myself and my mates used to do it all the time because none of us could be arsed getting public transport home (which is impossible in the later hours) and taxi's were too expensive.
 
Bosun said:
I wouldnt be so sure about that. I think it could increase the risk of P platers driving after having a few because they wont be able to ride home with mates. There are a lot of responsible P platers who go out in groups and take turns in laying off the booze and driving, myself and my mates used to do it all the time because none of us could be arsed getting public transport home (which is impossible in the later hours) and taxi's were too expensive.
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I disagree.
 

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