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MRP / Trib. Vs Essendon
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Cousin Jed
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Sorry to intrude......I couldnt find anything on the main board.
In short.....they are both in trouble.
Merrett is looking at 3 or 4 weeks (pre early plee) I would suggest - depending on his record.
He had both his arms pinned, and Hurley head hit the ground pretty hard.
The key will be if the MRP deem the sling to be a second motion, and after looking at the footage a few times, I think the slinging motion will be construed as a second motion.
Clarke will get charged with Charging or Rough Conduct......I suspect charging
Maybe 2 weeks after early plee......because he was so late, it is hard to justify that he had intent for the ball. I dont think there was any high contact, but certainly it was a high impact collision.
Not sure if they are the answers you want to hear, but I suspect that might be the reality of the situation.
Time will tell on Monday I guess.
Otherwise, a good win today for the Lions over the Essendon pretenders.
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Thanks,but just to know where we stand,how have your predictions with MRP faired in the past ?
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Watch the footage again dude. Hurley has his left arm free for most of the tackle, he just doesn't get it down in time.
I can't see where you get your second action from either, Merrett grabs him and turns (he has little choice when he is behind him), if he lets go of him early he throws him into the barrier at the edge of the field. If he doesn't turn him then it's not a tackle and it doesn't stop him from disposing. If he grabs him and pushes it's in the back.
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. It's not a sling tackle because he doesn't hold both arms and throw him to the ground (one arm is clearly free), and the tackled player isn't holding the ball, so his hands a free to brace his fall. He just doesn't.
I think he'll get some loading from a poor record that will push it to 2 weeks. If he gets anything.
Clarke.. is a very very slightly late hit that still landed before the marking player had fully taken control of the ball or stopped his momentum. It wasn't high, but he wasn't making an attempt to mark the ball. That said, the mark hadn't been called when he was hit, so the ball was still in contest. I reckon he'll get 1 week that he can mitigate with an early plea.
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Yeah I've got to agree.
Merret looks worse for me, I honestly didn't think Clarke was that late, but the consensus elsewhere seems to be that he arrived about 20 mins after the ball.
The MRP isnt called chook lotto for nothing, so you can never be to sure.
Let me know how I go on Monday afternoon
But generally speaking not to bad.
I have about 10 years experience as an umpire - mostly district cricket so I like to think I am fair.
I am not going to argue with you on the Brisbane board......its not my place.
What I will say though is we all know the MRP tend to look at outcome moreso than what happened, so on that account, Merrett in particular may be in some trouble.
I am not on the MRP and I have no vested interest in the outcome....its just my opinion.
So we will see what comes of it on Monday.
Be sure to tell me all about it on Monday evening.....right or wrong.
Looks like Clarke dips his left shoulder slightly before impact which makes it look a little worse.
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Pinged for one,get off one I reckon.
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IMO.
Clarke: 1-2.
Merrett: Reprimand - 1.
Clarke: 1-2.
Merrett: Reprimand - 1.
Merrett I think might be in trouble, the MRP tends to weigh in the consequence of the action quite highly into their "decision making". If Hurley had been fine he would've received nothing (which Buddy tends to do every few weeks and gets away with it).
If he is sighted, I think he'll get 2-3 weeks after an early plea because he has the 94 points from last year hanging over him (Riewoldt incident). Something like negligent conduct, high impact, high contact = level 2 rough conduct = 325 + 94 (carry over) = 419 - 25% (early plea) = 314.25 points = 3 matches + 14 carry over. Seems harsh but the carry over points really hurt him. I think it'll be classed as high because of the concussion. This is not a reflection of what I think he should get by the way, because I think the MRP weighing the result way too highly when it comes to impact.
Really depends if the MRP considers it a double action or not.
Clarke also is in trouble I think, it was late and he turned his shoulder into it. For him I think it'd be something like negligent conduct (I don't think he intended to charge and hurt him), medium impact, body contact = level 1 charging = 125 points - 25% = 93.75 points = reprimand and 93.75 carry over points.
If he is sighted, I think he'll get 2-3 weeks after an early plea because he has the 94 points from last year hanging over him (Riewoldt incident). Something like negligent conduct, high impact, high contact = level 2 rough conduct = 325 + 94 (carry over) = 419 - 25% (early plea) = 314.25 points = 3 matches + 14 carry over. Seems harsh but the carry over points really hurt him. I think it'll be classed as high because of the concussion. This is not a reflection of what I think he should get by the way, because I think the MRP weighing the result way too highly when it comes to impact.
Really depends if the MRP considers it a double action or not.
Clarke also is in trouble I think, it was late and he turned his shoulder into it. For him I think it'd be something like negligent conduct (I don't think he intended to charge and hurt him), medium impact, body contact = level 1 charging = 125 points - 25% = 93.75 points = reprimand and 93.75 carry over points.
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I would think Clarke has more to worry about. It might not have been really late, but it was late, and he dropped the shoulder to bump him. I don't think the hard hit was that intentional, just a bit of inexperience from him, he went hard at the contest, and pushed himself to get there, realised too late that he wasn't going to get there soon enough, and had little other choice than to just turn, drop the arm and brace for impact. He had already committed to it before he realised he couldn't make a spoil attempt. As he had such a big run up, he had a bit of speed up, and it was a stationary target.
Merrett didn't drive Hurley into the ground, he did swing him around, but that was because he was near the boundary line. Ball came free, his arms were impeded by the tackle, but there weren't pinned to him, nor was it a driving action to the ground. I think Merrett actually starts letting go before contact with the ground. I think it was a sloppy tackle, but it isn't anything like the 'sling' tackles over the past few years.
I'd expect maybe 1 or 2 weeks for either incident, depending how it is viewed and early pleas, might only lose 1 of them for 1 week. Although, i'm in no way confident with that prediction with how random the MRP is. It is just as likely both get 4 weeks with the way they work.
Merrett didn't drive Hurley into the ground, he did swing him around, but that was because he was near the boundary line. Ball came free, his arms were impeded by the tackle, but there weren't pinned to him, nor was it a driving action to the ground. I think Merrett actually starts letting go before contact with the ground. I think it was a sloppy tackle, but it isn't anything like the 'sling' tackles over the past few years.
I'd expect maybe 1 or 2 weeks for either incident, depending how it is viewed and early pleas, might only lose 1 of them for 1 week. Although, i'm in no way confident with that prediction with how random the MRP is. It is just as likely both get 4 weeks with the way they work.
Merrett will be unlucky to get suspended. The tackle was under one motion, the hand was free and it was hardly a sling. Clarke will get a week imo. Was a bit late but when he raised his shoulder up that to me indicates he was going the man.
I would tend to agree, but I would err on the side of reckless rather than negligent.
And yes, Merrett's would be classified as High contact because Hurley hit his head.
For Merrett, the test will come down to whether they think it is a double action or not, and if the tackle was reasonable in the circumstances. If they deem the tackle to be a double action sling, then the reasonableness of the circumstances is probably null and void. So ultimately it will come down to if they consider it to be a double action IMO.
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Solid analysis and opinion. I think its a shame you have to feel hostility for giving your honest opinion on this board. Whether we agree or not is irrelevant - your argument makes logical sense and doesn't deserve to be brushed off that easily. Thanks for your insight.
Feel Clarke's hit was more a show of inexperience than malice. Was clearly late, but wasn't too sure how to 'take' the hit.
Agreed with the above, I think bumsonseats is pretty spot on with the analysis IMO.
That's what I said when I saw it, he didn't looky sure what to do when he got to the contest and Kavanagh had marked it.
He's done it in his first few games really well, run off his man and impact the contest. I really hope this doesn't stop him doing that.
That's what I said when I saw it, he didn't looky sure what to do when he got to the contest and Kavanagh had marked it.
He's done it in his first few games really well, run off his man and impact the contest. I really hope this doesn't stop him doing that.
Dermie uses the expression bums on seats, you are a Hawk and I can "hear" Dermie saying what you said!
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It is classified High contact because the negligant/reckless nature of the tackle cause the player to hit his head on the ground. The AFL tribunal handbook is pretty clear on this.
