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Dougie among the 3 best wingman I've seen play along with Keith Greig and Robbie Flower
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What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 3
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And once more. Bulldogs was trending and I was wondering what we'd done.
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I think i would have to add Matera to that list and possibly Dippa at his peak.
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Both have just been ejected from NRL.
Canterbury Leagues Club has net assets of $175m; they are more than fine.
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I thought you were talking about 2 clubs not 2 players until i googled it
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I thought you were talking about 2 clubs not 2 players until i googled it
Sorry, lol!
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yep both great players .
Hawk almost always played on Dipper , and from memory was far to good for him.
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Yeah he alway went well against Dipper
Hawker used to kill us but always played opposite to Dougie
Found the Grumpy Old Men episode, plus this from the club - today also the anniversary of the debuts of Georgiades, Clay Smith and Tory Dickson, as well as Hawk and Granty:
On this day: Bulldog champions who were no April Fools
A host of Bulldogs favourites made their debut on April 1.www.westernbulldogs.com.au
The most beautifully balanced player you will ever see and that kicking style! My god he was a beautiful player that just stood out. My all-time favourite.
Thanks for posting. In these shitty times it’s great to be reminded of how great the ‘Hawk’ was.
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For younger posters, it's funny seeing all this talk about this supremely skilled wingman who could kick beautifully on both sides.
I love Hunter, and he's obviously a far different type of player, but for some reason I can't exactly see him nailing an opposite foot 40m kick like Hawkins apparently could. It's weird to imagine a wingman who doesn't wheel around onto his preferred foot every time and slam the ball forward without any vision
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Herald Sun top 20 players for the bulldogs tomorrow. They did the hawks today and used 1987 onwards as the modern era.
So here we go I sure there will debate
1. Chris Grant
2. Doug Hawkins
3. Scott West
4. Brad Johnson
5. Marcus Bontempelli (Will go higher when finishes)
6. Bob Murphy
7. Dale Morris
8. Brian Royal
9. Matthew Boyd
10. Scott Wynd
11. Tony Liberatore
12. Leon Cameron
13. Adam Cooney
14 Jack Macrae (Will go higher when finishes)
15 Steve Wallis
16 Simon Beasley
17 Liam Picken
18 Rohan Smith
19Luke Darcy
19 Daniel Cross
20 Easton Wood
Did not make list as they were defectors Ryan Griffen/ Nathan Brown
So here we go I sure there will debate
1. Chris Grant
2. Doug Hawkins
3. Scott West
4. Brad Johnson
5. Marcus Bontempelli (Will go higher when finishes)
6. Bob Murphy
7. Dale Morris
8. Brian Royal
9. Matthew Boyd
10. Scott Wynd
11. Tony Liberatore
12. Leon Cameron
13. Adam Cooney
14 Jack Macrae (Will go higher when finishes)
15 Steve Wallis
16 Simon Beasley
17 Liam Picken
18 Rohan Smith
19Luke Darcy
19 Daniel Cross
20 Easton Wood
Did not make list as they were defectors Ryan Griffen/ Nathan Brown
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Good discussion point, but surely one of those Matthew Boyd's is actually Brad Boyd ???
FWIW, IMO - Underrating Smith, Wallis, Beasely (although this might be ok for 87 onwards....) and Darcy - slightly overrating Macrae and Leon Cameron. I'd also have Dale at 6.....
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Matthew Boyd is listed at 8 and 18. Unless we're considering Matthew Boyd as a midfielder (8) and defender (18)
Very good list though, and not much I'd argue with there. I'd probably have Darcy a bit higher, but not sure how far up he'd really go as I struggle to put him ahead of someone like Libba Snr.
Cooney won a Brownlow, but I'd have him lower tbh. He could have been one of the all time greats if his knees weren't made of paper mache
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Good idea. No major disagreement from me on your list, although you have two number 6s and two number 18s but Matthew Boyd twice for a total of 21!
Wynd and Darcy a bit underrated perhaps. Beasley hard to handle because he was towards the end of his career by the late 80s. I'd have Eagleton in the list ahead of Wood.
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Royal well ahead of Murphy.
And Cross nowhere near top 20 in my book. Way way overrated by the Bulldog faithful.
Steve Wallis also a little high.
As they say opinions are like a--- holes !
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The other thing about Hawkins that gets overlooked because he was so skillful , was he was very tough.
The Hawks always went out their way to rough him up , I'm sure that's why Dipper always seemed to go to him.
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Eagleton wouldn’t make my top 50
And Leon Cameron can GAGF, soft footballer that has spat in the clubs face since he took over that orange sh!t
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Matthew Boyd is listed at 8 and 18. Unless we're considering Matthew Boyd as a midfielder (8) and defender (18)
Very good list though, and not much I'd argue with there. I'd probably have Darcy a bit higher, but not sure how far up he'd really go as I struggle to put him ahead of someone like Libba Snr.
Cooney won a Brownlow, but I'd have him lower tbh. He could have been one of the all time greats if his knees weren't made of paper mache
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Herald Sun top 20 players for the bulldogs tomorrow. They did the hawks today and used 1987 onwards as the modern era.
So here we go I sure there will debate
1. Chris Grant
2. Doug Hawkins
3. Scott West
4. Brad Johnson
5. Marcus Bontempelli (Will go higher when finishes)
6. Bob Murphy
7. Dale Morris
8. Brian Royal
9. Matthew Boyd
10. Scott Wynd
11. Tony Liberatore
12. Leon Cameron
13. Adam Cooney
14 Jack Macrae (Will go higher when finishes)
15 Steve Wallis
16 Simon Beasley
17 Liam Picken
18 Rohan Smith
19 Luke Darcy
20 Easton Wood
Did not make list as they were defectors Ryan Griffen/ Nathan Brown
Not just Hawk either, if they watch games from that era and the 80s, they would see McGuiness often turn onto his (non-preferred right) and nail the pass, or kick long to get out of trouble. Likewise Edmond, even late in the final q of the 85 prelim, when the game hangs in the balance, turns onto his left to drill a pass. And the 85 game v Bombres at WO when we beat them to go to top of the ladder, Royal nails a goal from around 50 on his left - beautifully balanced. McLean was another from that era, and Neil Cordy (as frustratingly slow as he took to dispose at times!) taught himself to bounce the ball left-handed early in his career, and then rarely again ever bounced it with his right. I even remember Nathan Brown at what was then Colonial Stadium in the early days there lining up to kick long to the square on his natural left, then at the last second slightly altering his balance and passing to a free team-mate with a drilled right-footer. Gilbee and Cameron as have been discussed at length on here as well, were brilliant on their opposite side.
It's great Bont is multi-sided, as it gives him the option to go either way, and a real weapon (and uncertainty) for opponents that he can do it well. I can't understand how it is a skill sorely lacking in so many young players coming through though - can Macrea or Dunkley can further than 20m on their wrong foot?
(One of my favourite pieces of ambi-dexterity on a footy field dates from the mid-70s, and I'm sure it doesn't exist on film anywhere, as we we were rarely a Ch7 Replay club in those days, even often when playing against top clubs. At WO one day (would be about 1973-ish), Don Scott had been mauling Gary Dempsey at throw ins, and whoever his backup was had joined in during the game as well. Big Demps had had enough late in the game, so at a throw in on the member's side in front of the old terraces that pre-dated the seating on the wing, he competed from Scott's right, with his own right arm pushing Scott and also trying to get free to contest the throw-in. At the last minute as the boundary umpire lobbed the ball into the air, Big Demps brought his free left arm around in a beautiful motion that appeared to be going for the ball, but missed it completely and (quite clearly a deliberate action) smashed Scott clean in the face. The look of incredulity on Scott's face, that such a ball-player as Demps had done it, was a classic. But even more revealing was the umpire, who clearly saw it, but made no motion to do anything about it, and let it go. Hopefully he saw it as a small win for the good guys! As a young kid watching from the first few standing rows right in front of the contest, it was priceless!)
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I'd have Lake in the top 10 pretty comfortably.
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Just read your post and you are right about Dougie.....I still remember the 85 final series (lucky enough to be at each 3 of the games) and Dougie was brilliant in all 3 games....if my memory is correct even in the qualifying final against Hawthorn, where they served up a real belting, as usual Dougie and Dipper went at it where Dougie played that well Dipper got dragged....and Hawks won this game by 80/90 points.....unfortunately I only got to see EJ only once in his last year so for me Dougie is still the best player in red, white & blue who I've seen. Though it should be said The Bont is quickly closing the gap and you can only hope he gets thereToo right King. There's a Grumpy Old Men episode where they feature Dougie - in the highlights of that episode he takes contested marks, beats taller opponents with skill and body positioning, kicks a torpedo goal from outside 50 (before his ACL), and on the run pulls a left foot pass to the right of the goal square to hit Beasley without breaking stride. I agree, for all-round ability, and across 17 seasons, I'd rate him #1. Bont and Grant are/were superb players, but they had the advantage of an extra 14 and 13 cms, and while good on their non-preferred, Hawk was outstanding on both sides, kick or hb.
How lucky are we to have seen them all?!
True and although he didn’t have the biggest rig he was always the first in there flying the flag for his teammates. Never took a backward step did the Hawk.
Imagine what would have happened if Hawkins and ‘Super’ McPherson were playing in last years final against GWS... my god, those 2 would have been licking their lips!!
greene, de Boar etc would not have known what hit them.
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