What Carlton could have been..

[CrowAboutIt]

Hindsight is an extraordinary thing and this could be done for all clubs. However I think Carlton's seems like an exceptional circumstance.

Imagine if carlton:

1) Didn't trade for Judd
2) Didn't sack Fev
3) Picked Cotchin instead of Kruezer
4) Didn't trade Jacobs

They could have had:

1) A forward line with Fev and Kennedy
2) A midfield of Cotchin, Murphy, Gibbs, Carrazo, Simpson and pretty sure Dangerfield or Masten
3) Jacobs (leading hit-outs to adv) tapping it to that midfield

Are there any other clubs that in hindsight could have been this good?

 

[Neville Bartos]

Hindsight is an extraordinary thing and this could be done for all clubs. However I think Carlton's seems like an exceptional circumstance.

Imagine if carlton:

1) Didn't trade for Judd
2) Didn't sack Fev
3) Picked Cotchin instead of Kruezer
4) Didn't trade Jacobs

They could have had:

1) A forward line with Fev and Kennedy
2) A midfield of Cotchin, Murphy, Gibbs, Carrazo, Simpson and pretty sure Dangerfield or Masten
3) Jacobs (leading hit-outs to adv) tapping it to that midfield

Are there any other clubs that in hindsight could have been this good?

Hawthorn with Selwood (Thorp) and Mitch Clark (Dowler)

 

[the distributer]

Imagine if they didn't cheat, they'd have one or maybe even 2 extra flags by now.

 

[qldbluesman_43]

We could have won the a premiership already

OR we could be doing a Melbourne - a club with not leadership, no professional attitude, the most senior role models at the club being the likes of Fev..... so I say thank god we did those things. Kreuzer could still be anything, his career will surpass Jacobs easily and sure in hindsight who wouldn't want Cotchin - absolute beast of a player.

 

[BEEG]

Hindsight is an extraordinary thing and this could be done for all clubs. However I think Carlton's seems like an exceptional circumstance.

Imagine if carlton:

1) Didn't trade for Judd
2) Didn't sack Fev
3) Picked Cotchin instead of Kruezer
4) Didn't trade Jacobs

They could have had:

1) A forward line with Fev and Kennedy
2) A midfield of Cotchin, Murphy, Gibbs, Carrazo, Simpson and pretty sure Dangerfield or Masten
3) Jacobs (leading hit-outs to adv) tapping it to that midfield

Are there any other clubs that in hindsight could have been this good?

Could throw Wells and Goddard in if they did not cheat the salary cap

 

[TedDougChris]

Every club has these issues, look at Richmond and the Dogs passing up on drafting Buddy Franklin. Freo trading Andrew McLeod for Chris Groom (I think). Melbourne picking Watts over Nic Nat..... People not trusting Judds shoulders would come good. People worried about Selwood injuries...

Every club will have their tales of woe from drafting/trading, it's not an exact science...

 

[swansfan51]

Are there any other clubs that in hindsight could have been this good?

Yes - any of them. Demonstration:

Imagine how good Sydney would be if:

1) Picked Tippett ahead of Daniel O'Keefe
2) Didn't trade Dempster for a pick that got Brett Meredith
3) Picked Mundy instead of Josh Willoughby
4) Picked Rioli instead of Veszpremi
5) Picked Darling instead of Lamb

They'd fix their weakness, the forward line, and turn it into the best in the league with Reid/Tippett/Rioli/Darling
They'd have a midfield with a top-shelf run with player in Dempster and some extra outside flair in Mundy
Their defence would be unchanged as the top ranked in the league

Good old 20/20 hindsight?

 

[Glorious couch life]

Imagine if they didn't cheat, they'd have one or maybe even 2 extra flags by now.

But how many wouldn't they have?

 

[the distributer]

But how many wouldn't they have?

Hahaha, good point.

 

[KoutoufidesGhost]

5) Picked Darling instead of Lamb

Every club has this mistake on the resume. I was howling when Carlton let him go for Matthew Watson at #18. How a top five pick drops to 26 because of question marks on his behaviour, I'll never know.

 

[mightymightyblues]

ERMAGERD but imagine if like Richmond took Buddy over Tambling and Pavlich then totally over Fiora.
And Hawthorn took Pendlebury over Ellis and.......

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Imagine if we'd picked Franklin instead of Tambling......

There would have been 5,123,645 less posts on Big Footy!!!!!!

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Pointless thread is pointless

As said - hindsight is 20/20

Also Judd has added more in terms of professionalism and character than just his play.
Hard work, free's up Murphy from tag, Captaincy...
I don't think we would be at the same level without him at the club.

 

[watts4ever]

imagine if barassi stayed at melbourne! and if jim stynes didn't give away that 15m penalty!

 

[Blues_Man]

Hindsight is an extraordinary thing and this could be done for all clubs. However I think Carlton's seems like an exceptional circumstance.

Imagine if carlton:

1) Didn't trade for Judd
2) Didn't sack Fev
3) Picked Cotchin instead of Kruezer
4) Didn't trade Jacobs

They could have had:

1) A forward line with Fev and Kennedy
2) A midfield of Cotchin, Murphy, Gibbs, Carrazo, Simpson and pretty sure Dangerfield or Masten
3) Jacobs (leading hit-outs to adv) tapping it to that midfield

Are there any other clubs that in hindsight could have been this good?

Ok stupido here goes:

1: The Judd trade was a no brainer any club in the comp would have done the same and Carlton are better off with Judd .
2: Had no option but to sack Fev ..and their forward line actually became more productive once fev was gone (and Fev was still Fev even after he left)
3: Cotchin and Kruezer was a 50/50 option at the time, and The Jury is still out on whether Cotchin would have been a better fit than Kruezer .
4: Had no choice in trading Jacobs..he wanterd to go home to SA and 'thought his game time would be limited due to Carltons depth of big men.

Carltons list is fine..lets see what eventuates over the next few years before starting stupid and idiotic what ifs .

 

[Doss]

imagine if barassi stayed at melbourne! and if jim stynes didn't give away that 15m penalty!

Ah, Carlton would still have won the 1987 flag comfortably. The opinion of basically everyone was that the prelim was such a hard slog that whoever got through was stuffed, as Carlton had the week off.

Would have been one less story in folk lore though! And one less famous picture (the one of Northey blasting Stynes in the rooms).

 

[Roddy]

I just wish Luke McPharlin hadn't have been such a homesick mummie's boy. Imagine us with him in our backline now...

 

[blueboy25]

Imagine Adelaide if they didn't lose Bock, Davis and Tippett

 

[blueboy25]

Ah, Carlton would still have won the 1987 flag comfortably. The opinion of basically everyone was that the prelim was such a hard slog that whoever got through was stuffed, as Carlton had the week off.

Would have been one less story in folk lore though! And one less famous picture (the one of Northey blasting Stynes in the rooms).

And the GF was played on an unusually hot spring day, may even have hit 30 degrees.

 

[Silvagnis]

Imagine if they didn't cheat, they'd have one or maybe even 2 extra flags by now.

It evens out if you consider how many your mob handed us by choking.

 

[Glorious couch life]

imagine... if jim stynes didn't give away that 15m penalty!

An undeserving Melbourne would have been flogged in the GF by Carlton.

 

[Doss]

"Imagine all the people, sharing all the world, yoo hoo ooo..."

 

[MC_9]

Hawthorn with Selwood (Thorp) and Mitch Clark (Dowler)

Pendlebury (Ellis)

 

[watts4ever]

An undeserving Melbourne would have been flogged in the GF by Carlton.

the dees would have won the 87 and 88 gf and started a wonderful dynasty!

 

[Doss]

And the GF was played on an unusually hot spring day, may even have hit 30 degrees.

Really, about the most historically significant difference would have been that Hawthorn's streak of Grand Finals would have ended at four, rather than eventually growing to seven.

Considering the nature of the 1987 preliminary final, the strength of the 1987 Carlton team and the hot weather during the GF, Hawthorn did very well to get within 33 points.