WCE peak Judd was better than peak GAJ and peak Dustin Martin

[blaisee]

No one in history has managed to earn dustys resume of three norm smiths and 3 player of the finals as awarded by the coaches .

If the purpose of playing football is to win flags , dusty stands on his own

No one has done it like he has.

He is just too good in finals and most of the time is the best player and match winner when it counts especially prelims and grand finals , when it really matters

Infact there is daylight between him and
his modern peers n the stuff that matters, standing up and doing it when it counts .

He will be remembered as the greatest of all time and rightly so .

What a privilege it has been, and it ain’t over yet .

 

[My Cotchin Rules]

In my opinion there is daylight between GAJ and Dusty at their peak, the fact that you think that is trolling but are completely impartial to the other unrelated nonsense being bandied around just proves where your motives actually lie.

Well that's your opinion & frankly doesn't count for much. Because you're renowned to be very bias when it comes to Geelong and a notorious Richmond troll. The only decent Cat poster is PhatBoy and I'm more than happy to take his opinions.
Daylight is a ridiculous call. Read the neutrals posts they're both champions of our game have had different impacts in certain games. I can't spilt them.

 

[PhatBoy]

No one in history has managed to earn dustys resume of three norm smiths and 3 player of the finals as awarded by the coaches .

If the purpose of playing football is to win flags , dusty stands on his own

No one has done it like he has.

He is just too good in finals and most of the time is the best player and match winner when it counts especially prelims and grand finals , when it really matters

Infact there is daylight between him and
his modern peers n the stuff that matters, standing up and doing it when it counts .

He will be remembered as the greatest of all time and rightly so .

What a privilege it has been, and it ain’t over yet .

By you and a handful of tigers fans. No one else.

 

[PhatBoy]

Well that's your opinion & frankly doesn't count for much. Because you're renowned to be very bias when it comes to Geelong and a notorious Richmond troll. The only decent Cat poster is PhatBoy and I'm more than happy to take his opinions.
Daylight is a ridiculous call. Read the neutrals posts they're both champions of our game have had different impacts in certain games. I can't spilt them.

Right back atcha mate.
Wojinski is a good poster though and generally more than capable of using reason and logic to arrive at his conclusions

 

[blaisee]

So Dusty shitting the bed in the '18 PF shows that he can turn a middling team into a dynasty team?

Do you even read what you write? If Dusty was the best to ever play the game like you claim, wouldn't he have stood up and won the PF in 2018?

This is hilarious

A geelong supporter doubting dusty in finals lol .

He has single handedly ripped the cats apart in finals time after time .

Geelong are his bunnies he loves pumping pussy in September

 

[Falcon3518]

So hang on, because he might want to win somewhere else he’s a bad person?

Do you ever listen to yourself?

What? If he wanted to win another flag he would’ve stayed at the cats as they were still in the window. Please don’t act stupid here, everybody knows he left for the money and not to win another flag at the Suns. It’s ok.



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[PhatBoy]

This is hilarious

A geelong supporter doubting dusty in finals lol .

He has single handedly ripped the cats apart in finals time after time .

Geelong are his bunnies he loves pumping pussy in September

He is literally applying the same all-encompassing logic as your fellow Tigers fan who seems to pick and choose a game or two at a time and using it to form an opinion that literally no other analysis could lead someone to

 

[blaisee]

He is literally applying the same all-encompassing logic as your fellow Tigers fan who seems to pick and choose a game or two at a time and using it to form an opinion that literally no other analysis could lead someone to

Dusty is the biggest nightmare for Geelong . Just ask Colin carter lol

You can have your crazy opinions buddy , but I have my memories , and they are marvelous , 3 norm smiths and the last one was probably my favorite . Thank you so much for being part of the journey

 

[Wojcinski]

Well that's your opinion & frankly doesn't count for much. Because you're renowned to be very bias when it comes to Geelong and a notorious Richmond troll. The only decent Cat poster is PhatBoy and I'm more than happy to take his opinions.
Daylight is a ridiculous call. Read the neutrals posts they're both champions of our game have had different impacts in certain games. I can't spilt them.

I never said Dusty wasn't a champion, I said at their peak GAJ and Judd were even better. Read a little bit of the thread before stomping your boots

 

[PhatBoy]

What? If he wanted to win another flag he would’ve stayed at the cats as they were still in the window. Please don’t act stupid here, everybody knows he left for the money and not to win another flag at the Suns. It’s ok.



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Sorry did I miss something? Was Geelong, who were at BEST the third best side in the comp, the only side he could consider winning a flag with? That’s an interesting take.

Because of your stupid ‘I said it so it must be true’ approach to just about anything, you are incapable of seeing past the nose on your face.

How the hell do you know that, in addition to money which of course was a factor and is a factor in EVERY player’s career decisions, Ablett didn’t think ‘ok if I stay at Geelong I’ll probably play more finals in the next few years but we got belted this year and St Kilda and Collingwood have probably gone past us. Maybe if I stay I can help us win another one. But I’ve already won 2 at Geelong. Maybe if I go to the Suns I can actually make a bit of history and actually be part of a push for a flag - what a challenge, what a tick in the box for my legacy if I could go there and help get a new club to the top.’


Literally what means do you have of knowing that scenario isn’t what happened? Are you psychic? Sleeping with the Suns inaugural recruitment team?
Are you Brandon Stark and ThreeEyed Raven from GoT and can see every conversation and moment that’s ever taken place?

Tell us. We are all waiting.

 

[PhatBoy]

Dusty is the biggest nightmare for Geelong . Just ask Colin carter lol

You can have your crazy opinions buddy , but I have my memories , and they are marvelous , 3 norm smiths and the last one was probably my favorite . Thank you so much for being part of the journey

Couldn’t be more pleased for you. He joins a list that includes almost every player we’ve met in a final for a decade as being more successful than us. Doesn’t address anything really though does it

 

[Wojcinski]

This is hilarious

A geelong supporter doubting dusty in finals lol .

He has single handedly ripped the cats apart in finals time after time .

Geelong are his bunnies he loves pumping pussy in September

Looks like your reading proficiency is as good as intelligibility

 

[blaisee]

I never said Dusty wasn't a champion, I said at their peak GAJ and Judd were even better. Read a little bit of the thread before stomping your boots

The irony of this all is that , without the Geelong football club , dusty would not have been the goat . But due to the finals he dominated , when he ripped apart Geelong , he will now be considered the greatest ever , especially the last norm smith and flag that was the one that sealed it forever . Thank you Geelong :

 

[blaisee]

Looks like your reading proficiency is as good as intelligibility

Denial won’t change it mate

3 flags , 3 norm smiths and 3 Gary Ayers medals , jo one comes close , and it’s all thanks to Geelong lol

 

[PhatBoy]

The irony of this all is that , without the Geelong football club , dusty would not have been my goat . But due to the finals he dominated , when he ripped apart Geelong , he will now be considered the greatest ever, by Me, especially the last norm smith and flag that was the one that sealed it forever . Thank you Geelong :

FTFY

 

[My Cotchin Rules]

I never said Dusty wasn't a champion, I said at their peak GAJ and Judd were even better. Read a little bit of the thread before stomping your boots

Huh.. David, I never accused you of saying Dusty wasn't a champion.... I quoted, "both are champions of our game". That was seperate to calling you out for suggesting there is daylight between them at their peak without any real evidence to suggest why??
Go on I'm happy to read why you think it's daylight between them at their 'peak'. ..real hard facts & accomplishments please.

 

[ferrisb]

Flashy footballer appears to be better but others win the premierships

(Luke Hodge)

Flashy footballer is better but others are preferred by biased supporters.

(Davo23)

 

[PrinceCharles]

This is hilarious

A geelong supporter doubting dusty in finals lol .

He has single handedly ripped the cats apart in finals time after time .

Geelong are his bunnies he loves pumping pussy in September

You talk about the three years that you were good like it's the entire history of the AFL.

 

[PrinceCharles]

What? If he wanted to win another flag he would’ve stayed at the cats as they were still in the window. Please don’t act stupid here, everybody knows he left for the money and not to win another flag at the Suns. It’s ok.



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No they don't, if you were capable of rational thought back then you would know that people expected the expansion teams to dominate the competition. The challenge of making his own legacy away from his psycho dad would have been way more appealing than the dollars.

 

[dean33]

The NS is a subjective award which is voted on by media personalities and you keep using it as a determining factor in who has a better peak because it suits your narrative, nothing you say will change mine or anyone elses mind.

What year was Ablett jnr peak better than Dusty’s 2017? I’ll wait.

 

[Wojcinski]

What year was Ablett jnr peak better than Dusty’s 2017? I’ll wait.

2007-2014

 

[dean33]

2007-2014

Ok this is where you struggle with the word “peak.” If you want to start a thread saying that Ablett jnr was a better overall player than Dusty during their entire careers that’s fine and you’d have many people agree with you, however peak over one season? No one gets close to Dusty’s 2017.
In the words of the great leigh matthews, “the greatest individual season we’ve ever witnessed.”

 

[Wojcinski]

Ok this is where you struggle with the word “peak.” If you want to start a thread saying that Ablett jnr was a better overall player than Dusty during their entire careers that’s fine and you’d have many people agree with you, however peak over one season? No one gets close to Dusty’s 2017.
In the words of the great leigh matthews, “the greatest individual season we’ve ever witnessed.”

Single season would be 2010 then. GAJ 2010 > Dusty 2017. Even Danger had a better H&A season in 2017 than Dusty

 

[PrinceCharles]

Ok this is where you struggle with the word “peak.” If you want to start a thread saying that Ablett jnr was a better overall player than Dusty during their entire careers that’s fine and you’d have many people agree with you, however peak over one season? No one gets close to Dusty’s 2017.
In the words of the great leigh matthews, “the greatest individual season we’ve ever witnessed.”

In 2017 Dusty got a sniff of the air around Jnr's bootlaces.

 

[PhatBoy]

Ok this is where you struggle with the word “peak.” If you want to start a thread saying that Ablett jnr was a better overall player than Dusty during their entire careers that’s fine and you’d have many people agree with you, however peak over one season? No one gets close to Dusty’s 2017.
In the words of the great leigh matthews, “the greatest individual season we’ve ever witnessed.”

Achievement not quality.
Martin was head and shoulders above everyone that year and won every award possible etc etc and good luck to him. Most dominant season perhaps and most decorated season.

Doesn’t mean it was the highest level someone’s reached.

A cursory comparison between his 2017 and GAJ’s 2014 shows Ablett either marginally or clearly ahead in literally every stat available on Footywire except behind, inside 50s and uncontested possessions.
And yeah obviously the first thing anyone would is ‘yeah but Martin won a flag and a norm smith.’

All that does as far as team achievements go is prove his ability to help an already good side be better. In 2014 Ablett had a team of kids 9-6 with a soft draw to finish, before getting hurt and they lost all but one remaining game. So while he didn’t win a flag he did show just how much he could help his side succeed on a team level. He also nearly won a brownlow in those 15 games.
He kicked more goals per game, had more touches, had far more contested touches (ironic considering how much his critics want to criticise him for ‘give and go handballs’), made more tackles, disposed of the ball more efficiently, had less clangers despite having more ball, all of which happened despite having far more opposition attention than any midfielder this century from opposition.

I would say the level Ablett reached that season is beyond any level most players ever have reached. That’s without bothering to take a look at his numbers in his brownlow seasons, or his flag seasons etc etc.

Sure 2014 Ablett didn’t achieve any of the honours of Martin in 2017. That’s indisputable.
Did his play reach the same level?

By every metric known to afl analysts, yes. He surpassed it.