Western Bulldogs: Will they ever win another flag?

[royals1922]

Yep I have. Allison is the ugliest player ever, but Daniher granted, is not far behind.

hmm im sure Mick Martyn was a beat cop at some stage. Not sure now...

There was no footballer uglier than scratcher neal

 

[Bigeasy]

Um

 

[royals1922]

Um

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Craig Lambert was a pig dog but scratcher was one ugly Geelong rang a in a series of them, including Neville bruns

 

[cammo78]

Craig Lambert was a pig dog but scratcher was one ugly Geelong rang a in a series of them, including Neville bruns

Tim McGrath...

 

[cammo78]

Only poor clubs like Footscray merge.

We fought it and beat it.

Six short years later, your club actively sought to make it happen.

Poor clubs indeed.

LOL Norf.

 

[Tyler Durden007]

There was no footballer uglier than scratcher neal

You ever say anything nasty about Mark Scratcher Neal again and I will dig your eyeballs out with a spoon whilst playing Stuck in the Middle with You in the background

When I was a kid Scratcher used to work at a bakery across the road from K-Park where I had my early morning paper run. Daily exchange - one Geelong Advertiser for one cream cake of my choosing. Scratcher is a ****ing god-damned legend in my book

 

[Bigeasy]

You ever say anything nasty about Mark Scratcher Neal again and I will dig your eyeballs out with a spoon whilst playing Stuck in the Middle with You in the background

When I was a kid Scratcher used to work at a bakery across the road from K-Park where I had my early morning paper run. Daily exchange - one Geelong Advertiser for one cream cake of my choosing. Scratcher is a ******* god-damned legend in my book

Yep but he's still ugly.

 

[NorthernLights]

We fought it and beat it.

Six short years later, your club actively sought to make it happen.

Poor clubs indeed.

LOL Norf.

We fought it and beat it by winning too many games.

 

[cammo78]

We fought it and beat it by winning too many games.

Yeah. Nah.

LOL Norf.

 

[NorthernLights]

Yeah. Nah.

LOL Norf.

The AFL were scared of a "super team" if we were to merge (due to us being so dominant at the time). Therefore, we won are way out of a merger. Quite a story.

 

[Elite Master]

Yeah. Nah.

LOL Norf.

 

[cammo78]

The AFL were scared of a "super team" if we were to merge (due to us being so dominant at the time). Therefore, we won are way out of a merger. Quite a story.

True to form, you miss the key piece of information.

Your club actively sought to merge with another. It wasn't forced on you, you went out out of your way off your own volition to make it so.

Just like Melbourne.

Poor clubs indeed.

LOL Norf.

 

[NorthernLights]

True to form, you miss the key piece of information.

Your club actively sought to merge with another. It wasn't forced on you, you went out out of your way off your own volition to make it so.

Just like Melbourne.

Poor clubs indeed.

LOL Norf.

Our board wanted too. Thankfully, our TEAM proved too good to merge.

 

[cammo78]

Our board wanted too. Thankfully, our TEAM proved too good to merge.

Says it all, doesn't it.

Even at the top of their game, Norf can't survive and need to seek alternative means of survival.

Poor clubs indeed.

LOL Norf.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Can someone explain to Cammo the concept of a takeover.

We still won the flag that year, too, which is appropriate to this thread.

Then won another 3 years later.

 

[NorthernLights]

Says it all, doesn't it.

Even at the top of their game, Norf can't survive

But we did survive. And have survived tougher times as well.

need to seek alternative means of survival.

Evidently not.

 

[cammo78]

But we did survive. And have survived tougher times as well.

I'd say it's more a palliative care situation than a clean bill of health, really.

Poor clubs indeed.

LOL Norf.

 

[NorthernLights]

I'd say it's more a palliative care situation than a clean bill of health, really

lol. From a Bulldogs supporter. Be careful with that glass house of yours.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Also, can someone educate Cammo as to how to interpret net profit and significant debt reduction for four years running, whilst moving up the ladder?

 

[cammo78]

Also, can someone educate Cammo as to how to interpret net profit and significant debt reduction for four years running, whilst moving up the ladder?

At the same time, I'd appreciate some information on Non Current Assets and their role in a long term financial strategy when coupled with a non-reliance on unsustainable short term money grabs. Cheers.

Poor clubs indeed.

LOL Norf.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

At the same time, I'd appreciate some information on Non Current Assets and their role in a long term financial strategy when coupled with a non-reliance on unsustainable short term money grabs. Cheers.

Poor clubs indeed.

LOL Norf.

Wow, Cam, big words. Too bad you don't understand them. Here's some food for thought, by no means exhaustive.

Every functioning organisation relies on a strong base of assets, particularly NCA. The key is Net Assets, of course, which represent the enterprise value and is a number that has improved annually down at NMFC. A more appropriate query would relate to the matching, to the extent possible, of Current Assets with Current Liabilities and NCA with NCL. This is fundamental for liquidity purposes as many businesses with ostensibly strong balance sheets founder as a result of illiquidity.

The role of NCA in long-term financial strategy (s******) is therefore related to preserving and enhancing the capital value of the stakeholders.

An unsustainable short term money grab would be where you take cash from non-core and non-recurring sources to keep liquid in the current period. Paying the players, etc. It is the opposite of generating significant core-related cash enabling the organisation to retire significant debt annually, such that the Net Assets ratio has improved significantly in recent years. NMFC has done the latter, in a spectacularly successful way.

Do you want to hear about the differences between takeovers and sideways mergers now?

 

[cammo78]

Wow, Cam, big words. Too bad you don't understand them. Here's some food for thought, by no means exhaustive.

Every functioning organisation relies on a strong base of assets, particularly NCA. The key is Net Assets, of course, which represent the enterprise value and is a number that has improved annually down at NMFC. A more appropriate query would relate to the matching, to the extent possible, of Current Assets with Current Liabilities and NCA with NCL. This is fundamental for liquidity purposes as many businesses with ostensibly strong balance sheets founder as a result of illiquidity.

The role of NCA in long-term financial strategy (s******) is therefore related to preserving and enhancing the capital value of the stakeholders.

An unsustainable short term money grab would be where you take cash from non-core and non-recurring sources to keep liquid in the current period. Paying the players, etc. It is the opposite of generating significant core-related cash enabling the organisation to retire significant debt annually, such that the Net Assets ratio has improved significantly in recent years. NMFC has done the latter, in a spectacularly successful way.

Do you want to hear about the differences between takeovers and sideways mergers now?

Ergo. We don't own a ****ing thing, have no way of generating any revenue outside of Hobart (besides a ground breaking sponsorship with World Vision that produces exactly zero) and as soon as we knock back relocation and lose this ability that "spectacularly reduced debt" will again begin to mount in order for us to keep up with growing salary caps, footy department spends, etc.

I'm well aware of the ins and outs of finance, pal. Thanks anyway.

It's a shame the incumbents leading your organisation aren't.

Poor clubs indeed.

LOL Norf.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Ergo. We don't own a ******* thing, have no way of generating any revenue outside of Hobart (besides a ground breaking sponsorship with World Vision that produces exactly zero) and as soon as we knock back relocation and lose this ability that "spectacularly reduced debt" will again begin to mount in order for us to keep up with growing salary caps, footy department spends, etc.

I'm well aware of the ins and outs of finance, pal. Thanks anyway.

It's a shame the incumbents leading your organisation aren't.

Poor clubs indeed.

LOL Norf.

I hope for your sake that you're not trying to make a living in the area.

 

[hufus]

I don't know anything about economics, but what I do know is that Norf will survive either by moving, or by becoming significantly more supported locally, all while keeping costs down in a competition that gets more expensive every year. Same as the Dogs. Non-football investments might play a part too.

The thing is, I don't see where the Roos get those supporters. Tasmania is a good boost, but unless there's a bigger, longer commitment to it nothing will really come of it in terms of securing your future. The Dogs aren't in a great position either, but we do have one significant advantage, in that the West of Melbourne is Australia's fastest growing region, and has a strong amount of families with no team allegiance. We won't get them all, but we will get some of them, and more than anyone else. Norf has flitted around everywhere, in a part of Melbourne that is far more congested in terms of local teams. Hell, they've even tried to push into the outer west themselves, with no success.

It's not a case of saying the Dogs are fine and Norf are screwed. The Dogs are not fine, we've got to work hard to get there, and try to keep up with the wealthy clubs. But there is a window.

Norf is, however, screwed. You have no real prospects in increasing local support, you refuse to fully commit to anywhere outside Melbourne, and your facilities make Whitten Oval look like it's actually top-level. I wish you guys well, but wake up - your club is seriously, seriously in the poo. And that won't change unless you embrace Tasmania properly.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

^ It's not only economics that you don't know shit about.