Current WAR CRIMES Israel - Hamas - Hezbollah - Houthis

[Bostonian]

No, armies don't always destroy civilian areas and populations.

Yes they do in modern warfare.

It's not the 1800's. They aren't meeting on battlefields in open paddocks.

There would be more IDF lives lost but I was referring mainly to more time, more personnel, and more money. But Israel (and Gaza) would likely have a much better outcome, eventually. Guerilla warfare can continue even in very heavily damaged areas, unlike sustaining large populations, so heavy bombing and artillery campaigns on civilian areas do far more harm to the civilian residents than the terrorists (whose welfare is supported logisitically as much as possible, at the expense of the civilian populace). If Israel is serious about getting rid of Hamas they will probably need to fight door to door, eventually, at great expense, so they should have just done that and saved a lot of innocent lives.

So they fact that there would be more IDF lives lost then that's why it would be strategically a terrible ploy for the Israelis.

You'd make a terrible military leader if you would rather your own countrymen die in far larger numbers than they need to because of your incompetent strategy.

 

[jason_recliner]

Yes they do in modern warfare.

It's not the 1800's. They aren't meeting on battlefields in open paddocks.

There are fronts, and areas where there is less or no fighting - you don't have the mass civilian murder in Ukraine and Russia, for example, that you have in Gaza.

So they fact that there would be more IDF lives lost then that's why it would be strategically a terrible ploy for the Israelis.

You'd make a terrible military leader if you would rather your own countrymen die in far larger numbers than they need to because of your incompetent strategy.

Really? There are rules of engagement and the Geneva Convention (unlike the 1800s) which, if followed, inevitably result in higher combatant losses but fewer civilian casualties and deaths.

Don't take this the wrong way - you come across as though you don't care about the murder of tens of thousands of Palestinians.

 

[Bostonian]

There are fronts, and areas where there is less or no fighting - you don't have the mass civilian murder in Ukraine and Russia, for example, that you have in Gaza.

That's because the Ukrainians drove out from Kyiv to ensure their civilians were pushed further from the front lines. Get it?

Hamas is smack bang in among everything and they fire their missiles from there and all of their tunnel systems are under there.

Exactly where did you want Israel to attack? The areas where Hamas aren't fighting from? That's what it sounds like.

Really? There are rules of engagement and the Geneva Convention (unlike the 1800s) which, if followed, inevitably result in higher combatant losses but fewer civilian casualties and deaths.

Don't take this the wrong way - you come across as though you don't care about the murder of tens of thousands of Palestinians.

There we have it again. You expect Israelis to die in far higher numbers to protect the enemies population.

And you come across as though you don't care about Israeli lives as you're willing to throw them away just to make you feel better about how combat unfolds.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Or the residents need to leave so they are out of harms way. The fact they've been displaced hopefully brings about a democratic election when diat settles.

Israel didn't provoke this.....Hamas did. If residents want to remain in harms way.as shields then that's sad but a consequence of supporting a terrorist organization. Don't.

Seriously? WTF do they "leave" to, when ALL exit points are closed? And IDF tells them to relocate to a different part of Gaza, which is then BOMBED as well?

So where is their CHOICE?

FFS do you re-read sh1t before hitting 'Post reply??!! (I know the answer to that.)

 

[jason_recliner]

That's because the Ukrainians drove out from Kyiv to ensure their civilians were pushed further from the front lines. Get it?

Hamas is smack bang in among everything and they fire their missiles from there and all of their tunnel systems are under there.

Exactly where did you want Israel to attack? The areas where Hamas aren't fighting from? That's what it sounds like.

Yes, so Israel is legally obligated to fight Hamas criminals in a manner which minimises harm to innocents. Or Israel is also acting criminally.

There we have it again. You expect Israelis do die in far higher numbers to protect the enemies population.

And you come across as though you don't care about Israeli lives as you're willing to throw them away just to make you feel better about how combat unfolds.

You're right, I don't value IDF (or any other combatant) lives as much as civilian (Palestinian, Iraeli, Aussie, whoever) lives. They get paid to fight for their government, they choose to fight, and that comes with the risk of harm. Civilians don't choose to go to war. Military leaders aim to minimise losses within their forces but it is supposed to be within the law. They can't legally (this is a thread about war crimes) bomb everything so none of their soldiers are at risk.

 

[Bostonian]

You're right, I don't value IDF (or any other combatant) lives as much as civilian (Palestinian, Iraeli, Aussie, whoever) lives. They get paid to fight for their givernment and that comes with the risk of harm. Military leaders aim to minimise losses within their forces but it is supposed to be within the law. They can't legally (this is a thread about war crimes) bomb everything so none of their soldiers are at risk.

All Israelis have to do military service. Their whole population are combatants.

They don't fight for the money. They fight for their existence in that awful region that is dominated by extremists and warped backwards ideologues.

Once again, you bombard the areas you plan to go in BEFORE you send your troops in.

 

[jason_recliner]

All Israelis have to do military service. Their whole population are combatants.

They don't fight for the money. They fight for their existence in that awful region that is dominated by extremists and warped backwards ideologues.

Once again, you bombard the areas you plan to go in BEFORE you send your troops in.

No, they have paid full time defence forces like every other country and they have national service. They're not giving F16s and howitzers to kids out of high school.

Not sure why you're so offended about calling out an illegal action - bombarding cities and killing innocent civilians - in a thread about war crimes on a crime forum!

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Seriously? WTF do they "leave" to, when ALL exit points are closed? And IDF tells them to relocate to a different part of Gaza, which is then BOMBED as well?

So where is their CHOICE?

FFS do you re-read sh1t before hitting 'Post reply??!! (I know the answer to that.)

Answered in post 117. Self evident if you ask me

 

[Bostonian]

No, they have paid full time defence forces like every other country and they have national service. They're not giving F16s and howitzers to kids out of high school.

Not sure why you're so offended about calling out an illegal action - bombarding cities and killing innocent civilians - in a thread about war crimes on a crime forum!

I'm not offended at all. I just think you're laughably naive.

The fact you think Israel should knowingly send their troops into a war zone without doing all they can in military terms to limit their soldiers loses shows you're not one to be discussing war.

You're asking Israel to put Palestinians before it's own people's lives and think that's actually something they should consider. Sounds utterly ludicrous.

 

[Kurve]

No, they have paid full time defence forces like every other country and they have national service. They're not giving F16s and howitzers to kids out of high school.

Not sure why you're so offended about calling out an illegal action - bombarding cities and killing innocent civilians - in a thread about war crimes on a crime forum!

While Syria is not as densely populated as Gaza, this is how Assad's forces have acted to combat rebel groups as well. The people get a warning, then they bomb.

Syria is a member state of the UN.

 

[jason_recliner]

I'm not offended at all. I just think you're laughably naive.

The fact you think Israel should knowingly send their troops into a war zone without doing all they can in military terms to limit their soldiers loses shows you're not one to be discussing war.

You're asking Israel to put Palestinians before it's own people's lives and think that's actually something they should consider. Sounds utterly ludicrous.

Hahahaha nah, I said you're b@tthurt, not "offended" - BFF changes it automatically!

Regardless of what I "think" Israel should do, the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian Law prescribe what Israel must do, legally.

 

[Bostonian]

Hahahaha nah, I said you're b@tthurt, not "offended" - BFF changes it automatically!

Regardless of what I "think" Israel should do, the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian Law prescribe what Israel must do, legally.

I'm not buthurt at all. I don't care one bit if they both go toe to toe and last one standing wins.

Hamas set the tone, if they aren't going to follow any rules then neither should Israel.

 

[Kurve]

Hamas set the tone, if they aren't going to follow any rules then neither should Israel.

Israel needs to follow the rules, there will be consequences if they don't.

 

[Bostonian]

Israel needs to follow the rules, there will be consequences if they don't.

What consequences?

From the corrupt biased UN and their cronies?

Let's look at that clown show...

"In 2023, EU member states voted for one resolution each on the human rights situations in Iran, Syria, North Korea, Myanmar, Crimea, the U.S. for its embargo on Cuba, and Russia for its war in Ukraine. See second table at bottom, showing resolution texts and votes. By contrast, EU states often voted in favor of nearly all 14 resolutions singling out Israel.

These same EU states have failed to introduce a single UNGA resolution this year on the human rights situation in China, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Cuba, Turkey, Pakistan, Vietnam, Algeria, or on 175 other countries."

• 2023 UNGA Resolutions on Israel: 14
• 2023 UNGA Resolutions on Rest of the World: 7​

 

[Kurve]

What consequences?

From the corrupt biased UN and their cronies?

From the West. The West can give them big problems, they need to follow the rules.

 

[Bostonian]

From the West. The West can give them big problems, they need to follow the rules.

Yes the rules. The ones the people they fight never have to follow.

 

[Kurve]

Yes the rules. The ones the people they fight never have to follow.

I don't think Israel has to break the rules to get any kind of edge here.

 

[Bostonian]

I don't think Israel has to break the rules to get any kind of edge here.

Funny how nobody who opposes what they are doing has come up with anything that resembles an effective viable alternate battle plan that limits their sides losses in a conflict but destroys Hamas completely.

 

[Kurve]

Funny how nobody who opposes what they are doing has come up with anything that resembles an effective viable alternate battle plan that limits their sides losses in a conflict but destroys Hamas completely.

We were talking about Israel following the rules, not the question of whether Hamas should be destroyed.

 

[Bostonian]

We were talking about Israel following the rules, not the question of whether Hamas should be destroyed.

Yes and those rules limit greatly Israel getting in there and removing the threat of Hamas with minimal casualties to their own people.

Great rules those ones.

 

[jason_recliner]

Hamas set the tone, if they aren't going to follow any rules then neither should Israel.

You couldn't sound any more b@tthurt than this statement if you tried! Literally holding a sovereign state to the same standards as a criminal organisation!!! Onya, champ.

 

[Bostonian]

You couldn't sound any more b@tthurt than this statement if you tried! Literally holding a sovereign state to the same standards as a criminal organisation!!! Onya, champ.

I don't think you know what buthurt means. You're literally describing your state of being. It's why you keep throwing out "innocent" all the time as if that word makes one bit of difference to this conflict.

I'm just talking from a purely win at all costs with as little loss of life to your own citizens as possible for Israel.

You as have let it be known are fine with lots of Israelis dying needlessly to achieve this, you actually encourage it.

 

[Kurve]

Yes and those rules limit greatly Israel getting in there and removing the threat of Hamas with minimal casualties to their own people.

Great rules those ones.

No they don't. They've just bombed 3/4s of Gaza to rubble with boots on the ground right through the heart of the land to the beach and nobody's stopping them.

 

[Bostonian]

No they don't. They've just bombed 3/4s of Gaza to rubble with boots on the ground right through the heart of the land to the beach and nobody's stopping them.

If they followed "the rules" they couldn't have laid down an artillery barrage where it was needed. If they followed all these rules they couldn't have struck at Hamas like they have.

 

[Kurve]

If they followed "the rules" they couldn't have laid down an artillery barrage where it was needed. If they followed all these rules they couldn't have struck at Hamas like they have.

Righto, exactly what specific rules do you think Israel is breaking? We're talking about war crimes in here?