Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

The main terrorist groups in the Palestinian territories do terrorism in order to eradicate Israel. This is something you need to start coming to terms with. That's why after the Gaza withdrawal, Hamas came to power, started doing terrorism firing thousands of rockets into Israel between 2005-07, and then Israel and Egypt imposed a formal blockade for security reasons. Can you imagine how stupid Israel would have to be not to blockade Gaza with Hamas in power?

Hamas isn't fighting to remove a blockade, they are fighting to destroy Israel. That's why the Hamas charter goes on about killing Jews. It's also why October 7th mass attack wasn't aimed at breaking any blockade or any valid military objective at all. They went in to kill and take Israelis hostage.

This is an extremely blinkered view. Zidane level dreck.

 

[DapperDon]

Just another Jazny post dismissing those 'lesser' nations of having a right to freedom.

 

[Jazny]

This is an extremely blinkered view. Zidane level dreck.

I'm so sorry your freedom fighters are actually genocidal maniacs but you can look at their motives for yourself. They don't hide it. It's in their charter, they say it in interviews, they tell the world and show us through their actions, but the useful idiot section of society don't want to hear it, they just want to project their own fringe beliefs onto these terrorist groups instead.

News flash: Hamas suck and so do all their beliefs. You would think this is an obvious take but people who pretend for months to be critical of terrorist organizations suddenly get mad when you point this out. Odd.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

I'm so sorry your freedom fighters are actually genocidal maniacs but you can look at their motives for yourself. They don't hide it. It's in their charter, they say it in interviews, they tell the world and show us through their actions, but the useful idiot section of society don't want to hear it, they just want to project their own fringe beliefs onto these terrorists instead.

Your devolution into the average Zionist social media user is now complete.

It's the only way this could have ended really. Eventually you can't reconcile reality with your narrative and the only way out is to believe only you know the truth, and those who disagree just don't get it! Useful idiots, doing the enemy's work for them!

How can they not understand, everyone is just out to kill all the Jews!?!?

 

[Jazny]

Your devolution into the average Zionist social media user is now complete.

It's the only way this could have ended really. Eventually you can't reconcile reality with your narrative and the only way out is to believe only you know the truth, and those who disagree just don't get it! Useful idiots, doing the enemy's work for them!

How can they not understand, everyone is just out to kill all the Jews!?!?

Good counter argument. Go tell Hamas their public statements and charter are wrong and what they really mean is they are fighting valid military targets in accordance with international law so they can live in peace side by side with Israel in a two state solution.

October 7th was totally just about ending a blockade. It's normal for militaries to go on a mass killing spree when they come across a rave in the course of conducting valid military operations. Normal freedom fighting stuff. What a sad pathetic bunch of losers Hamas are.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Good counter argument. Go tell Hamas their public statements and charter are wrong and what they really mean is they are fighting valid military targets in accordance with international law so they can live in peace side by side with Israel in a two state solution.

Don't worry, there's decades of Palestinian attempts at peace. They have been rebuffed time and again by their occupiers, who don't want them on any terms but their own, perhaps not even then.

We'll get to that.

October 7th was totally just about ending a blockade. It's normal for militaries to go on a mass killing spree when they come across a rave in the course of conducting valid military operations. Normal freedom fighting stuff. What a sad pathetic bunch of losers Hamas are.

Really grownup stuff here.

 

[Jazny]

Really grownup stuff here.

Remember when you tried to argue the IDF deliberately moved the rave into the path of terrorists so the terrorists would kill them all which would make them look bad? I don't really need to try and be all grown up when I'm dealing with that level of tin foil nonsense.

The reason why you're all mad right now rather than using Hamas member's own words to prove me wrong is because you can't unless you shamelessly quote farm them... but even then you would struggle.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Remember when you tried to argue the IDF deliberately moved the rave into the path of terrorists so the terrorists would kill them all which would make them look bad? I don't really need to try and be all grown up when I'm dealing with that level of tin foil nonsense.

Yawn.

The reason why you're all mad right now rather than using Hamas member's own words to prove me wrong is because you can't unless you shamelessly quote farm them... but even then you would struggle.

Why do you think I'm mad? Because you're calling Hamas childish names?

I'm having a great time.

 

[Kurve]

That is complete and utter bullshit. A ragtag bunch of criminal terrorists is never going to "destroy" a sovereign state unquestioningly backed by USA and they are under no illusion that they ever could achieve it.

They do believe it's achievable, you only need listen. For Hamas, it's about destroying Israel and every Jew in it.

 

[Jazny]

People shocked to learn the perpetrators of a horrific mass atrocity that explicitly targeted civilians are not good guys with a noble cause

 

[jason_recliner]

They do believe it's achievable, you only need listen. For Hamas, it's about destroying Israel and every Jew in it.

I don't believe that for one second. Apart from it being patently impossible for the reasons I mentioned, you only have to look at Iron Dome intercepting nearly every single missile for an instant reality check. It's just insane nasty rhetoric.

 

[Kurve]

I don't believe that for one second. Apart from it being patently impossible for the reasons I mentioned, you only have to look at Iron Dome intercepting nearly every single missile for an instant reality check. It's just insane nasty rhetoric.

You're in denial.

Are you forgetting what happened on October 7 and that the ICC has issued a warrant for the arrest of Mohammed Deif on charges of 'extermination'?

Hamas are militant Islamists allied with and supported by Iran, they do believe they can destroy Israel. It isn't all about firing off rockets that Iron Dome intercepts most of the time.

 

[treeebeard]

That's not really accurate. There has been a tonne of terrorism emanating from the West Bank over the years, the PA have been not particularly effectual at combating it, which is their responsibility particularly in area A and shared responsibility with Israel in area B. All you have to do is google terrorism incidents in the West Bank and you see tonnes.

The Jewish Virtual Library has a long list. Hit control+f and put Jenin, West Bank, or Jerusalem in the search and go through it all. All of these people listed are civilian victims.

Comprehensive Listing of Terrorism Victims in Israel

Encyclopedia of Jewish and Israeli history, politics and culture, with biographies, statistics, articles and documents on topics from anti-Semitism to Zionism.

www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org

Israel needs to stop the settlers and Palestinian authorities need to stop the terrorism.

The vast majority of those are Gaza based attacks. West Bank has pursued the political path, with a few loonies on the side. There's a real danger now that the loonies will cement support and take control in that region as well, as the people tire of Israeli land theft. But yes, terrorism from both sides needs to stop. 2023 was particularly bad for terrorist activity from Israelis int he West Bank.

 

[treeebeard]

Not very well correlated when there has been no settlements in Gaza for decades yet we have a lot of terrorism coming from Gaza. More so than the West Bank. Do you really think that Hamas or the PIJ or most other terrorist groups would drop terrorism as a tactic if Israel stopped settling the West Bank? Removing settlements in Gaza seemed to have absolutely no impact on Hamas and PIJ's willingness to commit acts of terror against Israel and turn its own region into a military hub to attack Israel. It's pretty low on their priorities.

I feel you need to actually have a look at what motivates these terrorists. It's not really what western people think it is. A lot of Palestinian terrorists reject a two state solution all together. They want to eradicate Israel, obviously settler activity in Area C doesn't help, but it's not really the thing that drives them to kill themselves and other civilians.

Occupation of Gaza would the the symptom there. Nobody wants to be subjugated like that.

 

[treeebeard]

Remember when you tried to argue the IDF deliberately moved the rave into the path of terrorists so the terrorists would kill them all which would make them look bad? I don't really need to try and be all grown up when I'm dealing with that level of tin foil nonsense.

The reason why you're all mad right now rather than using Hamas member's own words to prove me wrong is because you can't unless you shamelessly quote farm them... but even then you would struggle.

Hamas is a symptom of generations of zionist policy. Plan Dalet was hatched well before Hamas existed.

 

[Kurve]

I don't believe that for one second. Apart from it being patently impossible for the reasons I mentioned, you only have to look at Iron Dome intercepting nearly every single missile for an instant reality check. It's just insane nasty rhetoric.

Why your denial matters is because we need to register the dangers for the Palestinian people, in Islamists rhetoric.

There is a scenario in the current conditions where I can see Israel destroyed as is Iran's aim, they've said it time and again. Listen to them. If that were to happen, would you then say that Hamas had no hope of destroying Israel? Of course you wouldn't and you couldn't because they'd take the credit for it.

 

[treeebeard]

That is complete and utter bullshit. A ragtag bunch of criminal terrorists is never going to "destroy" a sovereign state unquestioningly backed by USA and they are under no illusion that they ever could achieve it.

Yep, the USA will never let this happen. The Zionist and military weapons lobby groups will make sure of that.

 

[jason_recliner]

Why your denial matters is because we need to register the dangers for the Palestinian people, in Islamists rhetoric.

There is a scenario in the current conditions where I can see Israel destroyed as is Iran's aim, they've said it time and again. Listen to them. If that were to happen, would you then say that Hamas had no hope of destroying Israel? Of course you wouldn't and you couldn't because they'd take the credit for it.

What's the scenario? Can you imagine if Iran launched a nuclear missile at an Israeli city? After ID intercepted it, Israel might genocide with their nuclear and conventional arsenal every single Iranian, if their crimes in Gaza are anything to go by.

 

[faible]

One day I'm going to check this thread and find Kurve pulling up the pro-Israel guys, instead of the pro-Palestinian ones.

 

[Kurve]

One day I'm going to check this thread and find Kurve pulling up the pro-Israel guys, instead of the pro-Palestinian ones.

There's been more moderation of pro-Israel guys across this board and in this thread than the other way around actually.

Here, I found this guy. Rather than me being misunderstood, deliberately or otherwise, misinterpreted or my words used as a wedge:

8. Understanding past and contemporary mistakes that have set the Palestinian people back by decades and made them pawns in ideologies and geopolitical programs, agendas, and designs.

9. Developing a pragmatic and realistic framework for recognizing Israel’s existence, right to exist, and the inevitability of its continued existence, all of which should inform how a solution is approached.

10. Dispensing with delusional and destructive elements of the Palestinian narrative and acknowledging that there will not be a full liberation of all of Palestine, there will not be a right of return to what is now mainland Israel, and that Israel cannot and should not be confronted militarily or through any form of violence.

11. Promoting a cultural shift away from revolutionary rhetoric, martyrdom, and armed resistance, and instead, rebranding coexistence and peace as a courageous and necessary evolution to preserve Palestinian lives, lands, and heritage and foster a new generation of nation-builders who are focused on doing the most with what the Palestinians currently have and can have in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

12. Denouncing and rejecting antisemitism while also acknowledging that Zionists and Israelis are a diverse group/people and that the Palestinians have to work with all of these segments to have sustainable coexistence and peace.

13. Understanding how violent/hateful rhetoric, actions, and mistakes are detrimental because they empower right-wing and extremist forces in Israel who are opposed to Palestinian rights and that persistent mistakes and incendiary rhetoric and proclamations erode support for the Palestinian people and cause.

14. Recognizing Palestinian agency, responsibility, and accountability when taking actions that have negative consequences and outcomes and acknowledging that, while there’s an asymmetry of power dynamics, Palestinian leaders, political groups, and prominent figures should make rational and responsible choices to optimize for better prospects.

15. Accepting that even with East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state, access to holy sites must always be shared and open to all.

16. Realizing how nefarious regional players like the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies are not sincere or helpful allies to the Palestinian people and have done so much damage to the entire region and the Palestinian cause.

17. Developing the capacity to hear Jewish perspectives and grievances, historical and contemporary, to understand why pro-Israel supporters believe what they do and why Israel means so much to so many, even if one disagrees with those opinions and views.

18. Understanding that Hamas recklessly endangered Palestinian lives and placed the people of Gaza in significant harm and that the group relies on Palestinian suffering as part of its strategy to delegitimize Israel globally while perpetuating the conflict without any meaningful resolution.

 

[faible]

There's been more moderation of pro-Israel guys across this board and in this thread than the other way around actually.

Here, I found this guy. Rather than me being misunderstood, deliberately or otherwise, misinterpreted or my words used as a wedge:

8. Understanding past and contemporary mistakes that have set the Palestinian people back by decades and made them pawns in ideologies and geopolitical programs, agendas, and designs.

9. Developing a pragmatic and realistic framework for recognizing Israel’s existence, right to exist, and the inevitability of its continued existence, all of which should inform how a solution is approached.

10. Dispensing with delusional and destructive elements of the Palestinian narrative and acknowledging that there will not be a full liberation of all of Palestine, there will not be a right of return to what is now mainland Israel, and that Israel cannot and should not be confronted militarily or through any form of violence.

11. Promoting a cultural shift away from revolutionary rhetoric, martyrdom, and armed resistance, and instead, rebranding coexistence and peace as a courageous and necessary evolution to preserve Palestinian lives, lands, and heritage and foster a new generation of nation-builders who are focused on doing the most with what the Palestinians currently have and can have in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

12. Denouncing and rejecting antisemitism while also acknowledging that Zionists and Israelis are a diverse group/people and that the Palestinians have to work with all of these segments to have sustainable coexistence and peace.

13. Understanding how violent/hateful rhetoric, actions, and mistakes are detrimental because they empower right-wing and extremist forces in Israel who are opposed to Palestinian rights and that persistent mistakes and incendiary rhetoric and proclamations erode support for the Palestinian people and cause.

14. Recognizing Palestinian agency, responsibility, and accountability when taking actions that have negative consequences and outcomes and acknowledging that, while there’s an asymmetry of power dynamics, Palestinian leaders, political groups, and prominent figures should make rational and responsible choices to optimize for better prospects.

15. Accepting that even with East Jerusalem as the capital of a future Palestinian state, access to holy sites must always be shared and open to all.

16. Realizing how nefarious regional players like the Islamic Republic of Iran and its proxies are not sincere or helpful allies to the Palestinian people and have done so much damage to the entire region and the Palestinian cause.

17. Developing the capacity to hear Jewish perspectives and grievances, historical and contemporary, to understand why pro-Israel supporters believe what they do and why Israel means so much to so many, even if one disagrees with those opinions and views.

18. Understanding that Hamas recklessly endangered Palestinian lives and placed the people of Gaza in significant harm and that the group relies on Palestinian suffering as part of its strategy to delegitimize Israel globally while perpetuating the conflict without any meaningful resolution.

First part of the list also below;

1. Supporting the right of Palestinians to a sovereign and independent state living in peace side by side with Israel.

2. Condemning Israeli government actions, policies, priorities, and decisions that kill, harm, undermine, or oppress the Palestinian people.

3. Criticizing and decrying the conduct of the war in Gaza, the military occupation in the West Bank, and the Israeli government’s disregard for Palestinian civilian lives, and the destruction of property and cities.

4. Rejecting, denouncing, and exposing the theft of Palestinian lands in the West Bank and the sprawling settlement enterprise and settler violence.

5. Supporting highly targeted, specific, and effective sanctions against individuals, groups, and entities that are enabling the unjust and illegal occupation of the West Bank and harming Palestinian civilians.

6. Denouncing and combating the dehumanization of the Palestinian people or the denial of their existence as people with the right to live on the land they called home for generations.

7. Acknowledging the tragedy experienced by hundreds of thousands of displaced Palestinians from 1948 and giving them/their descendants the right to return to the lands of a future Palestinian state in the West Bank and in the Gaza Strip.

 

[Kurve]

First part of the list also below;

Thank you, I assumed anybody who checked in would read it. Of course.

What's new in his approach, is a solution.

 

[faible]

Thank you, I assumed anybody who checked in would read it. Of course.

Never assume, the ability of people on the internet to fail to read things is undefeated.

 

[Kurve]

What's the scenario? Can you imagine if Iran launched a nuclear missile at an Israeli city?

No. I don't believe they have the capability.

 

[jason_recliner]

No. I don't believe they have the capability.

Of course they don't. I'm trying to understand to which "scenario" you are referring.