WCE v Carlton umpiring - a small bit of perspective

[fpm84]

And we cop biased crowds every second week - maybe your crowds need to become a bit more passionate and thus influence the umpires

So you're admitting that WCE home crowds "influence the umpires" to pay decisions that are either borderline or not there?

FWIW, anybody who has been to a game at Geelong will tell you that it's a very hostile venue for opposition supporters. But as I said in my initial post, we don't end up with 10+ threads about the umpires after every game we play there...

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

How many threads on Joel Selwood's free kick count has there been over the years though?

 

[Blues_Man]

Of course I am an eagles fan but ignore that for a moment and deal with the facts.

1. Daniel Kerr got done twice on the same rule Aaron Joseph did with the holding the ball. Both were in the Carlton forward half and one resulted in what would have been a shot at goal had the player who received the free not handpass off to a team mate who was run down by Darling. Last time a checked a free kick was a free kick no matter where it takes place on the ground. I agree it is a ridiculous rule but it was paid both ways.

2. There were a couple of clear throws/dropping the ball let go on both sides so deal with it, none more so than one by a carlton player on the half back flank late in third quarter which was about a blantant a throw you will see.

3. The Judd 50m penalty was the softest thing of all time.

4. Garlett's free that resulted in a set shot and then goal was a soft as butter in the 2nd term and was debateable whether it was there but you win a few you lose a few.

The fact is you can pull out an many examples of frees/non frees each week to create any arguement you like but it goes both ways pretty much every game. Some get paid, some get missed!

You are right ..you are a biased eagles supporter ...you should have stopped there .
Anyone who thinks Garletts free was anything other than a blatant free is either extremely biased of just plain ignorant .
And Kerrs holding the ball decision was outside the 50 ...but nice try tho .

 

[Blues_Man]

At this point it's pretty clear that opposition supporters are just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. Most of their arguments barely make sense and are completely inconsistent.

Apparently it's all the home ground umpiring, yet they complain just as much when we play away from home. Then they complain about how one sided the umpiring is, even when the free kick count is even. When we lose and the free kick count isn't one sided all of a sudden we haven't had a good run with the umps despite some conspiracy that apparently they're trying to get us to win the flag.

It's ridiculous.

But the stats show that the free kick countsd aren't even when anyone plays the eagles ...nearlly two to one in the eagles favour so far this year . eagles supporters need ot stop trying to defend the indifensible..facts are facts .

 

[Gizza]

ITT: Half the people complaining about West Coasts free kick differential and the other half saying the free kick count doesn't matter when it's pointed out they only won the free kick count by 2.

 

[Astro Bomber]

And we cop biased crowds every second week - maybe your crowds need to become a bit more passionate and thus influence the umpires

Blind passion not always good. You can be passionate and have no clue about the rules of a game.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

The big differential games are the Melbourne, Hawthorn, and North games. Melbourne were useless full stop, and North gave away free constantly from poor tackles. Both games West Coast's tackling technique was decidedly better.

Hawthorn might be a different case, however of the +10 difference there, Buddy gave away 7. Most of those were due to careless attack of the player cause by frustration.



Really? Why? What decisions made you barrack for Carlton?

On your first points, I don't agree that the only reason is as you suggest. But let's go to your last point.

Let me get this straight. I think the umpiring was the least biased at Subi for WCE all year. For most the game there were poor decisions either way. However there have been many games at Subi this year involving WCE where the home bias was unwatchable, so while the umpiring was better, a few decisions stood out due to the past. Admittedly there were really only 2 that were howlers, however they both resulted in gifted goals in a game decided by 10 points. Regardless I think WCE would most likely have won so I'm not saying Carlton were robbed.

I really hate Carlton, so only barracked for them a little while after a couple of crucial decisions but my hate for them brought me back to West Coast.

These were the decisions (bolded were the howlers that really annoyed me):
11:31 into the second quarter. Crowd HTB decision that gifted WCE a goal.
19:51 into the second quarter. The ball was within 5 metres, Glass was out bodied in the side.
15:02 into the third quarter. Both players are holding each other.
14:50 into the last quarter. Judd barely made any contact to Priddis. Not mention the umpire stayed in Judd's face after awarding the 50m penalty. Usually I would enjoy watching this against Judd but really it was pathetic all around.

 

[yibbida]

I enjoy the noticeable lack of actual examples of these shocking free kicks.

that took about 2 seconds to find, want any more?

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

And we cop biased crowds every second week - maybe your crowds need to become a bit more passionate and thus influence the umpires

You might cop biased crowds, but you don't cop biased crowds with umpires that are affected by them.

 

[Just do something]

All i say is that 50mtr penalty against Judd was ridiculous. Umps need to get some perspective when players are baiting each other.

 

[Gizza]

that took about 2 seconds to find, want any more?

Sure. How about the one if the first quarter which was an even more blatant drop against the Carlton player 15m out directly in front of our goal which also wasn't paid.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

But the stats show that the free kick countsd aren't even when anyone plays the eagles ...nearlly two to one in the eagles favour so far this year . eagles supporters need ot stop trying to defend the indifensible..facts are facts .

But they were even last night, or as good as. So what's the real issue?

 

[Galileo9]

yes, because of those 17 clubs, 16 have nothing to do with the game, and you say they only attack other clubs but there were two out there on the paddock.

Read the other thread, people hate defending Carlton on anything, and honestly speaking, no one cares about WCE over here. I know someone posted the hate is back, but other than a "yeah they are looking good now", any discussions I've had about you proceed no further. Much more focused on the Pies, Bombers, Hawks, North and Dees - WCE are barely on the radar.

So the question is asked, why are all these impartial supporters picking to defend a team they hate rather than one they don't give a toss about? The only people saying WCE are not getting a golden run with the umps are WCE supporters...and you seriously think we are all one eyed?!?

not really. all other clubs complain about Carlton and its tanking etc and havent seen yet one carlton supporters saying "well if 17 other clubs say it, it must be true". the arguement is the same here. facts are for us majority of opposition fans that whinge are the ones that we have already played and complained about free kick count or the ones that see us as a threat for their own premiership ambitions.

but again, i dont see you complaining about carltons 17-9 free kick advantage post quarter time. unless the complaint is that we actually get a free kick at all. let me give you a tip about why we win the free kick count. because vic clubs dont travel well and dont hold it together when they play here. maybe its the plane flight or different time zone. thats your issue. not ours. rest of issues are umpiring issues as a whole. afl cant deal with imaginary minds of supporters. maybe umpires should stop playing free kicks purely because its lob sided and nothing else. aint going to happen.

we are apparently ridiculous but apparently saying there is some sort of agenda is not ridiculous.

 

[neng]

that took about 2 seconds to find, want any more?

Admittedly the free kick is there, but there is also very little prior opportunity. Line ball. Could have been paid and I would not have disagreed.

I still don't understand the hate for our crowd being passionate and supposedly winning us free kicks? It's not a one-club exclusive thing, any club could gain that sort of advantage.

 

[fpm84]

How many threads on Joel Selwood's free kick count has there been over the years though?

A lot, that's true. But one player being treated favorably by the umpires is different to people believing the umpiring at an entire match is one sided.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

that took about 2 seconds to find, want any more?

"Did he kick it or handball it?" Neither, Warnock knocked it out in the tackle.

Add in BT saying "well there was one tackle for each side that could have been paid there".

So yeah, another example would be good.

 

[Galileo9]

Admittedly the free kick is there, but there is also very little prior opportunity. Line ball. Could have been paid and I would not have disagreed.

I still don't understand the hate for our crowd being passionate and supposedly winning us free kicks? It's not a one-club exclusive thing, any club could gain that sort of advantage.

no when victorian crowd does that its called passion. when we do it, we are small minded two team backward fans.

 

[yibbida]

ITT: Half the people complaining about West Coasts free kick differential and the other half saying the free kick count doesn't matter when it's pointed out they only won the free kick count by 2.

Just because these threads are flooded with Eagles fans defending the umpires and the free kicks they receive doesn't mean it is half saying one thing and half saying the other. If you took Carlton and Eagles fans out of this discussion it would be 99% complaining and 1% saying it doesn't matter.

Also the reason these threads come up every week is because it is clear to everyone what is going on. It really says more about the Eagles and their fans that they either think it is a "Victorian" agenda against them or that they actually don't get favored by the umpires on a regular basis and their players (with the exception of Priddis) don't play for free kicks.

 

[Andrew Mc]

Personally I think Margetts is part of the issue. He was a disgrace in the Ess/Sydney match last week - totally influenced by the home town crowd, so I'm sure he was even worse in his home town.

 

[Andrew Mc]

that took about 2 seconds to find, want any more?

Suggest you find a better example. Sweet f.a. prior opportunity in that one, and it was knocked out in the tackle.

 

[Galileo9]

Just because these threads are flooded with Eagles fans defending the umpires and the free kicks they receive doesn't mean it is half saying one thing and half saying the other. If you took Carlton and Eagles fans out of this discussion it would be 99% complaining and 1% saying it doesn't matter.

Also the reason these threads come up every week is because it is clear to everyone what is going on. It really says more about the Eagles and their fans that they either think it is a "Victorian" agenda against them or that they actually don't get favored by the umpires on a regular basis and their players (with the exception of Priddis) don't play for free kicks.

I doubt it. 99% of other fans hate carlton more than us. as for victorain agenda, it is the victorians who started that free kick count must be due to wa umpires.

a for other points , bit like carlton defending tanking claims when its clear to everyone what is going on.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

not really. all other clubs complain about Carlton and its tanking etc and havent seen yet one carlton supporters saying "well if 17 other clubs say it, it must be true". the arguement is the same here. facts are for us majority of opposition fans that whinge are the ones that we have already played and complained about free kick count or the ones that see us as a threat for their own premiership ambitions.

but again, i dont see you complaining about carltons 17-9 free kick advantage post quarter time. unless the complaint is that we actually get a free kick at all. let me give you a tip about why we win the free kick count. because vic clubs dont travel well and dont hold it together when they play here. maybe its the plane flight or different time zone. thats your issue. not ours. rest of issues are umpiring issues as a whole. afl cant deal with imaginary minds of supporters. maybe umpires should stop playing free kicks purely because its lob sided and nothing else. aint going to happen.

we are apparently ridiculous but apparently saying there is some sort of agenda is not ridiculous.

this makes no sense, I barrack for Richmond, and we have played both you and Carlton - and lost to you both, so who do I bitch about given this? Also, what premiership ambitions do most fans have who barrack for the Tigers, Dogs, Saints, Kangas, etc? None unless you are a deluded fool, so again, how is WCE curtailing our premiership ambitions?

Again, there is no great WCE hate in this town, we are more preoccupied hating each other over here.

 

[QS]

I think all this talk of WCE umpiring is a deflection from Victoria having too many clubs in the AFL.

 

[Goldfish]

Personally I think Margetts is part of the issue. He was a disgrace in the Ess/Sydney match last week - totally influenced by the home town crowd, so I'm sure he was even worse in his home town.

No, ask any Eagle supporter, we hate Margetts. He's just a poor umpire.

 

[Galileo9]

this makes no sense, I barrack for Richmond, and we have played both you and Carlton - and lost to you both, so who do I bitch about given this? Also, what premiership ambitions do most fans have who barrack for the Tigers, Dogs, Saints, Kangas, etc? None unless you are a deluded fool, so again, how is WCE curtailing our premiership ambitions?

Again, there is no great WCE hate in this town, we are more preoccupied hating each other over here.

well you won the free kick count against carlton. i can see why you wouldnt complain about that. the amount of times a free isnt paid against reiwoldt for pushing in the back is a crime.

as for premiership ambitions, maybe we were a threat to you finishing 9th and didnt like that.