Mega Thread We can't lose Tom

[Logger]

I think if Scully's manager has spoken to GWS Tom would know and they would be discussing it regardless if he is set on staying a Melbourne or not. There's no way his or any other manager wouldn't inform their client on offers that are being thrown around.

Here's how I see it:
If Scully has expressed a wish to his manager not to discuss his contract until the end of the year, then I see no reason for the manager to discuss it with him, because it'll only piss Tom off if he has in fact said that he doesn't want to think about contracts to him, just like he has said numerous times in the press.

I'm sure the manager would be preparing info from whoever is interested so that when the season ends and Tom comes to him and says "So, what are my options?" the manager will be ready. However, I doubt any of these discussions would be anywhere near concrete enough to constitute an offer. GWS will throw figures at him that don't mean anything, so will Melbourne, they'll both be trying to give the manager an idea of what he can expect once negotiations start in earnest. The only serious offers will materialise once Tom is involved in the process or not long before. Why would GWS make a similar offer to the one they made to Callan Ward with the 2 week deadline if he's said he isn't going to sign until the end of the year?

This rests on a few assumptions:
- Tom has not lied to the press or MFC
- He genuinely does not want to discuss contracts until the end of the season
- Tom's manager want's to stay in his job
- Both sides want Tom to play for them next year

There is a good chance he will leave, and if that's the case then I would assume he'd make that decision at the end of the year just like he said he would. He would then become an opposition player to me. An opposition player I hope fails while we succeed, and there might be a certain amount of schadenfreude, but I don't want him struck by lightning or cruelled by injury.

The 4-5 million dollars more he might earn at GWS probably would not significantly improve his standard of living, but it would mean he has a much bigger scope should he choose to go into property development or whatever. When people talk about adding a few million to their income, they're rarely wondering how many golden Lambos they can buy or how many M+Ms that would be, they think in terms of required rate of return and investment portfolio risk diversement (trust me, I've spent the last 5 years hanging around these sort of people).

 

[Logger]

Why the F*** do people like you have to always attack people personally?

What a f****** hypocrite you are!

Let's calm down a little, there's no reason get so worked up, like you said, it's just football. We're throwing up hypotheticals and I don't think anyone meant to hurt anyone elses feelings. At least BS and jtr haven't posted here for a page and a half, so I don't think anyone was trying to hurt anyone elses feelings.

 

[Topkent]

Why the F*** do people like you have to always attack people personally? We are talking about football and you have to rip out a comment like that...

Your GWS-manager-Tom was a nice little story....I'm sure that's what happened.

Trengove said that he is 9.5/10 that Scully is staying so what's the difference? At the end of the day no one knows but Tom!

didnt you know thats the big footy way, they run out of things to say so they put there keyboard warrior suits on an think typing an insult makes them a hero, when its likely they wouldnt be able to back it up in person


back to the actual topic.. its about newton right?

i see it one of 2 ways, either he has already made some sort of deal with gws and hes a liar

or he really hasnt signed anything yet in which case i reckon we can offer him close enough to the GWS offer to stay

 

[DaveyTrainxpress]

Here's how I see it:
If Scully has expressed a wish to his manager not to discuss his contract until the end of the year, then I see no reason for the manager to discuss it with him, because it'll only piss Tom off if he has in fact said that he doesn't want to think about contracts to him, just like he has said numerous times in the press.

I'm sure the manager would be preparing info from whoever is interested so that when the season ends and Tom comes to him and says "So, what are my options?" the manager will be ready. However, I doubt any of these discussions would be anywhere near concrete enough to constitute an offer. GWS will throw figures at him that don't mean anything, so will Melbourne, they'll both be trying to give the manager an idea of what he can expect once negotiations start in earnest. The only serious offers will materialise once Tom is involved in the process or not long before. Why would GWS make a similar offer to the one they made to Callan Ward with the 2 week deadline if he's said he isn't going to sign until the end of the year?

This rests on a few assumptions:
- Tom has not lied to the press or MFC
- He genuinely does not want to discuss contracts until the end of the season
- Tom's manager want's to stay in his job
- Both sides want Tom to play for them next year

There is a good chance he will leave, and if that's the case then I would assume he'd make that decision at the end of the year just like he said he would. He would then become an opposition player to me. An opposition player I hope fails while we succeed, and there might be a certain amount of schadenfreude, but I don't want him struck by lightning or cruelled by injury.

The 4-5 million dollars more he might earn at GWS probably would not significantly improve his standard of living, but it would mean he has a much bigger scope should he choose to go into property development or whatever. When people talk about adding a few million to their income, they're rarely wondering how many golden Lambos they can buy or how many M+Ms that would be, they think in terms of required rate of return and investment portfolio risk diversement (trust me, I've spent the last 5 years hanging around these sort of people).

Tom never said anything about him and his manager not talking about it. I highly doubt that he has not discussed his future or what he's thinking at this stage with his manager. This will be one of the biggest decisions he'll have to make and I can't see that being made in a few weeks so I think he is constantly thinking about it. Who wouldn't?

 

[DaveyTrainxpress]

What a f****** hypocrite you are!

Let's calm down a little, there's no reason get so worked up, like you said, it's just football. We're throwing up hypotheticals and I don't think anyone meant to hurt anyone elses feelings. At least BS and jtr haven't posted here for a page and a half, so I don't think anyone was trying to hurt anyone elses feelings.

I'm not the one who went and said what he did, so if anyone needs to clam down it's chip. When people use those types of words they are trying hurt hurt feelings etc.

 

[Topkent]

I really really like you Nick Spot on. Some people are happy for us to be s*** for another 50 years

right about now im really really hoping your a girl

 

[DaveyTrainxpress]

didnt you know thats the big footy way, they run out of things to say so they put there keyboard warrior suits on an think typing an insult makes them a hero, when its likely they wouldnt be able to back it up in person


back to the actual topic.. its about newton right?

i see it one of 2 ways, either he has already made some sort of deal with gws and hes a liar

or he really hasnt signed anything yet in which case i reckon we can offer him close enough to the GWS offer to stay

Yeah when people talk like that it makes them feel good...ahh people.

I believe it's about Scully, not Newton lol he's a different topic all together lol

I wanna keep Tom but not if its going to kill our cap, one player doesn't make a team and I'd rather let one player go then pissed off another 5 or 6.

 

[DaveyTrainxpress]

right about now im really really hoping your a girl

Hahhaha I knew you would say that and yes I am lol

 

[Topkent]

Hahhaha I knew you would say that and yes I am lol

thats a relief i thought u were but u just never know lol

yeah but u know what , what happens if they piss more people off at melbourne by letting him go? whole situations ****ed its almost gonna be a let down if at the end of the year if he signs a standard 2 year extension on slightly better money and he had never planned anything else lol

 

[Ando727]

Or maybe people have more interesting lives than you, and realise the AFL is just a game and that they won't throw the toys out of the pram when a former player goes on to win a premiership with his new team.

Totally immature comment. I said that it's disingenuous to wish somebody "all the best" if it runs contrary to your own interests. That's got nothing to do with how interesting one's life is. The fact that you would be interested in how well a former player goes at his new club speaks equally to how interesting your life is. It's simply irrelevant. If Scully leaves, I'll focus on who is still at Melbourne - not whether Scully is enjoying his new lifestyle.

 

[DaveyTrainxpress]

thats a relief i thought u were but u just never know lol

yeah but u know what , what happens if they piss more people off at melbourne by letting him go? whole situations ****ed its almost gonna be a let down if at the end of the year if he signs a standard 2 year extension on slightly better money and he had never planned anything else lol

If I were Melbourne I wouldn't be paying him more then 400k a season (he hasn't even played 30 games) potential is a big word and yes I'm sure he'll be a champion but so will Trengove (who I actually think is better) Gysbets, Watts followed by Jodie Mac etc who will also be good players. We cat blow our cap on one player. We also have to remember that we don't have a campany like Visy or Westpac to help out.

 

[Topkent]

If I were Melbourne I wouldn't be paying him more then 400k a season (he hasn't even played 30 games) potential is a big word and yes I'm sure he'll be a champion but so will Trengove (who I actually think is better) Gysbets, Watts followed by Jodie Mac etc who will also be good players. We cat blow our cap on one player. We also have to remember that we don't have a campany like Visy or Westpac to help out.

400k is basically the roof as far as im concerned, to be honest.. if there was no GWS sniffing around then he is worth between 250-350 on his next contract.. i dont care what people say about his 'potential' he is a less than 30 game player who missed half this year with knee troubles.. he does not deserve to be a higher paid player than frawley, rivers, jamar, moloney, and numerous others he would overtake ONE day, probably but not yet we really shouldnt be held over a barrel by this kid cuz one day were gonna have one hell of a sore arseh*le

 

[Jordie_tackles]

400k is basically the roof as far as im concerned, to be honest.. if there was no GWS sniffing around then he is worth between 250-350 on his next contract.. i dont care what people say about his 'potential' he is a less than 30 game player who missed half this year with knee troubles.. he does not deserve to be a higher paid player than frawley, rivers, jamar, moloney, and numerous others he would overtake ONE day, probably but not yet we really shouldnt be held over a barrel by this kid cuz one day were gonna have one hell of a sore arseh*le

Are you serious lol? i will be disapointed if he isnt on double rivers salary

Also Frawley didnt really break out before his large 4 year contract which is unfortunate

Moloneys value will also be higher significantly higher than his last contract

Jamar yeah he will be rich

 

[Gazza_11]

Consider how much pain the MFC and it supporters have had to go through recently. For some people AFL isn't just a game, it's a part of winter culture that keeps us going when thing in our personal life aren't going to plan.

We didn't go through all that, several years of drafting, just for our number 1 pick to decide he wants to up and go for the money without really putting in the hard yards. To betray the trust and faith the MFC and its supporters have put in him. If he goes I will be furious and extremely hurt. Still wish him the best as a person and I hope he lives up to his potential, but he will have lost my respect. Completely different to the Ablett situation.

 

[TheBoss]

Totally immature comment. I said that it's disingenuous to wish somebody "all the best" if it runs contrary to your own interests. That's got nothing to do with how interesting one's life is. The fact that you would be interested in how well a former player goes at his new club speaks equally to how interesting your life is. It's simply irrelevant. If Scully leaves, I'll focus on who is still at Melbourne - not whether Scully is enjoying his new lifestyle.

Runs contrary to my own interests? Football is just entertainment to me, I feel no need to get upset when things aren't going MFC's way.

But if Scully does leave, I still hope he has a successful career, I've enjoyed watching him play so far and I like the way he goes about it.

 

[lose]

400k is basically the roof as far as im concerned, to be honest.. if there was no GWS sniffing around then he is worth between 250-350 on his next contract.. i dont care what people say about his 'potential' he is a less than 30 game player who missed half this year with knee troubles.. he does not deserve to be a higher paid player than frawley, rivers, jamar, moloney, and numerous others he would overtake ONE day, probably but not yet we really shouldnt be held over a barrel by this kid cuz one day were gonna have one hell of a sore arseh*le

guys wat u have to realise is we have been front loading all our contracts for this exact reason.. if u think us paying scully more than 400k over this contract u dont understand where we are at.. we will be able to give him a big contract in order to keep him as we have managed our payments well in readiness for this situation.. we can put a very good offer to Tom nd not lose anyone because of it.. we have to offer Tom more due to the unique situation which will be gone after next year..

 

[Ando727]

Runs contrary to my own interests? Football is just entertainment to me, I feel no need to get upset when things aren't going MFC's way.

Geez, do you actually listen to anything? Where did I say anything about being upset? It's only logical to want your own team/players to do better than other teams/players. Do you think I'm strange for wanting Melbourne to do better than GWS? If so, you have an issue with every single Melbourne supporter on BigFooty. You've attributed this upset/tantrum thing to me twice now, even though I never said anything of the sort. Just leave it out, thanks.

 

[Viney]

Here's how I see it:
If Scully has expressed a wish to his manager not to discuss his contract until the end of the year, then I see no reason for the manager to discuss it with him, because it'll only piss Tom off if he has in fact said that he doesn't want to think about contracts to him, just like he has said numerous times in the press.

I'm sure the manager would be preparing info from whoever is interested so that when the season ends and Tom comes to him and says "So, what are my options?" the manager will be ready. However, I doubt any of these discussions would be anywhere near concrete enough to constitute an offer. GWS will throw figures at him that don't mean anything, so will Melbourne, they'll both be trying to give the manager an idea of what he can expect once negotiations start in earnest. The only serious offers will materialise once Tom is involved in the process or not long before. Why would GWS make a similar offer to the one they made to Callan Ward with the 2 week deadline if he's said he isn't going to sign until the end of the year?

This rests on a few assumptions:
- Tom has not lied to the press or MFC
- He genuinely does not want to discuss contracts until the end of the season
- Tom's manager want's to stay in his job
- Both sides want Tom to play for them next year

There is a good chance he will leave, and if that's the case then I would assume he'd make that decision at the end of the year just like he said he would. He would then become an opposition player to me. An opposition player I hope fails while we succeed, and there might be a certain amount of schadenfreude, but I don't want him struck by lightning or cruelled by injury.

The 4-5 million dollars more he might earn at GWS probably would not significantly improve his standard of living, but it would mean he has a much bigger scope should he choose to go into property development or whatever. When people talk about adding a few million to their income, they're rarely wondering how many golden Lambos they can buy or how many M+Ms that would be, they think in terms of required rate of return and investment portfolio risk diversement (trust me, I've spent the last 5 years hanging around these sort of people).

Underrated post - logical posts in threads like this get glossed over

Scully's management put off talks in July last year.

GWS had a window of 2 weeks to get HOAs signed in October last year

Tom fronted the media in March and stated nothing had ben signed

Those who believe he has signed a HOA are effectively saying he is a liar - keep in mind Tom wanted this press conference, so he's not going to set himself up as being a liar.

ALL contract negotiations are off until Melbourne's season is over.

Tom MAY sign with GWS but that decision will be made at seasons end - it hasn't been made already

NO ONE - repeat - NO ONE can be Signed Sealed and Delivered to GWS as it currently stands. Some players may have signed HOAs but they have the option to change their mind.

NO ONE can sign a new contract - effectively binding them to GWS until the season is over

As it currently stands - whilst GWS may have some signatures on HOAs, they are yet to currently lock away any players unequivocally

 

[DaveyTrainxpress]

400k is basically the roof as far as im concerned, to be honest.. if there was no GWS sniffing around then he is worth between 250-350 on his next contract.. i dont care what people say about his 'potential' he is a less than 30 game player who missed half this year with knee troubles.. he does not deserve to be a higher paid player than frawley, rivers, jamar, moloney, and numerous others he would overtake ONE day, probably but not yet we really shouldnt be held over a barrel by this kid cuz one day were gonna have one hell of a sore arseh*le

I totally agree with this, potential is a big word. How someone who hasn't even played 30 games to be on that amount of cash is wrong. melbourne need to be very smart about this move.

 

[Topkent]

Are you serious lol? i will be disapointed if he isnt on double rivers salary

Also Frawley didnt really break out before his large 4 year contract which is unfortunate

Moloneys value will also be higher significantly higher than his last contract

Jamar yeah he will be rich

ure living in a fantasy land if you think rivers doesnt deserve more than scully at this point in time, rivers is nearing on 10 years of service with the footy club and scully has played a handful of games, there are literallly over 10 players who could make a very strong case for a pay rise if we go all out for scully

 

[Topkent]

I totally agree with this, potential is a big word. How someone who hasn't even played 30 games to be on that amount of cash is wrong. melbourne need to be very smart about this move.

yep yep once again i agree with ya no point pissing off a heap of senior types to please one money hungry kid

 

[Viney]

ure living in a fantasy land if you think rivers doesnt deserve more than scully at this point in time, rivers is nearing on 10 years of service with the footy club and scully has played a handful of games, there are literallly over 10 players who could make a very strong case for a pay rise if we go all out for scully

Would they, though?

Trenners seems more focused on keeping a potential premiership team together, rather than eatning an extra $100k p.a

And it still comes back to the fact that contracts are of a private nature

Do you think if Melbourne re-sign scully, they're going to have a Team Signing, where everyone can witness what he's on?

 

[Crimson Azure]

ure living in a fantasy land if you think rivers doesnt deserve more than scully at this point in time, rivers is nearing on 10 years of service with the footy club and scully has played a handful of games.

Who would you say the better player is, not that it really matters? I like Rivers but he is our third best "tall" defender & too undersized to play on the big power forwards. What he is great at is being able to be read the play & either act to cut off the ball or be the third man up.

Tom has cemented a place in the midfield & would already be in the top 3-4 mids, with a huge upside.

People are paid based on their value in the market. Tom's value is huge whereas Rivers would never command the sort of market value that Scully does. In view of what the market value is that will dictate a players worth.

Long service doesn't & shouldnt dictate what someone is paid.

 

[Topkent]

Would they, though?

Trenners seems more focused on keeping a potential premiership team together, rather than eatning an extra $100k p.a

And it still comes back to the fact that contracts are of a private nature

Do you think if Melbourne re-sign scully, they're going to have a Team Signing, where everyone can witness what he's on?

yeah but thats why trenners is being talked about as the next captain and sculls aint

i also think that players would have a ballpark idea of were scullys contract is at

 

[Topkent]

Who would you say the better player is, not that it really matters? I like Rivers but he is our third best "tall" defender & too undersized to play on the big power forwards. What he is great at is being able to be read the play & either act to cut off the ball or be the third man up.

Tom has cemented a place in the midfield & would already be in the top 3-4 mids, with a huge upside.

People are paid based on their value in the market. Tom's value is huge whereas Rivers would never command the sort of market value that Scully does. In view of what the market value is that will dictate a players worth.

Long service doesn't & shouldnt dictate what someone is paid.

jamar, rivers, frawley, moloney, sylvia, trengove,

they deserve to atleast be around the same figure as scully at this stage, in 2 years time, no doubt scully will be worth that sort of money but i just dont think he justifies it now, his market value is way over inflated due to gws, if they were not around there is no way ure carlton,collingwood,essendon or anyone for that matter would pay him anywere near the money that gws is offering