WCE v Carlton umpiring - a small bit of perspective

[Blue Dangerfield]

It is time we had professional umpires!

It won't stop bad or missed decisions, but it will take some of the ambiguity out of the game.

I'm not suggesting that the umps were biased last night, but, by having all WA umps the AFL leaves themselves open to criticism.

note: this will never happen as it creates news, and raises the profile of the AFL. Any publicity is good publicity.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

It is time we had professional umpires!

It won't stop bad or missed decisions, but it will take some of the ambiguity out of the game.

I'm not suggesting that the umps were biased last night, but, by having all WA umps the AFL leaves themselves open to criticism.

Apparently the umpires all being from WA was deliberate as the game coincided with the 60th anniversary of the WA Umpires Association.

Consequently Rosebury flew over especially from Melbourne, where he's been living for the past 10 years (I didn't know that).

 

[Ugottabjokin]

For a sport that boasts how professional it is in so many areas and leading the world in things such as the drug policy how come we cannot have full time umpires. All umpires have what is considered their first job and then they have their second job of umpiring. That means in a professional sport we don't have 1 professional umpire. This will mean the continued variances of rule interpretations every week with some rules then highlighted and then forgotten about a few weeks later.

As far as WCE go this year the fact is they have recieved the most free kicks for being 39 in front of the next best Port who have yet to play this week but have played just as many games to date as they haven't had the bye yet. Also they are 3rd last for free kicks against being 2 better off than Adelaide and 8 better than the Doggies who both have to play yet this weekend to be on the same amount of games played.

So by the end of this round WCE will have the most free kicks for and the least free kicks against. Is it me or as Macbeth would say 'something is rotten in Denmark'.

 

[asanque]

Umpiring has been abysmal for years and it will never get any better with Vlad, Anderson and Giesch in charge.

They are too busy getting sponsors for the sub to further line their hip pockets.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

As far as WCE go this year the fact is they have recieved the most free kicks for being 39 in front of the next best Port who have yet to play this week but have played just as many games to date as they haven't had the bye yet. Also they are 3rd last for free kicks against being 2 better off than Adelaide and 8 better than the Doggies who both have to play yet this weekend to be on the same amount of games played.

So by the end of this round WCE will have the most free kicks for and the least free kicks against. Is it me or as Macbeth would say 'something is rotten in Denmark'.

This is already been put down again, more than once.

 

[campbell]

When we're playing our 600th game and Fremantle have a bye, you'd expect the media coverage to be little off 50/50.

except last week. fremantle were playing richmond and west coast had the bye.....go figure.so no fremantle media all west coast.

you know it aint all about west coast. you are a two tram town, except one team is isolated by the media. shame really .

 

[Ugottabjokin]

This is already been put down again, more than once.

Excellent effort at the worst grammatcal sentence for 10 words or less.

So i didn't bother reading all the posts in the threads. Oooh shoot me. Doesn't change the fact the Eagles have recieved the most free kicks and by the end of the round will have the least paid against them.

IMO i don't believe that be a basic statistical anomly.

 

[Zombie Woof]

By who? Eagles fans?

You don't sound like you want to know.

 

[uncojo]

So if Western Australian born umpires were paying free kicks to the eagles I can't wait to hear what the opposition fans will be saying next time Jordan Bannister pays a few free kicks to the blues (for the record I think Jordan is a great umpire) but I'm just sayin....

 

[Generalissimo]

Is it me or as Macbeth would say 'something is rotten in Denmark'.

Hamlet, you philistine.

The rest of your post is spot on.

 

[Ugottabjokin]

Hamlet, you philistine.

The rest of your post is spot on.

Sorry right you are. I'm surprised you didn't pick me up on not quoting the full quote.

It should be " Soemthing is rotten in the state of Denmark".

Sounds like Western Australia and Denmark have some commonality.

 

[Zombie Woof]

Sorry right you are. I'm surprised you didn't pick me up on not quoting the full quote.

It should be " Soemthing is rotten in the state of Denmark".

Sounds like Western Australia and Denmark have some commonality.

Margetts is from Busselton not Denmark (a town near the south coast..)

 

[imperial_oz]

except last week. fremantle were playing richmond and west coast had the bye.....go figure.so no fremantle media all west coast.

you know it aint all about west coast. you are a two tram town, except one team is isolated by the media. shame really .

Most of the media in this town are sponsors of the eagles. If you are expecting anything approaching reasonable media coverage about Freo / Eagles then try Melbourne. The eagles get an armchair ride here while Freo gets stitched up usually. Very second rate reporting here.

 

[Alvin Purple]

So it seems that most folks are not happy with Western Australian umpires umpiring Western Australian teams, I (and I think most Freo supporters) would be ecstatic if Margetts and Farmer never umpired one of our games ever again, give me an East Coast umpire any day.

 

[yakka man]

All we ask is that each decision/ non decision is played on its merits. Umpiring isn't any easy thing to do. There's different interpretations and some are in contradiction to the spirit of the game.

The overall free kick tally isn't what matters. But ....
It's the fact that umpires particularly in Adelaide and Perth are influenced
It's the fact that if there is an imbalance in free kicks at half time all of a sudden umpires start evening the ledger
It's that some umpires have no hesitation in paying free kicks in front of goal where others are less likely
We all know finals are generally umpired better but they don't carry this into the season proper.
Umpires should be more mindful of tricks being played by certain players/clubs to create conflict between the spirit of the game and rules ( angus monfries/ Joel Selwood/ jetta/ west coast)

I can't speak to the Adelaide umpires but I call BS on the WA umps. Only on the part that they are certainly not Freo biased. Definitely appear to be WCE biased though. I may be slightly ignorant in the fact that common sense is not that common, but I thought until a while ago that umps were rotated throughout the country each week. Having local umps officiate only local games is insane. I'd prefer Victorian umps to come to Perth and ump Freo games because the local one's are flogs that love West Coast.

 

[Father Jack]

It's interesting to note the complete lack of substance in the whingeing, in fact, these threads have so little reference to actual events in the game just played that we can use the exact same posts for the next Eagles home victory and no one will even notice.

 

[ok.crows]

It's the fact that umpires particularly in Adelaide and Perth are influenced

Excuse me? Adelaide are one of the sides well and truly on the worst end of the stick when it comes to umpiring. Frees for vs Frees against for Adelaide is the polar opposite compared to West Coast.

 

[Brewster_]

It's interesting to note the complete lack of substance in the whingeing, in fact, these threads have so little reference to actual events in the game just played that we can use the exact same posts for the next Eagles home victory and no one will even notice.

That is so true. Posters should just cut and paste to save themselves time next time we win.

 

[tesseract]

A West Coast fan trying to bring an 'impartial perspective' into the thread - what a laugh!

You get the rub of the green at Subiaco to a greater extent than any other team does at their home grounds. Now you get to deal with the flak, whether you like it or not. You deserved to win and were the better team on the night but don't tell me the Blues weren't screwed by the umps on multiple occasions.

You're telling West Coast fans: "Now you get to deal with the flak, whether you like it or not," but then also go on to say: "don't tell me...". This shows that you want to see comments dished out against the WCE fans view, but don't want any comments to counter the comments made against the WCE fans view. It's ironic that you even mention the supposed "'impartial perspective'" of one side, given that having both sides heard could possibly go a ways to forming a balanced collective view.

Who's to say whose view is impartial, and not that with an agenda? Being a neutral supporter doesn't automatically make for impartiality.

 

[Copernicus]

You're telling West Coast fans: "Now you get to deal with the flak, whether you like it or not," but then also go on to say: "don't tell me...". This shows that you want to see comments dished out against the WCE fans view, but don't want any comments to counter the comments made against the WCE fans view. It's ironic that you even mention the supposed "'impartial perspective'" of one side, given that having both sides heard could possibly go a ways to forming a balanced collective view.

Who's to say whose view is impartial, and not that with an agenda? Being a neutral supporter doesn't automatically make for impartiality.

Neutral fans are probably going to be more impartial than a Carlton or WCE fan - so I thought it was pretty ironic that the OP was trying to make himself out to be impartial and 'bringing perspective' when that was never really going to be possible from his viewpoint as a supporter of the winning team. I'm happy to see WCE fans defend their views but I don't think it's right to mark themselves as somehow impartial or enlightening the rest of us who watched the game. I don't think I can never be 100% impartial when viewing a WCE game- but I surely think I can be moreso than any WCE fan, since the result does not have nearly as great a bearing on my club than yours.

 

[Obeanie1]

I have no love for Carlton, but some of those decisions were disgraceful.The two 50m penalties to the Eagles both resulted in goals and weren't there. The free against Joseph wasn't there either (Darling stripped him of the ball). That was a gift goal too. It isn't good enough, and there is bias in Perth. Needs to be addressed.

Was the free paid against Joseph or against Jamison?

The ball was stripped but Jamison grabbed it and simply locked it in and made no attempt to break the pack or move the ball on.

As for the soft free Judd gave away that I think was paid because the umpire had said enough is enough, there had been a fair bit of push and shove between to two and they had stepped apart. Would be surprised if the ump said "step away or I'll pay a free", Judd then elbows Priddis and a free was paid. This was similar in nature to the super soft free paid in the Tigers v Giants game. Defender niggling a Giant forward elbowing them in the back / ribs, umpire right there and an even softer elbow won a free directly in front od goal.

No one can say that home crowds in Melbourne don't win the home team more free's because it happens.

Ratten having a sook about it is seriously annoying and simply indicates he's not up to the job. Whinged about umpires and the tough draw = epic fail as a coach IMO.

 

[WCErevival]

WCE got 3 goals from frees. Carlton got 2 goals from frees. Hardly worth talking about really. Not sure why Carlton supporters are so pissed off.

 

[Blues_Man]

Eagles fans love burying their head in the sand....It's no shame to admit that your team gets a lot more free kicks than any other team in the comp ...it's just a simple fact .

 

[tesseract]

Neutral fans are probably going to be more impartial than a Carlton or WCE fan - so I thought it was pretty ironic that the OP was trying to make himself out to be impartial and 'bringing perspective' when that was never really going to be possible from his viewpoint as a supporter of the winning team. I'm happy to see WCE fans defend their views but I don't think it's right to mark themselves as somehow impartial or enlightening the rest of us who watched the game. I don't think I can never be 100% impartial when viewing a WCE game- but I surely think I can be moreso than any WCE fan, since the result does not have nearly as great a bearing on my club than yours.

You've only got "probably" to say as far as neutral fans impartiality has to go. That doesn't take into account any possible agendas. So, your comment on neutral fans is meaningless, because one is either impartial or they aren't. There's no more or less about it.

 

[tesseract]

Eagles fans love burying their head in the sand....It's no shame to admit that your team gets a lot more free kicks than any other team in the comp ...it's just a simple fact .

Carlton fans' tears make sure that the sand is nice and soft for Eagles fans to dig up. WC fans love to stick their head in the sand in such times as these, for Carlton fans are moaning more than a nagging, bitchy, woman, who won't STFU. WC fans find peace and solace in the sand, for it blocks out the constant whinging and moaning.