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What is worrying about the first part? The youngest Brownlow winner around was drafted 7 years ago, so a lot of teams should be worried by that standard.
Roast WC Need to do Something About Their Recruiting.
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The part about the Brownlow is a response to the previous poster implying we have 3 "recent" brownlow medalists and it is good going.
How many sides have not one B22 regular in their midfield from the past 6 years of drafts? Maybe it is more common than I suspect but I doubt it.
I think your analysis reinforces that you need early picks to pick the real top end talent these days, it's incredibly hard to find a roughie and very few of our picks were utterly wrong. With GC & GWS hoarding early picks for years, where we find ourselves with our list is about where you would expect it to be.
We need to push for a flag 2017 and assess thereafter if we need a rebuild. If we're not genuinely challenging this year then it's a bit naïve to think we have enough improvement in our list to be challenging in 2018+, especially with the lists GWS, GC & Melbourne are building.
We have some talented kids, but I don't see where the next star is coming from. None of the kids look like becoming our next Matera/Cousins/Judd match winner.
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Compromised drafts have ****ed most teams who haven't bottomed out completely, stuck in no man's land drafting wise.
We don't have an academy or a huge lure as far as free agency goes so we're basically building a list with one arm tied back.
We don't have an academy or a huge lure as far as free agency goes so we're basically building a list with one arm tied back.
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Fair enough. I definitely agree the other point is extremely concerning.
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It is cause for slight concern but Sheed will likely be a lock as will Hutchings not exciting I know but Simmo loves him and then Duggan plus Partington should be ready when Priddis and Mitchell retire ....
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That's a very uninspiring midfield group. Just a bunch of solid guys with no particularly outstanding skills.
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That's right not too exciting and just plugging a few holes but those positions are what they were drafted for ..
If we were to target a midfielder to lead these brave band of warriors than that could be the answer to the dire situation we find ourselves in today .
Maybe VeNna Is the answer building his minutes in the WAFL ,waiting to get the approval from the medicos ..
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It is hard to go wrong (unless you are Melbourne) with very early draft picks. The hard part (which we haven't done well on a consistent basis) is to identify real talent with later ND picks and rookie picks. For a while our rookie list was reserved for discards from other clubs - Kane Lucas spent 2 years on the list before getting delisted without playing a game.
Except may be McGovern, when was the last time we were excited with a rookie listed player as we are now with Watson?
Except may be McGovern, when was the last time we were excited with a rookie listed player as we are now with Watson?
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It's really simplistic to talk about pure stats without background.
2011 - WC were really happy to get Newman (in particular) and McInnes. Newman went off rails and McInnes hasn't progressed. That's life and realistically only Neale who was drafted afterwards has been consistently good.
2012 - Wellingham and Cripps in were no brainers at the time and with the benefit of hindsight I would still have made those choices. Colledge was not successful but Hutchings has been quite acceptable and looking through selections from #18 onwards there's not much there to suggest WC made the wrong choices that year.
2013 - Scharenberg has been unlucky, but wouldn't have taken Aish, Salem or Freeman ahead of Sheed. Doing the deal with Collingwood allowed Yeo to be traded in - another win. Karpany hasn't come on but who would have been taken between #31 and Barrass at #43. Pearce ?. After that only Ben Brown and maybe Sicily have done anything.
2014 - Duggan - great choice and will prove an excellent player. Lamb at the time had the X factor everyone was crying out for and Nelson has been good. Lever has been excellent as has been Daniel, whilst Weller, Blakely and Touk Miller are honourable mentions but hardly well in front of Duggan.
2015 - With Selwood going and Priddis needing assistance and Redden was available. Smart choice at the time not quite worked as expected but heading in the right direction. Jetta and his leg speed was also a no-brainer and at the time to swap with Sinclair was a win to WC. Partington went #28 and Cole#36 - both running talent - time will tell whether they are or aren't successful. Sure Marcus Adams was there but WC hardly needed defenders and give me a name after that you'd rather have.
2016 - too early to tell
So I can understand the argument but it doesn't tell the whole story. Apart from exceptional players like Patrick Cripps many of the younger players who have played a lot of games have been in the either the poorer performing teams or ones beset with injuries.
I think when looking at things as a whole, WC's recruiting has been very good over this period and I think their drafting has been exceptional all things being equal. I think the only criticism that can be levelled is they were too slow in free agency but 1) it's hard to get older players here as they know they have to travel every second week and 2) that changed last year with Mitchell and Petrie.
So I can understand PBN's post and his argument, and TBH it has some validity but only some
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Does he go by the nickname "Nearly"?
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Funnily enough we could nearly do with him right now. He would be our No. 1 ruckman.
That's pretty rose-tinted lenses stuff mate. You should write propaganda for the West Coast Eagles instead of that Nathan Schmook fella.
He probably is Nathan Schmook...
Can't say I particularly disagree with his reasoning though but the one that gets me is Lamb over McGovern. Having said that, Lamb was highly rated and not expected to fall so far in his draft year so I can understand why our recruiters pounced on him. I also find it especially funny that the majority of supporters on this board were whinging about how vanilla our selections have been over the years, including Duggan, then when we pick Lamb those same people pissed and moaned that we didn't go Blakely instead, who is another vanilla player who can't kick
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Would be interested in your thought on SPP V Venables.
SPP has had a pretty impressive start to his AFL career and the question marks on his foot skills don't seem to be being exposed at the next level.
I do see the skill set that Venables brings to our list and I hope that his projected impact comes to fruition.
I also love the raw aggression / grunt and the leadership that SPP has already showed with Port.
Hopefully it a win for both Clubs.
For me it isn't our senior list drafting so much over this period (although development seems to be an issue), it is the use of our rookie picks and retention of players who are not going to make it for too long on the list. We seem to be rectifying this now somewhat (at least in the last draft). I understand that most rookie's won't make it but some do and it is a perfect place for developing talls/rucks (as we have done in the past) and for taking a punt on a wild card type player that may or may not come good. Other team's discards and demotion of players from the main list who can't cut it, is a waste. Also holding on to players who simply won't make it (whether on the main list or rookie list) several years too long without taking a punt on others deeper in the draft has limited our chances of finding a gem and having better depth.
Maybe - how about you going back 6 years and play "pretend recruiter". Be honest and make your choices and see what you come up with avoiding hindsight. I'll start - back in 2008 I argued for Hannebery and Blease after NN.
Hi Monocle - I believe venables has a higher ceiling based on things like pace, ability to find space, disposal off both wings, ability to read ball. Completely different players and would work well together.
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