2nds West Coast Eagles WAFL Watch 2024

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chaddy22 said:
For those who are wondering here we stand as regard the beagles for 2025

Up to eighty-three (83) cumulative player points• Up to twenty (22) Protected Players• Minimum of 25 WAFL Contracted players listed at all times.• Total Player Payments: 65% + Competitive BalanceBase TPP + (Super) $152,750 + ($18,330)Competitive Balance Rules + (Super) $13,000 + ($1,560)Total Ex $165,750 + ($19,890)Total Inc. Super $185,640.00

To put this in perspective Peel have 80 points and run a league and reserves teams and a minimum 55 players on their list.
The beagles have 83 points and a minimum 25 players. It looks like we can have as many players as we like so long as they don't exceed the 83 points cap.as a comparison East Perth, West Perth ,Claremont, Subiaco, Swans and East Freo have 90 points. Souths and Perth have more points under the competitive model.

The salary cap is two thirds of East Perth or less than fifty thousand dollars. Remember East Perth have a minimum 55 players on their list and have to pay all their Wafl players match payments unlike the Beagles who will Afl listed players on Afl contracts.

It is really up to the Beagles to recruit decent players from Other leagues.
East Perth have lost Crowden and Schumacher to the Sanfl. They have recruited delisted Afl geelong/Hawthorn player Cooper Stephens. I suspect he will be one of the better paid players at East Perth and the club will find him a decent job.

No reason the Beagles can't do the same especially with so many players leaving the club.
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Cooper Stephens hey?

Or otherwise known as one of the guys the Cats took with the Tim Kelly picks
 
Another player apparently signed - Jack Walsh from East Freo. 60 ressies games for East Freo and Peel over the last four years.

Also, Spadanuda and Luke Yeo were supposed to be on loan from EF last year. Spadanuda is now showing up as a Sharks player but Yeo is still an Eagle.
 

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We put more effort into crying about failure then trying to fix it. I wish Don Pyke put even 80% of the effort into fixing the problem as he does whinging about it.

The WAFL team that was the worst in the competition has basically lost its top 5 players. The club should be coming out and telling the fans what the plans are from here. We just threw away our experienced talent and a team devoid of leadership went from having a tiny bit to now literally has none.

Perhaps we sit here and wait til post rookie draft to bring in some players who didnt make it but we havnt shown any ability to do this for many years so not sure thats something worth banking on. We cant grab any WAFL players. They are all contracted so thats out the window

Instead of sending me emails about discounted merchandise, I think the club should be sending out emails explaining our future. If they cant send that email out, they probably dont have a plan for one
 
ROYAL EAGLE said:
We have really dropped the ball here
No new recruits not using our point allocation
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On the one hand it’s only November.

On the other hand it’s not looking good, is it.
 
Rotham set to sign with West Perth. Jordyn Baker back to East Perth.

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REVEALED: Where ex-Eagle Rotham will play next year

Josh Rotham has settled on where he’ll continue his footy career in the wake of being delisted by West Coast.
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WAFL 2024: West Perth set to sign former West Coast defender Josh Rotham after Eagles delisting​

Former West Coast defender Josh Rotham is set to return to West Perth, with the Falcons believed to be securing his signature in the coming days.
The West Australian understands Rotham, 26, will return to the Falcons for the first time since 2016, having played 23 colts games and two reserves clashes for the Joondalup-based side before being picked up by the Eagles.
Rotham was delisted by West Coast at the end of the season after 72 games in eight seasons, having been selected with pick No.37 in the 2016 national draft.

The 193cm defender played 13 games this season before being one of eight Eagles to be delisted at the end of the 2024 season.
There were talks he could end up at Essendon but it is now believed he will stay in Perth to re-join the Faclcons.
Rotham’s signature will be crucial for the Falcons after losing star swingman Noah Pegoraro who is heading to Melbourne to join partner Sasha Glasgow who plays for Super Netball side the Melbourne Mavericks.
Fellow defender Mark Hamilton has also retired, leaving the Falcons short of key defensive depth.
It is understood East Perth were in the frame for Rotham given he played 30 games for the Royals in 2017 and 2018 because of the Eagles alignment, but they could not fit him in because of their limited points.

West Perth have been on a strong recruiting drive with premiership star Mitch Peirce returning after a year away, while midfielders Roan Steele and Bake Waight have joined from Casey Demons and Glenorchy respectively.
They have also signed 199cm ruckman Matthew McKenzie from North Adelaide, after he averaged 12 touches and 16.5 hit-outs in 10 games.
Rotham is one of several former AFL players to return to the WAFL after being delisted.
Former Eagles teammate Zane Trew is back at Swan Districts, while Fremantle defender Ethan Hughes has joined South Fremantle alongside former Collingwood and West Coast WAFL player Trey Ruscoe and Eagles defender Jamaine Jones.
East Perth have recruited former Geelong and Hawthorn midfielder Cooper Stephens, while Sebit Kuek (Fremantle) and Jordyn Baker (West Coast) have returned from stints on AFL lists.
Essendon mid-season draftee Jaiden Hunter has joined Claremont, while former Fremantle rookie Conrad Williams has signed with Perth.
 
The very fundamental reason why we started the WAFL team is because we wanted a reserves side and now they are shocked when people don't want to play reserves footy. It's a bit of a different culture to the VFL where practically every side is a ressies team and you don't really have alternatives if you want to play high level football (which state comps certainly are). Here we do, you can play for 8 other sides. Even Freo/Peel is a better environment as they have a modicum of culture and comradery because they still have their zones and development pathways.

I genuinely can't see any reason why coming to the Eagles to be treated as a reserves player is in the slightest bit attractive.

If we're trying to promote it as a pathway to the AFL (or back into), it's a laughable notion and we're doing everyone a disservice. We don't want to fill quotas from the reserves for marketing purposes.

We got it wrong and we need a significant investment and committment to fixing it. To be fair to Pyke, I don't think he had much choice but to extend the arrangement, buying time to work out how you potentially decommission it and evolve into a better alternative. With all the other issues at the club in 2024 and uncertaintly following us from 2023, I wouldn't have had it at the top of my list for my team to invest time into. Now that we've stabalised to a degree, he'll be judged on the next 18 months.
 
I’m not across the cap or other restrictions but was there any chance for us to recruit any/all of Rotham, Jones, Trew, Witherden and anyone I’ve missed?

Maybe they reckon they might have a better chance of another go at AFL elsewhere?

But if there are no cap etc restrictions couldn’t we find-create off field jobs to boost their salaries? It ain’t like we’re not loaded.

Sure as hell the Beagles have to be competitive if the seniors are going to improve quickly.
 
Grahame said:
I’m not across the cap or other restrictions but was there any chance for us to recruit any/all of Rotham, Jones, Trew, Witherden and anyone I’ve missed?
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Maybe not all, but we could have kept some.

I’m hoping we convince Witherden to stay on as captain, think he’s the only delistee not already officially signed with another team.
 
Miguel Sanchez said:
Maybe not all, but we could have kept some.

I’m hoping we convince Witherden to stay on as captain, think he’s the only delistee not already officially signed with another team.
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Yep. Thanks. See others have signed elsewhere. But if we had the chance it seems ridiculous we couldn’t keep more than just (possibly) Witho.

Of course some might have ill feelings. Or simply wish to ‘relax’ elsewhere.
 

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Grahame said:
Yep. Thanks. See others have signed elsewhere. But if we had the chance it seems ridiculous we couldn’t keep more than just (possibly) Witho.

Of course some might have ill feelings. Or simply wish to ‘relax’ elsewhere.
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If the player is from WA, odds on they want to go back to the club they started with. The state of the Beagles probably just makes that decision even easier.
 
Underdog said:
The very fundamental reason why we started the WAFL team is because we wanted a reserves side and now they are shocked when people don't want to play reserves footy. It's a bit of a different culture to the VFL where practically every side is a ressies team and you don't really have alternatives if you want to play high level football (which state comps certainly are). Here we do, you can play for 8 other sides. Even Freo/Peel is a better environment as they have a modicum of culture and comradery because they still have their zones and development pathways.

I genuinely can't see any reason why coming to the Eagles to be treated as a reserves player is in the slightest bit attractive.

If we're trying to promote it as a pathway to the AFL (or back into), it's a laughable notion and we're doing everyone a disservice. We don't want to fill quotas from the reserves for marketing purposes.

We got it wrong and we need a significant investment and committment to fixing it. To be fair to Pyke, I don't think he had much choice but to extend the arrangement, buying time to work out how you potentially decommission it and evolve into a better alternative. With all the other issues at the club in 2024 and uncertaintly following us from 2023, I wouldn't have had it at the top of my list for my team to invest time into. Now that we've stabalised to a degree, he'll be judged on the next 18 months.
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Spot on summary imo

My only issue is while we're "buying time" our young players still aren't getting anything out of it.
 
Underdog said:
The very fundamental reason why we started the WAFL team is because we wanted a reserves side and now they are shocked when people don't want to play reserves footy. It's a bit of a different culture to the VFL where practically every side is a ressies team and you don't really have alternatives if you want to play high level football (which state comps certainly are). Here we do, you can play for 8 other sides. Even Freo/Peel is a better environment as they have a modicum of culture and comradery because they still have their zones and development pathways.

I genuinely can't see any reason why coming to the Eagles to be treated as a reserves player is in the slightest bit attractive.

If we're trying to promote it as a pathway to the AFL (or back into), it's a laughable notion and we're doing everyone a disservice. We don't want to fill quotas from the reserves for marketing purposes.

We got it wrong and we need a significant investment and committment to fixing it. To be fair to Pyke, I don't think he had much choice but to extend the arrangement, buying time to work out how you potentially decommission it and evolve into a better alternative. With all the other issues at the club in 2024 and uncertaintly following us from 2023, I wouldn't have had it at the top of my list for my team to invest time into. Now that we've stabalised to a degree, he'll be judged on the next 18 months.
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So what do you think the answer is?
 
Now the drafts are all done, hopefully we can convince someone who missed out (like Tom Bell, for example) to cross over and play for the Beagles on the basis they’re auditioning for a mid-season pickup.
 
Gee I really hope sorting out this absolute shit heap is a priority now the draft is finished.

Everyone, me included is pretty stoked with our draft haul.. but that's going to mean nothing or be potentially wasted if we don't have the right structure in place for their development.

The Beagles aint it. Fold that shit. Fold it good. Forget alignment, just spread the talent out to actual competitive WAFL teams with culture and people to learn from.
 
Does the WAFL have a soft cap on football departments?

One of things I noticed recently is how the WAFL sides have complete coaching and development panels... whereas we have... one coach. At least, that's what is listed on our website.

Is there any reason we can't be putting more money into Beagles staff?
 
Tyberious Funk said:
Does the WAFL have a soft cap on football departments?

One of things I noticed recently is how the WAFL sides have complete coaching and development panels... whereas we have... one coach. At least, that's what is listed on our website.

Is there any reason we can't be putting more money into Beagles staff?
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Our development coaches help with the WAFL side on game days - so the likes of Shannon Hurn and Jacob Brennan. Also Steve Trewhella

But there all part of the AFL umbrella as well which would be why they’re not named

That said, on balance the WAFL sides would have more resources than our side
 
How do you fix it? Say we have full availability, there's barely room for many extra players as it is. So it's a bit hard to to have a handful of seasoned players backing the squad up.

We need a reserves team for the WAFL but it will never happen without us either aligning with someone like Perth or the Eagles become a legitimate WAFL team with tiers.
 
WCErevival said:
How do you fix it? Say we have full availability, there's barely room for many extra players as it is. So it's a bit hard to to have a handful of seasoned players backing the squad up.

We need a reserves team for the WAFL but it will never happen without us either aligning with someone like Perth or the Eagles become a legitimate WAFL team with tiers.
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That's why it's a broken model imo

Can completely understand why we can't get good WAFL players to be a part of it. But we will never have "full" availability for more than a week or so, it just never happens in the AFL (for all clubs).

The best case is you have 3-5 injuries a week most weeks. Which means you need a good half dozen (at least) good WAFL standard players who know that if everyone is fit, they aren't playing.

And then if you cop more injuries, you have a bunch of ammos filling in and you get the results we have for the majority of the time the team has existed.
 
Have spent a bit of time thinking about the Beagles and how bad a development environment it is. We need to attract some good quality players so understand that there is no incentive for these players to come over. If we can leverage the direct pathway to the AFL system and allocate say two rookie list spots for squad members. One selection is from the best and fairest (guaranteed spot for one of the top three finishers) and potentially another list spot made available in the first couple of years to try and get attract some talent.
We could probably ask for concession from the AFL for an additional rookie spot as we haven't had the cap out given how bad we have been the last couple of years.
 

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