WCE peak Judd was better than peak GAJ and peak Dustin Martin

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Dude you have no clue, five b&f three in premiership years, 4 times leading goalkicker mostly playing on the ball, big game finals player, Norm Smith medalist, would have won multiple if they were around before 79, far better than the Ablett's or any Collingwood player of the last 60 years for that matter too

Bartlett was a magnificent player. Right up there in Richmond's all time greats.

Disagree about the Abletts (especially senior), but that doesn't diminish how good he was. His 1980 season - 84 goals at 33 years of age, freakishly good.
 
Bartlett was a magnificent player. Right up there in Richmond's all time greats.

Disagree about the Abletts (especially senior), but that doesn't diminish how good he was. His 1980 season - 84 goals at 33 years of age, freakishly good.
If KB played as a forward his whole career he would have gotten close to 1500 goals
 
GAJ & Dustys ability to kick multiple goals consistently put them ahead.
Its splitting hears though.

Side note...Richmond offered pick 2 (Cotchin) and 18 (Rance) to WCE for Judd....
If Judd had came to Richmond in 2007 I doubt we finish 2nd bottom in 09 to then go on and draft Dusty
 
Judd's the 3rd best player since the turn of the century (after GAJ and Buddy).

He's easily circa Top 30.

I don't think it's that easy at all. There have been a lot of great players. Lots of great midfielders as well. Judd's peak was pretty brief and he was comfortably eclipsed by Ablett. You could easily argue Martin's peak was as good, at least as influential, and his finals record was unquestionably better.
 
I don't think it's that easy at all. There have been a lot of great players. Lots of great midfielders as well. Judd's peak was pretty brief and he was comfortably eclipsed by Ablett. You could easily argue Martin's peak was as good, at least as influential, and his finals record was unquestionably better.
Judd's peak was brief?

He won Brownlows (2), AFLPA MVP's (2) in different seasons to his Brownlows, club best and fairests (5) and All-Australians (6) over 8 seasons between 2004 and 2011!

You might also want to have a closer look at Judd's finals performances, because like all great players, he was also a great finals performer. Most would have Martin ahead, but the gap isn't as large as you'd think...
 
Judd's peak was brief?

He won Brownlows (2), AFLPA MVP's (2) in different seasons to his Brownlows, club best and fairests (5) and All-Australians (6) over 8 seasons between 2004 and 2011!

You might also want to have a closer look at Judd's finals performances, because like all great players, he was also a great finals performer. Most would have Martin ahead, but the gap isn't as large as you'd think...

Judd copped a true tag during his time at Carlton as well. A time when every team in the competition had designated taggers.
 

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Not sure I’ve seen a better game played than that day at the Gabba when Judd had 39 touches (28 contested), 7 inside 50s, 8 tackles and 4 goals.

Maybe a game or two that Ablett Sr played was similar in terms of one player’s dominance.

The thing was… it wasn’t just the numbers, as it sometimes is with others. It was more than that - he was unstoppable.

It was like 911. Every footy fan remembers where they were & what they were doing when he went ballistic
 

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WCE peak Judd was better than peak GAJ and peak Dustin Martin

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