Autopsy Vs North @ etihad- soon to be marvel sun 8/7 - Rd 16, 2018

[Peel67skin]

Exactly my point though. Schoenfeld is probably the fittest person on our list and he had negative meters gained.

Fittest do not mean smart footballer , Smart footballer do not mean they can get away with giving less effort, why Dawson been drop , I check his metre gain .

 

[GCStormie]

Lets examine how useless looking at meters gained in isolation is:
Hypothetical example:

Player A has one touch for the entire game, gets the ball 60m out from goal turns around and reaching for the extra distance kicks it out on the full = meters gained stat says +60. value to the team? negative (given his waste of space kept someone who may have been useful out of the team)

Player B, an inside midfielder has 20 touches, of which 18 are handballs which mostly hit teammates and put them in better positons, though some (say half) are backwards out of congestion. his two kicks are spot up kicks of around 15-20 mtrs hitting a leading forward lace out. meters gained ~+30? +40?

Without the meters gained stat, who would you say is the fittest? the better player?
Meters gained is a half back flanker/winger dominated stat.

On a side note, how good would it be if Player B actually played for the GCS.

 

[Fat Pizza]

Some people use statistics like a drunk uses a light post. For support rather than illumination.

Ben Brown ran 15km during last weekend's match, but I reckon nearly half of that was just in the run-ups for his shots at goal.

 

[Peel67skin]

Inside mid Metre gains last week
Tom Mitchell - 437
Lyons -408
Shey - 574
Cognilio -398 .
Pendlebury - 431
Heppell - 528
Clayton Oliver -398.
Tom Rockliff-514
Dayne Beams 510
Zorko -545

 

[Jirik13]

Inside mid Metre gains last week
Tom Mitchell - 437
Lyons -408
Shey - 574
Cognilio -398 .
Pendlebury - 431
Heppell - 528
Clayton Oliver -398.

Could you tell me how many meters Weller had? Thanks.

 

[Peel67skin]

Could you tell me how many meters Weller had? Thanks.

506 . All I am saying is if your Meter gained bad your disposal get will get affected .check those players with 15 disposal or less players Metre gain and compare with those above 20+
You can get your ball in midfield but if your ball is not going forward , that mean you are wasting your disposal .

 

[Mini GF]

Some people use statistics like a drunk uses a light post. For support rather than illumination.

Ben Brown ran 15km during last weekend's match, but I reckon nearly half of that was just in the run-ups for his shots at goal.

There are lies, damned lies and statistics

Mark Twain

 

[Peel67skin]

There are lies, damned lies and statistics

Mark Twain

Is not a lie , check those star inside mid number you either running Infront or you kicking sideway or backward .

 

[GCStormie]

Inside mid Metre gains last week
Tom Mitchell - 437
Lyons -408
Shey - 574
Cognilio -398 .
Pendlebury - 431
Heppell - 528
Clayton Oliver -398.

i think you're focusing on the wrong part of my post. I wasn't saying that inside mids will have low metres gained. (though they will on a metres gained per possession basis), I was saying that metres gained tells you pretty much nothing about how valuable a particular player was to the team on a particular day. for example that game a few weeks back where Ah Chee had all the clangers. (was it against Port?) anyway, if i remember correctly they were mostly long kicks that were going awry. so his metres gained would have looked great. effectiveness however... trash

 

[Peel67skin]

i think you're focusing on the wrong part of my post. I wasn't saying that inside mids will have low metres gained. (though they will on a metres gained per possession basis), I was saying that metres gained tells you pretty much nothing about how valuable a particular player was to the team on a particular day. for example that game a few weeks back where Ah Chee had all the clangers. (was it against Port?) anyway, if i remember correctly they were mostly long kicks that were going awry. so his metres gained would have looked great. effectiveness however... trash

You gave me an example with opposition Stats Meter gains that are lower that Ah Chee .

 

[GCStormie]

506 . All I am saying is if your Meter gained bad your disposal get will get affected .check those players with 15 disposal or less players Metre gain and compare with those above 20+
You can get your ball in midfield but if your ball is not going forward , that mean you are wasting your disposal .

that sounds like the legendary 'dont kick it backwards' commonly yelled by old men in the grandstands

 

[Peel67skin]

that sounds like the legendary 'dont kick it backwards' commonly yelled by old men in the grandstands

Look what happen to May kick

 

[Stroppy]

Moving on.

 

[Scotty_222]

Is not a lie , check those star inside mid number you either running Infront or you kicking sideway or backward .

What about handballs backward to the spread, would you call that negative?

 

[Peel67skin]

What about handballs backward to the spread, would you call that negative?

The problem is GC handball and kicking skill can't hit target so instead of what you said spread become turn over and opposition rebound to your defensive 50 became their Metres gained by foot or hand . That is why hawthorn depend on Issac Smith , Eagles -Gaf, Tiger - Jayden Short and their winger. Every opposition rebound are metre gain , that is why is so crucial to hit target when you attack or coming out of defence.

EG Weller hit target to shoenfield ( Meter gain) , instead of shoenfield kicking to advantage ,he kick sideway to switch , opposition(Eg Ziebell) intercept and kick forward , opposition will gain Metres gain , instead of shoenfield .

 

[Scotty_222]

The problem is GC handball and kicking skill can't hit target so instead of what you said spread become turn over and opposition rebound to your defensive 50 became their Metres gained by foot or hand . That is why hawthorn depend on Issac Smith , Eagles -Gaf, Tiger - Jayden Short and their winger. Every opposition rebound are metre gain , that is why is so crucial to hit target when you attack or coming out of defence.

EG Weller hit target to shoenfield ( Meter gain) , instead of shoenfield kicking to advantage ,he kick sideway to switch , opposition(Eg Ziebell) intercept and kick forward , opposition will gain Metres gain , instead of shoenfield .

I’m talking the handball backwards, - metres

 

[Peel67skin]

I’m talking the handball backwards, - metres

Yes is negative if you can't hit target . What is the point of handball backward .no metres gain by handball backwards.
The flaws is there but if you handball backward to me and I use it wisely the metres gain will be in my account , isn't it a team event .

 

[Scotty_222]

Yes is negative if you can't hit target . What is the point of handball backward .no metres gain by handball backwards.

To the spread running forward, the reckless handball forward is one of the worst you can do. Spreading laterally are what the good sides do

 

[Peel67skin]

To the spread running forward, the reckless handball forward is one of the worst you can do. Spreading laterally are what the good sides do

Can't you use foot , Australia Football league not Australia handball league .why Clarkson prefer footskill over effort , you can kick backward and launch metre gain by kicking forward again . The moment you handball backward opposition small forward like Richmond will wait for you to make mistake and HTB ,but kicking backward and you mark it they cannot step into your zone or cause them 50 m forward .

 

[Scotty_222]

Can't you use foot , Australia Football league not Australia handball league .why Clarkson prefer footskill over effort , you can kick backward and launch metre gain by kicking forward again .

Ahh.. ok then?