Player Watch Welcome to Hawthorn : Jai “Duke” Newcombe - 2024 Peter Crimmins medalist

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[MrPremiership]

seen (and tend to agree) some compare him more to Mark Ricciuto

can see that.....reckon he's a much better runner than Roo....deceptively for his body shape

 

[toomanysquibs]

Agree. It's because Tom, Jom, or Worpel are usually the 'hit to' players at a stoppage.
Absolutely he is an inside mid, who can burst from a stoppage. He's more Ricciuto or Dangerfield, than anyone.

Amen to that.

Watch Duke smash an opposition mid with a don't argue, while pushing off the guy to sprint the other way at a centre clearance, and you could hardly come up with another conclusion.

He did this against Brisbane (I think?) at a CB.

Very, very few first year players are capable of that feat, unless they are high level bull, inside midfielders.

 

[Brishawk]

I’d almost say it’s the opposite. Young players generally win a fair chunk of contested possessions. Its their uncontested game that improves as time goes on.

Contested ball is mostly between the ears. Do you want the ball more than the other bloke trying to get it.

I’d like to see duke crack in when it’s his turn and win the ball. It could be purely due to coaching but he seems to prefer to let the opposition win the ball then tackle then.

Below his knees and when the balls in dispute is where Duke needs to improve.

Not actually what I was suggesting. They simply struggle to make it through 22 games.

I’m not suggesting he doesn’t need to improve but the way we use him is not conducive to large contested possessions totals. He is rarely the target at stoppages and we use his defensive capability to keep an opposition ball winner out of the contests or at least under pressure an unable to release to a dangerous player.

 

[H00t]

Not actually what I was suggesting. They simply struggle to make it through 22 games.

I’m not suggesting he doesn’t need to improve but the way we use him is not conducive to large contested possessions totals. He is rarely the target at stoppages and we use his defensive capability to keep an opposition ball winner out of the contests or at least under pressure an unable to release to a dangerous player.

His low contested possessions doesn’t bother me as much as when he needs to win a contested ball he rarely does.

Whether through a fumble or just waiting to tackle them instead. I’m not expecting him to turn into Oliver. But if he could show even half of his intensity to win a ground ball at a contest it would make him a much better player.

Also at stoppages he might not be the hit target but he still gets a lot of ball directed his way from the ruck contest. And he looks great when it comes at him above the waist.

 

[Brishawk]

His low contested possessions doesn’t bother me as much as when he needs to win a contested ball he rarely does.

Whether through a fumble or just waiting to tackle them instead. I’m not expecting him to turn into Oliver. But if he could show even half of his intensity to win a ground ball at a contest it would make him a much better player.

Also at stoppages he might not be the hit target but he still gets a lot of ball directed his way from the ruck contest. And he looks great when it comes at him above the waist.

First quarter v lions he was only the target player one time out of about ten and the ball otherwise went no where near him as he was generally trying to keep his man away from the contest through positioning. Same sort of thing happens around the ground stoppages. He just isn’t used in a way that generates lots of contested ball.

Saying he doesn’t win contests when he needs to is purely selective on your part. He obviously does but he isn’t positioning himself to win a contest, he wants to be receiver and play defensively first. And so that dictates the outcomes substantially.

 

[Jazzfan]

I didn't really get the notion of a keyboard expert until I wondered into this thread and read the past few days...

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Newcombe the no. 1 player in the comp for clearance to score ratio.

 

[grumbleguts]

Newcombe the no. 1 player in the comp for clearance to score ratio.

He's certainly up there.

Score involvements per clearance: requirements 50 score involvements 30 clearances:

Position	Player	Score inv per clearance
1​	Sam Walsh	2.25​
2​	Christian Petracca	2.159091​
3​	Patrick Lipinski	2.09375​
4​	Connor Rozee	2.032258​
5​	Josh Dunkley	2.025​
6​	Isaac Heeney	2​
7​	Bailey Smith	1.944444​
8​	Marcus Bontempelli	1.926829​
9​	Chad Warner	1.846154​
10​	Shai Bolton	1.822222​
11​	Cameron Rayner	1.8​
12​	Hugh McCluggage	1.777778​
13​	Jai Newcombe	1.710526​
14​	Callan Ward	1.647059​
15​	Adam Treloar	1.634146​
16​	Matthew Kennedy	1.625​
17​	Stephen Coniglio	1.604167​
18​	Sebastian Ross	1.5​
19​	Jordan De Goey	1.489362​
20​	Callum Mills	1.425532​
21​	Jade Gresham	1.404255​
22​	Cameron Guthrie	1.36​
23​	Tim Taranto	1.342105​
24​	Joshua Kelly	1.320755​
25​	Dion Prestia	1.315789​
26​	James Rowbottom	1.309524​
27​	Luke Parker	1.303571​
28​	Andrew Brayshaw	1.28​
29​	Jack Viney	1.275​
30​	Toby Nankervis	1.219512​
31​	Darcy Parish	1.211268​
32​	Taylor Adams	1.192308​
33​	Brandan Parfitt	1.176471​
34​	Zak Butters	1.173913​
35​	Jack Crisp	1.169811​
36​	Jaeger O'Meara	1.166667​
37​	Willem Drew	1.162791​
38​	Oliver Wines	1.152174​
39​	Max Gawn	1.150943​
40​	Adam Cerra	1.148936​
42​	Joel Selwood	1.078431​
43​	Patrick Cripps	1.026667​
44​	Tom Mitchell	1.016393​
45​	Ben Keays	1​
46​	Jarrod Witts	0.980392​
47​	Jy Simpkin	0.962963​
48​	Rory Laird	0.955882​
49​	George Hewett	0.939394​
41​	Brad Crouch	0.925373​
50​	Jackson Macrae	0.918605​
51​	Clayton Oliver	0.913043​
52​	Thomas Liberatore	0.898551​
53​	Tom Green	0.898551​
54​	Lachie Neale	0.885057​
55​	Will Brodie	0.861111​
56​	Travis Boak	0.846154​
57​	Jarryd Lyons	0.835616​
58​	Touk Miller	0.75​

 

[FisherHawk]

On AFL 360 last night, David King was singing Dukes praises saying he's the standout for the rising star. He put up a list of top 5 players clearance to score.

1. Jai Newcombe
2. Marcus Bont
3. Jack Macrae
4. Chad Warner

1

Chad Warner

Age

23

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

2star

CL

0.0

1star

D

7.0

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.5

4star

CL

0.0

1star

5. Stephen Coniglio

3

Stephen Coniglio

Age

30

Ht

182cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.5

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

11.5

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.7

5star

CL

4.7

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

8.8

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.8

4star

CL

5.4

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

8.2

4star

HB

11.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

2.2

4star

CL

3.0

5star

 

[threesixpio]

Long way to go but he reminds of of Michael Voss more than anyone since.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Kingy mentioned tonight on 360 extra that Duke is number 1 in the comp for scores from clearance.
So if Duke clears it, we score.

Only Josh Kelly has a better return for scores from inside 50, also.

 

[CHUBBSS]

Kingy mentioned tonight on 360 extra that Duke is number 1 in the comp for scores from clearance.
So if Duke clears it, we score.

Only Josh Kelly has a better return for scores from inside 50, also.

Makes sense why he is getting tagged then, good problem to have in your first season of footy

 

[Brishawk]

He is 42th in the league for score involvements and 65th in the league for total clearances. He is 40th in the league for centre clearances and 80th in the league for stoppage clearances. Staying slightly outside the coal face slows the rate at which he wins clearances but it allows him the opportunity to get a high quality exit (usually long and direct). He also wins proportionately more centre clearances than stoppage clearances, which would assist his conversion rate given from the centre it is one kick inside fifty to even numbers. A good chance we score from those entries as he is getting them deep inside fifty.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

He is 42th in the league for score involvements and 65th in the league for total clearances. He is 40th in the league for centre clearances and 80th in the league for stoppage clearances. Staying slightly outside the coal face slows the rate at which he wins clearances but it allows him the opportunity to get a high quality exit (usually long and direct). He also wins proportionately more centre clearances than stoppage clearances, which would assist his conversion rate given from the centre it is one kick inside fifty to even numbers. A good chance we score from those entries as he is getting them deep inside fifty.

It's not just that, he's also 2nd for kicking inside 50 efficiency. Which is probably a bigger stat for mine.

 

[Brishawk]

It's not just that, he's also 2nd for kicking inside 50 efficiency. Which is probably a bigger stat for mine.

End of the day, he is elite for goal assists (0.9 per game), which is a reasonable guide. But I think his role is conducive to being efficient in these categories without being dominant in any of them.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

End of the day, he is elite for goal assists (0.9 per game), which is a reasonable guide. But I think his role is conducive to being efficient in these categories without being dominant in any of them.

Well he does something that they spoke about on 360 which i see in spades with him, is the old, run your measure and kick it then, instead of a standing start kick.

I rarely see it for the rest of our midfield, bar Mitchell who can do it on occasions with "Driving the legs, getting the ball from in to out" and handballing rather than kicking for him, although when he gets the footy he's usually getting it right under the pack and quick hands to release players.

 

[cryptor]

Kingy mentioned tonight on 360 extra that Duke is number 1 in the comp for scores from clearance.
So if Duke clears it, we score.

Only Josh Kelly has a better return for scores from inside 50, also.

Thanks Kingy. Hard tag for the rest of his career now.

 

[HairyO]

Best midfielder for either team today. Another huge game. Most tackles and most clearances.

 

[Blackhawk42]

Tried to will us over the line today. Huge performance.

 

[Jazzfan]

So I don't think anyone would think any different if a couple of posters wanted to hit delete on a ridiculous thought bubble this week...

What a, contested inclusive, player we have.

 

[SSSSSS]

Gee did anyone see his 70m handball in the last quarter today? Inspirational.

 

[Brishawk]

So I don't think anyone would think any different if a couple of posters wanted to hit delete on a ridiculous thought bubble this week...

What a, contested inclusive, player we have.

I argued he is well capable of winning contested ball but his role has been to be just outside the coalesce rather than right in it. Today he was asked to do more on account of the state of the match and conditions. And he delivered, as I expected him too.

 

[cryptor]

The change in odds for Rising Star suggest Daicos had the better game but it has to be plebs just reading the stat sheet and throwing money at 38 disposals. Nuke had way more impact on the game. I was watching both closely as I have some skin in that game. Daicos is good but he's not having the same influence on games as Newcombe.

Nuke does everything he can to win the ball and drive it forward. 2nd man in to secure a tackle, slapping the ball forward. There's no standard stat given for those things but he does it because it helps the team. No doubt he'd get 30+ every week playing loose across half back as well.

edit 6/6: Seems both coaches gave more votes to Daicos, so **** me I guess lol. Honestly didn't notice Daicos that much and still felt Nuke had more impact.

 

[Brishawk]

The change in odds for Rising Star suggest Daicos had the better game but it has to be plebs just reading the stat sheet and throwing money at 38 disposals. Nuke had way more impact on the game. I was watching both closely as I have some skin in that game. Daicos is good but he's not having the same influence on games as Newcombe.

Nuke does everything he can to win the ball and drive it forward. 2nd man in to secure a tackle, slapping the ball forward. There's no standard stat given for those things but he does it because it helps the team. No doubt he'd get 30+ every week playing loose across half back as well.

He and omeara changed the game in the third. And nuke kept going in the last too. Was clear of the two young players who was having the larger influence over the game.

 

[matey]

The Newk is so obsessed with always moving the ball forward towards goal. Love it. If he ever gets a tatt it should be “metres gained” across his chest. Good luck to his future neighbors when ever going halves in replacing a fence!