Welcome to Hawthorn Pick 22: Kieran Lovell

[Blaze Storm]

Buckenara thought we took Sam Mitchell to early in his draft and it worked!
That's why we should take everybody earlier in the draft.

That's where the next competitive advantage is IMHO
If we're going to continue to set the pace (the fastest pace), we have to go against the grain and orthodoxy, otherwise we'll fall back to the pack.
If everybody is doing it, then there's no advantage.
My Karate instructor tells me that I should always do the unexpected.
Catch them off the guards.

Weave already seen the teams go cold on picking of the players who slippe in the draft, which is why we never hear any recruiter say "we didn't expecting him to be around at our pick" this draft. They've already begun to realise you've got to take players before they're expecting it. If they're expecting it, they will take him first; is it making sense to you now?

Shifty Roos is probably thinking this exactly already now - that's why he took Oliver 20 picks earlier than anybody thought and he was the mastermind after Sydney's BLOODS culture success, even though we perfected it.

You don't have to agree with me, but they're the facts and my opinion agrees with the facts.
I forgot to say, this is my first ever post.
There will never be another first post but I like this one.

8/10 for content
2/10 for spelling & grammar

 

[Dipper]

Not every new poster is The List Manager, Davo23

This genuinely made me lol

 

[cryptor]

Not every new poster is The List Manager, Davo23

Tbh it did give me the alias vibe.

 

[Lust Manager]

I suspect every new poster of being the List Manager.

Except for the Lust Manager, he's ligut.

Corrictid!

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Buckenara thought we took Sam Mitchell to early in his draft and it worked!
That's why we should take everybody earlier in the draft.

That's where the next competitive advantage is IMHO
If we're going to continue to set the pace (the fastest pace), we have to go against the grain and orthodoxy, otherwise we'll fall back to the pack.
If everybody is doing it, then there's no advantage.
My Karate instructor tells me that I should always do the unexpected.
Catch them off the guards.

Weave already seen the teams go cold on picking of the players who slippe in the draft, which is why we never hear any recruiter say "we didn't expecting him to be around at our pick" this draft. They've already begun to realise you've got to take players before they're expecting it. If they're expecting it, they will take him first; is it making sense to you now?

Shifty Roos is probably thinking this exactly already now - that's why he took Oliver 20 picks earlier than anybody thought and he was the mastermind after Sydney's BLOODS culture success, even though we perfected it.

You don't have to agree with me, but they're the facts and my opinion agrees with the facts.
I forgot to say, this is my first ever post.
There will never be another first post but I like this one.

Yeah... nah....

I don't think you grab players early because that makes you unexpected.

You grab the best players at your pick and hope your judgement and processes are better than others.

Every club has its good and bad picks.

Hopefully our Irish lad proves a steal, we pioneered the NZ thing and I think have been as good as any with mature agers like Pops and Stratts, under agers like Shiels and Savage, and FAs.

It's time to see if Willsmore, Webcam, TOB, JOR, Sicily, Brand, Litherland, etc were the right picks....

 

[Brishawk]

Yeah... nah....

I don't think you grab players early because that makes you unexpected.

You grab the best players at your pick and hope your judgement and processes are better than others.

Every club has its good and bad picks.

Hopefully our Irish lad proves a steal, we pioneered the NZ thing and I think have been as good as any with mature agers like Pops and Stratts, under agers like Shiels and Savage, and FAs.

It's time to see if Willsmore, Webcam, TOB, JOR, Sicily, Brand, Litherland, etc were the right picks....

Yep. You would never pick the second best player when the best player is available.

 

[seysearles]

 

[beta_condition]

8/10 for content
2/10 for spelling & grammar

Was that necessary? Don't be a dick

 

[cryptor]

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Some idiot has gone messed up the formatting of the beep test scores by putting zeroes on the end. They're not decimals values.

Eg. Olev Markov has been listed at 14.80 which makes it look like a decimal value higher than Lovell's 14.10. They're meant to be read "level 14, 8" and "level 14, 10" respectively.

At least they got the order right.

 

[MoustachioNuts]

Yeah... nah....

Hello Collins and Langford and Ayres.

you say yes, but then you change your mind and you say no.
I don't understand this, why?
You can delete when you type mistake and nobody knows any thing.
I do this.

Did you want me to know (in the secret) that you don't want my idea discussed?
pssst OK

I don't think you grab players early because that makes you unexpected.

Every master trainer in contact sports will teach - do the unexpected & you unbalance adversary.
Of course, AFL is a contact sport.

You grab the best players at your pick and hope your judgement and processes are better than others.

Listen...
Do you forget already Richmond with the mouse, Tambling?
This idiot team take Tambling (when he was supposed to) and ignored Franklin.
If they took Franklin earlier than expected, they would have him!
Again, my philosophy is elegant.
I have the facts and my opinion.

Every club has its good and bad picks.

Not every club.
Some clubs keep all the bad picks to themselves.
We are lucky in this one because no more Tim Hayzel.

Melbourne - forever
Fremantle - until Ross Lyon -> all bad picks! You have seen the youtube?

 

[Brishawk]

Hello Collins and Langford and Ayres.

you say yes, but then you change your mind and you say no.
I don't understand this, why?
You can delete when you type mistake and nobody knows any thing.
I do this.

Did you want me to know (in the secret) that you don't want my idea discussed?
pssst OK


Every master trainer in contact sports will teach - do the unexpected & you unbalance adversary.
Of course, AFL is a contact sport.


Listen...
Do you forget already Richmond with the mouse, Tambling?
This idiot team take Tambling (when he was supposed to) and ignored Franklin.
If they took Franklin earlier than expected, they would have him!
Again, my philosophy is elegant.
I have the facts and my opinion.


Not every club.
Some clubs keep all the bad picks to themselves.
We are lucky in this one because no more Tim Hayzel.

Melbourne - forever
Fremantle - until Ross Lyon -> all bad picks! You have seen the youtube?

You don;t have any facts. We took Luke Hodge at pick 1 because he was the best player in the draft. We took Roughy at pick 2 because he was the best player left in the draft. We took Franklin at 5 because he was the best player left in the draft. We took Ryan Burton at 18 because he was the best player left in the draft. By best player, I mean in the opinions of our recruitment staff they thought he was the best player. We didn't select him (or lovell or anyone else) to upset our opposition by doing something unexpected. We did it because we judged them the best available player. That our opinion of who is best differed from other clubs is not a material consideration in our recruitment decisions. While AFL is a contact sport, drafting players is neither a sport nor does it involve contact.

 

[cryptor]

You don;t have any facts. We took Luke Hodge at pick 1 because he was the best player in the draft. We took Roughy at pick 2 because he was the best player left in the draft. We took Franklin at 5 because he was the best player left in the draft. We took Ryan Burton at 18 because he was the best player left in the draft. By best player, I mean in the opinions of our recruitment staff they thought he was the best player. We didn't select him (or lovell or anyone else) to upset our opposition by doing something unexpected. We did it because we judged them the best available player. That our opinion of who is best differed from other clubs is not a material consideration in our recruitment decisions. While AFL is a contact sport, drafting players is neither a sport nor does it involve contact.

I'm pretty sure Hawthorn did rate Franklin higher but knew Richmond were well into Roughead and were scared off by Buddy's behavioral issues. We wanted both and so the only way to be a chance of getting both was to take Roughead first and then hope they would jump at Tambling over Buddy. Which they did.

 

[Brishawk]

I'm pretty sure Hawthorn did rate Franklin higher but knew Richmond were well into Roughead and were scared off by Buddy's behavioral issues. We wanted both and so the only way to be a chance of getting both was to take Roughead first and then hope they would jump at Tambling over Buddy. Which they did.

Considering buckenara almost read out another player's id I don't think they expected Franklin to last to 5 and had expected to take tambling.

 

[kazzooka]

RIP Keiran's AFL Career, we hardly knew you.

Shame on HFC.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Yep. You would never pick the second best player when the best player is available.

You would if you were trying to do the unexpected !!

 

[cryptor]

RIP Keiran's AFL Career, we hardly knew you.

Shame on HFC.

Might have to revise my Liston Trophy call...

 

[threesixpio]

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Good numbers! But most important number missed




36 (!!)

 

[Blaze Storm]

Well.... There goes our hopes for Lovell

 

[beta_condition]

RIP Keiran's AFL Career, we hardly knew you.

Shame on HFC.

Hmm?

 

[eldorado]

Hmm?

#36

 

[seysearles]

History of the number #36 at The Hawthorn Football Club

1939 Booth, F
1940 NO RECORD
1941 Murphy, L
1942 O'Donohue, J.P. / Barelli, A / Curran, F
1943-49 NO RECORD
1950 Turnbull, L / Fitchett, M
1951 Turnbull, L
1952-53 NO RECORD
1954 Nash, W
1955 Nash, W / Toohey, L
1956-60 Falconer, B
1961 Thorpe, P
1962 Lourey, D
1963 McMahon, M / Stratton, R / Bray, J
1964 McArthur, J / Gordes, N / Haydon, J
1965; 1967 Wynd, P
1966 Wynd, P / Mitchell, B
1968-72 Chiron, G
1973 Reinmuth, P / Aitken, R
1974 Aitken, R / Vansittart, R
1975-76 Douge, M
1977-78 Peers, R
1979 Sherwen, P
1980 Sherwen, P / Ablett, Gary
1981-85 Considine, P
1986 VACANT
1987 Dickson, R
1988 Boulton, D / Demetriou, A
1989 Demetriou, A
1990 McGrath, J
1991 Weeding, J / Ryan, M / Latu, J
1992-93 Nixon, R
1994 Kitchen, J
1995-96 Scott, B
1997 Holcombe, C
1998 Sharkey, P / Chambers, B (A) / Shawcross, A (A)
1999 Bowyer, G (R)
2000 Young, B
2001 Dent, M
2002 Georgiadis, M
2003-2005 Boyle, T
2006 Bailey, M
2007-2008 Kennedy, J
2009-2011 Lisle, J
2012-2013 Woodward, A
2014-2014 Wanganeen, D
2015 Webster, Z
2016 Keiran Lovell

I think that Keiran is already the best name on that list.

 

[grumbleguts]

Why? Hawthorn? WHYYYY?????

They must've HATED the kid. He slept with someone's missus and they said, right we draft the little ***ker and give him #36.

May as well break his legs, get it over with.

 

[TyHawk]

History of the number #36 at The Hawthorn Football Club

1939 Booth, F
1940 NO RECORD
1941 Murphy, L
1942 O'Donohue, J.P. / Barelli, A / Curran, F
1943-49 NO RECORD
1950 Turnbull, L / Fitchett, M
1951 Turnbull, L
1952-53 NO RECORD
1954 Nash, W
1955 Nash, W / Toohey, L
1956-60 Falconer, B
1961 Thorpe, P
1962 Lourey, D
1963 McMahon, M / Stratton, R / Bray, J
1964 McArthur, J / Gordes, N / Haydon, J
1965; 1967 Wynd, P
1966 Wynd, P / Mitchell, B
1968-72 Chiron, G
1973 Reinmuth, P / Aitken, R
1974 Aitken, R / Vansittart, R
1975-76 Douge, M
1977-78 Peers, R
1979 Sherwen, P
1980 Sherwen, P / Ablett, Gary
1981-85 Considine, P
1986 VACANT
1987 Dickson, R
1988 Boulton, D / Demetriou, A
1989 Demetriou, A
1990 McGrath, J
1991 Weeding, J / Ryan, M / Latu, J
1992-93 Nixon, R
1994 Kitchen, J
1995-96 Scott, B
1997 Holcombe, C
1998 Sharkey, P / Chambers, B (A) / Shawcross, A (A)
1999 Bowyer, G (R)
2000 Young, B
2001 Dent, M
2002 Georgiadis, M
2003-2005 Boyle, T
2006 Bailey, M
2007-2008 Kennedy, J
2009-2011 Lisle, J
2012-2013 Woodward, A
2014-2014 Wanganeen, D
2015 Webster, Z
2016 Keiran Lovett

I think that Keiran is already the best name on that list.

Nah, Vacant is the best name on that list!

 

[TyHawk]

Btw, I just wann say how ludicrous and elitist football has become! Beep tests and shuttle runs!!!! Maybe because of this stupid 'craze' we are missing out on the likes of Jarmans, Dippers or even Sam Mitchell's! It's about knowing where to run with and without the ball, strength in the core, kicking under pressure, composure, decision making, winning hard ball and how to play in a 'team' mentality. Speed, turning, vertical leap etc.. Are all secondary imo.

 

[beta_condition]

#36

The poor soul