Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[Kurve]

I guess if you're equating Al-Assad's bombs with Israel's bombs...

The devastation looks the same in many parts of Syria.

 

[faible]

The devastation looks the same in many parts of Syria.

I'm all for treating them similarly.

 

[ZEV]

Was they uploading the war crimes to tik tok, like IDF soldiers were doing?

I don't know, not familiar with tik tok. Was they?

 

[Jazny]

I'm all for treating them similarly.

You must have close to an equal amount of posts criticising Assad's regime as Israel then?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You must have close to an equal amount of posts criticising Assad's regime as Israel then?

So you agree that Netanyahu's regime is as bad as Assad's and should be treated the same?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I'm trying to offer something away from the hatred and that offers another perspective.

Appeasement and Israel to have free reign to kill potential enemies in the region is away from hatred?

Don't think I'll ever wrap my head around this.

Did he actually call it "Israel's occupation of Syria"? Or is that your interpretation? Because the Israeli government up until then has been at pains to stress it's temporary.

No, that's me calling a spade a spade. He called it 'returning to Israeli control', so pretty much the same.

Reminder: al Assad literally did not have an ICC arrest warrant out against him for war crimes and crimes against humanity.

What does that tell you?

Tells you Syria are not under ICC jurisdiction?

 

[ZEV]

Tells you Syria are not under ICC jurisdiction?

Either is Israel.... Fancy that.

 

[Jazny]

So you agree that Netanyahu's regime is as bad as Assad's and should be treated the same?

Try to follow along, Ghost Patrol.

 

[treeebeard]

Bibi's talking points are the same as Putin's for moving in to Ukraine. Defensive move to protect from the neighbours threats.

 

[Jazny]

Bibi's talking points are the same as Putin's for moving in to Ukraine. Defensive move to protect from the neighbours threats.

 

[faible]

You must have close to an equal amount of posts criticising Assad's regime as Israel then?

it wouldn’t be necessary, no one argues in favour of Assad’s war crimes being justified in self defence..

 

[Jazny]

it wouldn’t be necessary, no one argues in favour of Assad’s war crimes being justified in self defence..

Good point. I must have seen you post a whole heap of criticisms against posters like Treeebeard and Lunchlady that did explicitly argue that Hamas's war crimes were in self defense and justified under UNGA 37/43 then. Oh wait, you didn't.

I can't say there are zero pro-Israel people justifying Israeli war crimes, but if you want to get on board the "criticise people for justifying war crimes" train, then the pro-Palestinian side is a gold mine of bad justifications, excuses, and apologies for war crimes.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Either is Israel.... Fancy that.

Palestine is though. Do you seriously not understand this?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Good point. I must have seen you post a whole heap of criticisms against posters like Treeebeard and Lunchlady that did explicitly argue that Hamas's war crimes were in self defense and justified under UNGA 37/43 then. Oh wait, you didn't.

I can't say there are zero pro-Israel people justifying Israeli war crimes, but if you want to get on board the "criticise people for justifying war crimes" train, then the pro-Palestinian side is a gold mine of bad justifications, excuses, and apologies for war crimes.

The way you keep trying to use me as some sort of shield is pathetic.

 

[Jazny]

The way you keep trying to use me as some sort of shield is pathetic.

If you type out super controversial opinions, they might get brought up again at some point

 

[Kurve]

it wouldn’t be necessary, no one argues in favour of Assad’s war crimes being justified in self defence..

Except Iran maybe.

They gave Assad $30 billion to war on his people and keep him in power.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Article 51 genius.

Israel have not sent an Article 51 letter to the UNSC - even they don't claim they're acting in self-defence.

 

[treeebeard]

Yep, just replace future Syrian threats with future NATO threats.

 

[faible]

Except Iran maybe.

They gave Assad $30 billion to war on his people and keep him in power.

I’d have to check to be sure, but I don’t think Iran are in this thread.

 

[DapperDon]

Syria.

They certainly have the highest number, what percentage of those were against their neighbours?

 

[Jazny]

They certainly have the highest number, what percentage of those were against their neighbours?

Don't know, go do the math.

 

[DapperDon]

Don't know, go do the math.

My guesstimate suggests they have shown no prior threats for any reason to be bombed for security reasons.

I know these poorer nations don't rank high on your care factor, but for most of us they do have a right to be safe. Especially after just winning a long bloody civil war against a horrible dictator. (which wasn't seen as a threat by the same country now bombing them, weird huh)

Now go find that sand.

 

[treeebeard]

Good point. I must have seen you post a whole heap of criticisms against posters like Treeebeard and Lunchlady that did explicitly argue that Hamas's war crimes were in self defense and justified under UNGA 37/43 then. Oh wait, you didn't.

I can't say there are zero pro-Israel people justifying Israeli war crimes, but if you want to get on board the "criticise people for justifying war crimes" train, then the pro-Palestinian side is a gold mine of bad justifications, excuses, and apologies for war crimes.

Yeah, i never claimed Hamas' actions were in self defense. So, I'm not sure how he is supposed to criticise posts that don't exist.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

If you type out super controversial opinions, they might get brought up again at some point

I'm not really sure what you're referencing, do you have a link? Maybe I've posted 'half-cocked' in the past, I'm not sure.

Palestinians and Hamas have the right to armed resistance to end their illegal military occupation, which is enforced by Israel using its own brand of brutal violence.

Now's probably a good time to respond to this.

By all available means? I am happy if all the arguing I have done about this means that ridiculous part has been dropped.

There's not really many means left to them, after 75 years of occupation. They don't have the luxury of shelling, tanks, fighter jets or drones to deliver their violence.

IDF members enforcing that illegal occupation are valid targets for armed resistance.

The deliberate targeting and sometimes sadistic killing of civilians that definitely happened on Oct 7 is vile and has no place in any conflict or country. If sexual violence did occur, it too is beyond disgusting. I've said this before, but I guess I have to again. I wish we could go back to Oct 6th and have none of this ever be imagined.

Israel would continue to kill and kidnap Palestinians with impunity, but at least it was a slow genocide.

The PA definitely and Hamas would have that right, random terror groups or Palestinians that are unlawful combatants do not. Resistance would still have to comply with IHL and obviously Israel would have the right to defend itself.

There would still be grounds for complaint though. Hamas's modus operandi has absolutely no respect for IHL.

Israel have never had respect for IHL - why should the people trying to escape their oppression?

Israel have completely disregarded all requirements of necessity and have been wildly disproportionate in their response. The airwars report figures blow your claims about civilian deaths looking just like Raqqa or Mosul out of the water.

Nothing about October 7th complied with international law, indiscriminate rockets don't comply, hostage taking doesn't comply, killing active IDF personnel that are hors de combat doesn't comply, using human shields and firing rockets from protected areas does not comply etc etc. And the non-compliance is systematic, not just random acts. It's top down terrorism. Hamas are just the worst.

Hahaha - just the worst? Low-tech unguided rockets that do no damage whatsoever are the worst?

These things you can be found regularly railing against, but we never hear anything about the IDFs actions. People whose homes have been bombed to oblivion are burned alive in their refugee tents by IDF created firestorms, and we don't get a peep from you. Not a word about children being sniped in the street. Hospitals sieged, patients and medical staff alike targeted on some flimsy pretence is studiously ignored.

Given Israel's tactic is to wait until a Hamas member is sleeping at home, surrounded by family, before they airstrike the entire building that he's in and kill everyone, any attempt at claiming the killing of IDF while unarmed or off duty is 'just the worst' can only be met with disdain.

Given the IDF commit perfidy, dress as medical personnel, infiltrate hospitals and shoot suspected Hamas operatives while they lay helpless on their beds, any attempt at claiming Hamas are 'just the worst' for killing while hors de combat is laughable.

Given the IDF claim people in their homes, hospitals, schools and mosques are 'human shields' and valid targets, any attempt to claim Hamas are 'the worst' when civilians deliberately placed in kibbutz founded exactly for this purpose are killed, is a bit rich.

Entire families are wiped out in one strike, over and over and over again. Parts of children collected in plastic bags by their parents are just collateral damage from Israel's inalienable right to self-defence. The photographed rape of Palestinian prisoners, the torture to death of Palestinian doctors, none of this gets a mention. But resistance to our occupation means you have to follow all the rules!

The force with the state-of-the-art military technology have killed 22,000+ children. The state with precision guided weapons have flattened Gaza to the ground. The way you excuse the IDFs actions as 'just war' while raging about Hamas' feeble attempts will never make sense to me. Forgive me for not holding Palestinians to a standard their oppressors don't care to maintain.

If you want a fair fight and IHL compliance - let Palestinians have some tanks, planes and drones. Would their resistance then become valid to you? I think you've mentioned before that Hamas need to be more like the Ukraine. I know Zidane has. I'm sure they'd love that.

 

[jason_recliner]

I'm not really sure what you're referencing, do you have a link? Maybe I've posted 'half-cocked' in the past, I'm not sure.

Palestinians and Hamas have the right to armed resistance to end their illegal military occupation, which is enforced by Israel using its own brand of brutal violence.

Now's probably a good time to respond to this.



There's not really many means left to them, after 75 years of occupation. They don't have the luxury of shelling, tanks, fighter jets or drones to deliver their violence.

IDF members enforcing that illegal occupation are valid targets for armed resistance.

The deliberate targeting and sometimes sadistic killing of civilians that definitely happened on Oct 7 is vile and has no place in any conflict or country. If sexual violence did occur, it too is beyond disgusting. I've said this before, but I guess I have to again. I wish we could go back to Oct 6th and have none of this ever be imagined.

Israel would continue to kill and kidnap Palestinians with impunity, but at least it was a slow genocide.




Israel have never had respect for IHL - why should the people trying to escape their oppression?

Israel have completely disregarded all requirements of necessity and have been wildly disproportionate in their response. The airwars report figures blow your claims about civilian deaths looking just like Raqqa or Mosul out of the water.



Hahaha - just the worst? Low-tech unguided rockets that do no damage whatsoever are the worst?

These things you can be found regularly railing against, but we never hear anything about the IDFs actions. People whose homes have been bombed to oblivion are burned alive in their refugee tents by IDF created firestorms, and we don't get a peep from you. Not a word about children being sniped in the street. Hospitals sieged, patients and medical staff alike targeted on some flimsy pretence is studiously ignored.

Given Israel's tactic is to wait until a Hamas member is sleeping at home, surrounded by family, before they airstrike the entire building that he's in and kill everyone, any attempt at claiming the killing of IDF while unarmed or off duty is 'just the worst' can only be met with disdain.

Given the IDF commit perfidy, dress as medical personnel, infiltrate hospitals and shoot suspected Hamas operatives while they lay helpless on their beds, any attempt at claiming Hamas are 'just the worst' for killing while hors de combat is laughable.

Given the IDF claim people in their homes, hospitals, schools and mosques are 'human shields' and valid targets, any attempt to claim Hamas are 'the worst' when civilians deliberately placed in kibbutz founded exactly for this purpose are killed, is a bit rich.

Entire families are wiped out in one strike, over and over and over again. Parts of children collected in plastic bags by their parents are just collateral damage from Israel's inalienable right to self-defence. The photographed rape of Palestinian prisoners, the torture to death of Palestinian doctors, none of this gets a mention. But resistance to our occupation means you have to follow all the rules!

The force with the state-of-the-art military technology have killed 22,000+ children. The state with precision guided weapons have flattened Gaza to the ground. The way you excuse the IDFs actions as 'just war' while raging about Hamas' feeble attempts will never make sense to me. Forgive me for not holding Palestinians to a standard their oppressors don't care to maintain.

If you want a fair fight and IHL compliance - let Palestinians have some tanks, planes and drones. Would their resistance then become valid to you? I think you've mentioned before that Hamas need to be more like the Ukraine. I know Zidane has. I'm sure they'd love that.

THANK YOU.