Current WAR CRIMES Israel - Hamas - Hezbollah - Houthis

[jason_recliner]

Bostonian will be referring to the PLO/PFLO who tried to overthrow the Jordanian King's rule through the Arafat years.

Maybe, except his discussion points were entirely shitting on the Palestinians and the PLO hadn't specifically been mentioned.

 

[Kurve]

Maybe, except his discussion points were entirely shitting on the Palestinians and the PLO hadn't specifically been mentioned.

It wasn't the Palestinian people who tried to overthrow the Jordanian King's rule, it was the PLO and the PFLO.

 

[Bostonian]

Maybe, except his discussion points were entirely shitting on the Palestinians and the PLO hadn't specifically been mentioned.

Hamas, PLO same thing over and over.

That's who rules Palestine. That's the two groups that have large support collectively in Palestine.

If Palestine became a state without religion tomorrow there would be a peace accord within a month.

 

[jason_recliner]

It wasn't the Palestinian people who tried to overthrow the Jordanian King's rule, it was the PLO and the PFLO.

Then that would be even more irrelevent (if that could be possible) to the discussion topic.

 

[jason_recliner]

I reckon there are kids in primary school that have read more than you have on the Middle East.

Who cares? Last time I checked this was a forum about crime, not Middle East geopolitics.

 

[Bostonian]

Flying anywhere in the middle east especially from the 1970s on for a couple of decades, and the thought of being a victim of a hijacking was so real I have Australian Irish friends who only travelled on their Irish passports and they all wore gold chains plate named in Arabic. The kids still get these name plates stamped in Arabic at Christmas.

The thinking was that hijackers always let the Irish go. It's also whispered among some who were IRA connected, that they traded bombmaking skills.

This is true.

The IRA were sending out paramilitaries to Palestine to train the PLO all the time. Wasn't even a secret. The PLO offered weapons to the IRA back in return.

That dynamic is based on those people that are hard left in their politics.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I don't know anything about Iranian war crimes. Start a thread and discuss it over there. Reasons for boycotting business with Israel government are throughout this thread - try to keep up.

Iran is the driver of all proxy terrorist activity in the region.

 

[Kurve]

This is true.

The IRA were sending out paramilitaries to Palestine to train the PLO all the time. Wasn't even a secret. The PLO offered weapons to the IRA back in return.

That dynamic is based on those people that are hard left in their politics.

I don't think that's the dynamic of hard left, the world has changed since then and much of the history of the relationship between the IRA and political/terrorist movements out of the OT is being forgotten.

 

[faible]

If Palestine became a state

Netanyahu again rejects Palestinian sovereignty amid fresh US push for two-state solution | CNN

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Saturday rejected calls for Palestinian sovereignty following talks with US President Joe Biden on post-war Gaza.

amp.cnn.com

 

[Bostonian]

I don't think that's the dynamic of hard left, the world has changed since then and much of the history of the relationship between the IRA and political/terrorist movements out of the OT is being forgotten.

The Irish don't forget.

The Glasgow Celtic fans have always been pro-IRA and pro-Palestine from that time and still are to this day. They are seen as being left wing.

Celtic has a huge Irish support base.

 

[Kurve]

Hamas, PLO same thing over and over.

That's who rules Palestine. That's the two groups that have large support collectively in Palestine.

If Palestine became a state without religion tomorrow there would be a peace accord within a month.

Maybe ask the people again when they've been free of Hamas for a little while, if they'd elect them again. I'd wager the vast majority would say no.

 

[Bostonian]

Maybe ask the people again when they've been free of Hamas for a little while, if they'd elect them again. I'd wager the vast majority would say no.

But their alternative would then be Fatah.

Third Way is the only centrist option they have yet they have less seats than the far left Marxist Popular Front.

So exactly what type of people do the citizens want running the country?

 

[faible]

Maybe ask the people again when they've been free of Hamas for a little while, if they'd elect them again. I'd wager the vast majority would say no.

Also when they’re free of military occupation.

 

[Kurve]

Also when they’re free of military occupation.

The life of a Gazan under a military dictatorship under a military occupation.

 

[Kurve]

The Glasgow Celtic fans have always been pro-IRA and pro-Palestine from that time and still are to this day. They are seen as being left wing.

With half of them this far down the track, probably not even in knowing of the history.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Maybe ask the people again when they've been free of Hamas for a little while, if they'd elect them again. I'd wager the vast majority would say no.

A poll was conducted in Nov 23 asking Gazans whether they supported the murders of Israelis in Oct. 75% said they did. Violence begets hatred. Hatred begets violence. I doubt a lesson will be learnt. The only chance imo was total destruction of Hamas including hierarchy. Not achieved

 

[Zidane98]

A poll was conducted in Nov 23 asking Gazans whether they supported the murders of Israelis in Oct. 75% said they did. Violence begets hatred. Hatred begets violence. I doubt a lesson will be learnt. The only chance imo was total destruction of Hamas including hierarchy. Not achieved

Don't reckon too many Gazans would be game to vote against Hamas.

Saddam had a 99% approval rating which meant absolutely nothing.

 

[Kurve]

On Tuesday South Africa lodged an urgent request with the ICJ to consider whether Israel's military operations targeting the southern Gaza city of Rafah breach provisional orders the court handed down in January.

The International Court of Justice rejected a South African request to impose urgent measures to safeguard Rafah in the Gaza Strip, the UN's top court said on Friday.

Despite the rejection, they stressed that Israel must respect earlier measures imposed late last month at a preliminary stage in a landmark genocide case.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/un-court-rejects-safeguard-rafah-1.7117987

 

[FIGJAM]

Despite the rejection, they stressed that Israel must respect earlier measures imposed late last month at a preliminary stage in a landmark genocide case.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/un-court-rejects-safeguard-rafah-1.7117987

Through all of the Saffers' virtue signalling over the supposed "genocide", have they at any point highlighted to the ICJ the demonstrable war crime of holding hostages by Hamas?

 

[faible]

Through all of the Saffers' virtue signalling over the supposed "genocide", have they at any point highlighted to the ICJ the demonstrable war crime of holding hostages by Hamas?

I don't see why they would given the ICJ has no jurisdiction over non-state actors. Also a pretty good indication of the level of imbalance here, nation state versus non-state actor.

World Court to Review 57-Year Israeli Occupation

An unprecedented number of countries and international organizations are expected to participate in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) oral hearings on Israel’s occupation beginning February 19, 2024.

www.hrw.org

The ICJ adjudicates disputes between states and issues advisory opinions on international law. It lacks jurisdiction over the conduct of non-state armed groups like Hamas.

Meanwhile there is an ICC investigation in to war crimes committed by either party that's been running for almost a decade now;

International Criminal Court investigation in Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Edit:

You'll be pleased to know that in their original submission to the ICJ South Africa very specifically condemned it. Even though the ICJ has no jurisdiction over non-state actors like Hamas.

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

South Africa unequivocally condemns all violations of international law by all parties, including the direct targeting of Israeli civilians and other nationals and hostage-taking by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups.

 

[Zidane98]

I don't see why they would given the ICJ has no jurisdiction over non-state actors. Also a pretty good indication of the level of imbalance here, nation state versus non-state actor.

World Court to Review 57-Year Israeli Occupation

An unprecedented number of countries and international organizations are expected to participate in the International Court of Justice (ICJ) oral hearings on Israel’s occupation beginning February 19, 2024.

www.hrw.org

Meanwhile there is an ICC investigation in to war crimes committed by either party that's been running for almost a decade now;

International Criminal Court investigation in Palestine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Edit:

You'll be pleased to know that in their original submission to the ICJ South Africa very specifically condemned it. Even though the ICJ has no jurisdiction over non-state actors like Hamas.

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

Hamas are an official governing body of Gaza region in Palestine and also a proxy for Iran. Action can certainly be taken against these parties by the ICJ and rulings made against them.


Whether they abide by those rulings is another matter.


I do wonder why the Saffers took no action against their ally Assad who genocided tens of thousands of Palestinians at the Yarmouk refugee camp between 2012-2018. They even have a diplomatic & political presence in Damascus.

 

[FIGJAM]

You'll be pleased to know that in their original submission to the ICJ South Africa very specifically condemned it. Even though the ICJ has no jurisdiction over non-state actors like Hamas.

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

I am pleased that they mentioned it!

Still, there is more use of the word genocide on Page 1 of that document in the prose than there is hostages in the full 84 page document.

 

[faible]

I am pleased that they mentioned it!

Still, there is more use of the word genocide on Page 1 of that document in the prose than there is hostages in the full 84 page document.

I don't believe the existence of hostages, or desire for safe return of those hostages, was ever in doubt or requiring an investigation to come to a verdict about.

Of course, you wouldn't be focusing on a very small number of people in order to distract from the deaths of thousands, injuries of tens of thousands, and displacement of hundreds of thousands.

Nor would people be engaging in whataboutism for a similar purpose.

 

[FIGJAM]

Of course, you wouldn't be focusing on a very small number of people in order to distract from the deaths of thousands, injuries of tens of thousands, and displacement of hundreds of thousands.

I'm only mentioning it to never lose sight of the fact that Hamas are fighting back and holding hostages (a reminder: war crime).

Sometimes the likes of yourself (and the hypocritical South Africa) seem to make out like the current situation is akin to NSW randomly deciding to engage in wanton destruction to flush out the infidels from the Gold Coast with an ultimate view of annexation. It's complete garbage!

 

[faible]

I'm only mentioning it to never lose sight of the fact that Hamas are fighting back and holding hostages (a reminder: war crime).

Sometimes the likes of yourself (and the hypocritical South Africa) seem to make out like the current situation is akin to NSW randomly deciding to engage in wanton destruction to flush out the infidels from the Gold Coast with an ultimate view of annexation. It's complete garbage!

I don't think it's random at all. Certain segments of Israel believe that land is rightfully theirs. Unfortunately, that segment is in Government and actually has the capacity to (attempt) to achieve their aims of removing the Palestinian people from Gaza and the West Bank and annexing the land.

Hamas is a terrorist organisation, no issue with the perpetrators being charged for any crimes they've committed at the ICC. They aren't however, a nation state subject to the ICJ.

No one has ever argued Hamas aren't a bad organisation, the closest I've seen is a limited number of people arguing they could be viewed as freedom fighters acting against a military occupation and oppression. Which still doesn't justify their actions.