Roast WC Need to do Something About Their Recruiting.

[Monocle]

Hi Monocle - I believe venables has a higher ceiling based on things like pace, ability to find space, disposal off both wings, ability to read ball. Completely different players and would work well together.

Thanks for the reply.

Lets get our trading people onto that as Keys said it would be to have SPP back in WA.

 

[BOND 007]

Question on Mitch McGovern- were we expecting/hoping that he'd last to our 3rd round pick so we could take him then or was he not even in our sights?

They knew he was there - rolled the dice and lost - but maybe not forever

 

[Ok Boomer]

Do you guys want a ruckman who is not great at getting his hand to the ball in a ruck contest and struggles to mark the ball in general play?

No thanks to Kurt Tippett.

 

[KO_KO]

Anybody else concerned about the go home factor for DV?

 

[Monocle]

Anybody else concerned about the go home factor for DV?

Whilst acknowledging that its a possibility, as it is with any interstate kid , nothing that he has said or done concerns me.
He seemed genuinely happy to have been picked up by us.

 

[RookiePick]

I think our draft and trade decisions are able to be rationalised well enough. I certainly don't think the recruitment team are trying to sabotage the list, they make their decisions in good faith.

When it comes to the objective measure of how many AFL standard players we have drafted, it looks pretty ugly in recent years. Watching East Perth play doesn't fill me with confidence that we have a lot in the shed that are going to step up either. Hopefully I am wrong but we are in serious strife if we have the same output from our '14 and '15 draft classes that we have had from '11-'12

 

[frenchconnection]

Interesting considering Sheed seemed to have a pretty good game.

What's that got to do with the price of eggs?

 

[dajesmac]

certainly don't think the recruitment team are trying to sabotage the list, they make their decisions in good faith.

I'm not sure if anyone has made this accusation

 

[Godfather32]

What's that got to do with the price of eggs?

Easter eggs or non-denominational eggs?

 

[Truckosaurus]

Non-denominational but organic free range.

 

[Matera92]

They knew he was there - rolled the dice and lost - but maybe not forever

Oh mai.

 

[flamingEMBERS]

I don't think we lack speed, size etc we just lack hunger and intent. When we play with hunger and intent we are on point, we just don't. Thus spuds who don't bring intent, more widely known as campaigner, should be gone.

 

[RookiePick]

Jesus that pitchfork in the bum must have hurt like hades

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[SpaceClef]

2011 - WC were really happy to get Newman (in particular) and McInnes. Newman went off rails and McInnes hasn't progressed. That's life and realistically only Neale who was drafted afterwards has been consistently good.

I personally think it is more of a development problem than a recruiting one, but it always irks me when people gloss-over things when making arguments like this.

Firstly, Neale hasn't just been "consistently good" - he was one of the best midfielders in the competition last year and unlucky not to be All Australian after being selected in the squad.

Furthermore, all four players taken after Newman played for their AFL clubs on the weekend, as did an additional 10 of the players taken after McInness. This is a hell of a lot better than one guy delisted and another floundering in the WAFL, even if not all of them are household names. So watering it down by saying "only Neale has been consistently good" doesn't really tell the full picture.

2013 - Doing the deal with Collingwood allowed Yeo to be traded in - another win. Karpany hasn't come on but who would have been taken between #31 and Barrass at #43. Pearce ?

Just looking at the picks in between Karps and Barrass: Hewett, again not a household name, but since the start of 2016 he has played all but one game for Sydney, including kicking a goal in the GF. Cutler and Robertson both played AFL footy on the weekend, Nankervis is a lead ruckman and Kolodashnij is in Geelong's best 22 but has glandular. Pearce as you say is injured.

Again, it's easy to gloss over because none of them are superstars yet, but they're still contributing to their teams more than our guy is.

I also don't know if it's valid to say that the players who have played lots of games are in shit sides, because it's impossible to prove that they wouldn't have been getting games in good sides.

 

[SpaceClef]

I think your analysis reinforces that you need early picks to pick the real top end talent these days, it's incredibly hard to find a roughie and very few of our picks were utterly wrong. With GC & GWS hoarding early picks for years, where we find ourselves with our list is about where you would expect it to be.

Here are players named in AFL.com's 'Team of the Week' for the last round, who were taken with picks outside of the first round:

Hartigan _ Rookie
Harbrow _ Rookie
Witts _ 67
Hunt _ 57
Fasolo _ 45
Sloane _ 44
Schade _ 24
Fyfe _ 20

Here are some more players named in AFL.com's best players for each match on the weekend, all taken with picks outside of the first round. I got bored looking them up after a while and haven't even included them all:

Blicavs _ Rookie
Dahlhaus _ Rookie
Jong _ Rookie
Laird _ Rookie
Lloyd _ Rookie
Sandilands _ Rookie
Henderson _ Rookie
S Martin _ PSD
Rockliff _ PSD
Suckling _ 70
Butler _ 67
Darcy-Jones _ 52
Montagna _ 37
Newnes _ 37
Shiels _ 34
Hamling _ 32
Hannebery _ 30
Beams _ 29
Otten _ 27
Ross _ 25
Shuey _ 20

 

[Godfather32]

Here are players named in AFL.com's 'Team of the Week' for the last round, who were taken with picks outside of the first round:

Hartigan _ Rookie
Harbrow _ Rookie
Witts _ 67
Hunt _ 57
Fasolo _ 45
Sloane _ 44
Schade _ 24
Fyfe _ 20

Here are some more players named in AFL.com's best players for each match on the weekend, all taken with picks outside of the first round. I got bored looking them up after a while and haven't even included them all:

Blicavs _ Rookie
Dahlhaus _ Rookie
Jong _ Rookie
Laird _ Rookie
Lloyd _ Rookie
Sandilands _ Rookie
Henderson _ Rookie
S Martin _ PSD
Rockliff _ PSD
Suckling _ 70
Butler _ 67
Darcy-Jones _ 52
Montagna _ 37
Newnes _ 37
Shiels _ 34
Hamling _ 32
Hannebery _ 30
Beams _ 29
Otten _ 27
Ross _ 25
Shuey _ 20

Sydney, St Kilda, the Bulldogs & Melbourne have done particularly well from later picks and rookie picks in the last 5 or 6 years. Meanwhile we've been wasting list spots on the likes of Tunbridge, Lucas and Morton

 

[SpaceClef]

Sydney, St Kilda, the Bulldogs & Melbourne have done particularly well from later picks and rookie picks in the last 5 or 6 years. Meanwhile we've been wasting list spots on the likes of Tunbridge, Lucas and Morton

Bennell, Dick, JON, Bedford, etc.

I dunno, sometimes recycled players work but most of the guys we have done it with have been either ruined by injury or proven spuds that we somehow think we can transform.

The list was just to show that in any given week, the players contributing to their team's success are not just those who were lucky enough to be taken with super early picks.

 

[mattyc75]

Bennell, Dick, JON, Bedford, etc.

I dunno, sometimes recycled players work but most of the guys we have done it with have been either ruined by injury or proven spuds that we somehow think we can transform.

The list was just to show that in any given week, the players contributing to their team's success are not just those who were lucky enough to be taken with super early picks.

I had high hopes for those guys,except Bedford had never heard of him.

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[RookiePick]

SpaceClef came in like a wreeeecking baaall.

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[Dark Sharks]

Biggest eyebrow raise for me with Bonds post was when he claimed Duggan will prove to be an excellent player.

With all do respect, says who? What is he doing right now that suggests this?

Like many others i saw a bright and exciting first year from Duggan, clearly everyone was buoyed and had high hopes for him in 2016 to not only be in the best 22 but contribute.

His 2nd season was disappointing. His skills remarkably got worse and his inability to find the football was made apparent. Questions were raised about the development of our young midfield depth as he played unremarkable WAFL.

Another season rolls around and he's still playing unremarkable WAFL, his skills still aren't reaching the heights of his first year, and he's not impacting games enough. More posessions sure, but like all the other EP mids I'd attribute that a fair bit to the "flick the ball around overpossess" gamestyle they play.

Venables is arguably impacting WAFL on limited minutes more than Liam is right now.

I'm not having a go, just asking the question what makes you think he's bound to be an excellent player?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Here are players named in AFL.com's 'Team of the Week' for the last round, who were taken with picks outside of the first round:

Hartigan _ Rookie
Harbrow _ Rookie
Witts _ 67
Hunt _ 57
Fasolo _ 45
Sloane _ 44
Schade _ 24
Fyfe _ 20

Here are some more players named in AFL.com's best players for each match on the weekend, all taken with picks outside of the first round. I got bored looking them up after a while and haven't even included them all:

Blicavs _ Rookie
Dahlhaus _ Rookie
Jong _ Rookie
Laird _ Rookie
Lloyd _ Rookie
Sandilands _ Rookie
Henderson _ Rookie
S Martin _ PSD
Rockliff _ PSD
Suckling _ 70
Butler _ 67
Darcy-Jones _ 52
Montagna _ 37
Newnes _ 37
Shiels _ 34
Hamling _ 32
Hannebery _ 30
Beams _ 29
Otten _ 27
Ross _ 25
Shuey _ 20

The context of my reply was 1. post-2011 draft (GC/GWS era) and 2. top end talent, not just solid contributors. Given there's 396 players running around in any given round, just the sheer number of post 1st round draftees means you will be able to build a list like the above.

Of the players you listed, how many would be genuine a-graders?
Sloane, Fyfe, Dahlhaus, Laird, Sandilands, Martin, Rockliff, Montagna, Hannebery, Beams, Shuey?
Of that list, Laird is the only one that was drafted post-2011

Not disputing that we have made errors in drafting, but replacing a McInness with a Fasolo won't make us a better side. Replacing a McInness with an O'Meara, J.Martin, Treloar, Coniglio, Whitfield, Bontempelli, etc would.

 

[dave123]

The one thing we lack is a big midfielder

now Elliot yeo I feel might become that but I think his best spot is a defender who can pinch hit

 

[Logue]

Biggest blunder in recent years was Sheed over Acres.

 

[eagles rule]

Biggest blunder in recent years was Sheed over Acres.

Do you think Acres is better than Patrick Cripps ?

 

[Logue]

Do you think Acres is better than Patrick Cripps ?

No doubt.

Cripps has had on-going stress fractures for years, that and he's one dimensional, a very good one dimensional player that is but give it time, you'll see Acres reveal himself as having the highest ceiling.