What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4

[geoffjennings79]

I know it's not the point of the post but it is worth remembering that Contested Marks have only been recorded since 1999, so Chris Grant's, Brad Johnson's and Luke Darcy's numbers are missing for 1990-1998 and 1994-1998 respectively, as are any of our key forwards/backs who played before 1999.

Having said that Naughton will almost certainly be at #1 at the end of his career.

He may be #1 for the period that contested marks have been recorded, but a bloke by the name of Dempsey would still have him covered.
In the same way that in the few games where someone kept count Haydn Bunton had 45-50 possession games while the rest of his team struggled, or Taylor Swift breaks streaming "records" never afforded to The Beatles, comparisons between eras is largely meaningless. Scott Wynd regularly dropping in front of Lockett/Dunstall/Brereton/Ablett/Kernahan/Carey or Peter Foster outmarking those CHFs in direct one-on-one duels or the Knights/Vanderhaar duel also suffer in comparison with lack of meaningful statistics.

This isn't a go at you btw Oliver G or devaluing Naughton, I just largely ignore the modern claims of greatness across sport/music/etc largely by media or media-like reporting for this very reason.

It's not exclusive to our era though. The media in Bradman's time completely ignored the fact that someone like Victor Trumper played on uncovered and/or artificial pitches in far more challenging conditions. Or that Matthew Hayden's at the time record test score was against Zimbabwe's second-string bowling attack due to players being unavailable for political reasons.

I've heard Kelvin Templeton speak in person (albeit at a Melbourne FC event) and say his 9 goal effort against Geoff Southby in round 10 1978 was a better performance in his mind than the 15 goals he kicked a few weeks later given he was opposed late in that game by Robert Elliott (not exactly a renowned full back) and finally by 183cm Trevor Barker. But the obsession with best statistical performances always focusses on his 15.9.

Anyway, I should have posted this rant in the "Yelling at Clouds" thread, sorry...

 

[Oliver G]

He may be #1 for the period that contested marks have been recorded, but a bloke by the name of Dempsey would still have him covered.
In the same way that in the few games where someone kept count Haydn Bunton had 45-50 possession games while the rest of his team struggled, or Taylor Swift breaks streaming "records" never afforded to The Beatles, comparisons between eras is largely meaningless. Scott Wynd regularly dropping in front of Lockett/Dunstall/Brereton/Ablett/Kernahan/Carey or Peter Foster outmarking those CHFs in direct one-on-one duels or the Knights/Vanderhaar duel also suffer in comparison with lack of meaningful statistics.

This isn't a go at you btw Oliver G or devaluing Naughton, I just largely ignore the modern claims of greatness across sport/music/etc largely by media or media-like reporting for this very reason.

It's not exclusive to our era though. The media in Bradman's time completely ignored the fact that someone like Victor Trumper played on uncovered and/or artificial pitches in far more challenging conditions. Or that Matthew Hayden's at the time record test score was against Zimbabwe's second-string bowling attack due to players being unavailable for political reasons.

I've heard Kelvin Templeton speak in person (albeit at a Melbourne FC event) and say his 9 goal effort against Geoff Southby in round 10 1978 was a better performance in his mind than the 15 goals he kicked a few weeks later given he was opposed late in that game by Robert Elliott (not exactly a renowned full back) and finally by 183cm Trevor Barker. But the obsession with best statistical performances always focusses on his 15.9.

Anyway, I should have posted this rant in the "Yelling at Clouds" thread, sorry...

Yeah sorry I should've been more clear, in regards to him being #1 I was referring to any player who had played during the 1999-present era when contested marks for each game have been recorded.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Yeah sorry I should've been more clear, in regards to him being #1 I was referring to any player who had played during the 1999-present era when contested marks for each game have been recorded.

Don't apologise - I think you were clear enough - I just saw another opportunity for a tangential rant by using your molehill post and building a mountain!

 

[Next Waiting]

Don't apologise - I think you were clear enough - I just saw another opportunity for a tangential rant by using your molehill post and building a mountain!

A true Hall of Flamer

 

[Oliver G]

Don't apologise - I think you were clear enough - I just saw another opportunity for a tangential rant by using your molehill post and building a mountain!

I love it and wish more people would call out that sort of stuff. As someone who researches the history of Australian football for a living, it drives me crazy when I see people posting "most ever" records or comparing the careers of players decades apart.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I love it and wish more people would call out that sort of stuff. As someone who researches the history of Australian football for a living, it drives me crazy when I see people posting "most ever" records or comparing the careers of players decades apart.

Even the way that Champion Data slowly changed their statistical recording over the last 25 years of operations makes a difference too - a comparison that was made with Rowell being compared Paul Salmon's 'clearance' record:

Matt Rowell, Paul Salmon, and the footy record that was never to be

Clearance king Matt Rowell's astonishing game for the Suns drew headlines against Richmond, although it came up short of the great Paul Salmon — but as Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson write, the truth of who holds the record may be a matter of definition and measurement.

www.abc.net.au

Modern footy is far more contested (1999 had a tackle for every 12th disposal, modern footy less than every 6th disposal has a tackle). Yet Champion Data claims that the proportion of contested/uncontested footy has actually decreased (43% of 1999 possessions were contested, 38% of 2024 possessions are contested). Common sense would dictate that they define many possessions as contested in 1999 that they would consider uncontested in 2023 - even though the definitions remain the same.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I love it and wish more people would call out that sort of stuff. As someone who researches the history of Australian football for a living, it drives me crazy when I see people posting "most ever" records or comparing the careers of players decades apart.

I don't research for a living (in spite of what my better half thinks!), but I've been memorising games played, goals kicked and all sorts of stats for over 50 years. Plus collecting vintage footy cards, I've got a whole lot of pre-WW2 data at hand as well. It's a curse...

I remember far more from when I was a kid than recent years though - probably because as a kid you don't have mortgages, off spring, etc to compete for brain space!
(My mates see me as a valuable resource though for trivia and to settle arguments... )

 

[Oliver G]

Even the way that Champion Data slowly changed their statistical recording over the last 25 years of operations makes a difference too - a comparison that was made with Rowell being compared Paul Salmon's 'clearance' record:

Matt Rowell, Paul Salmon, and the footy record that was never to be

Clearance king Matt Rowell's astonishing game for the Suns drew headlines against Richmond, although it came up short of the great Paul Salmon — but as Cody Atkinson and Sean Lawson write, the truth of who holds the record may be a matter of definition and measurement.

www.abc.net.au

Modern footy is far more contested (1999 had a tackle for every 12th disposal, modern footy less than every 6th disposal has a tackle). Yet Champion Data claims that the proportion of contested/uncontested footy has actually decreased (43% of 1999 possessions were contested, 38% of 2024 possessions are contested). Common sense would dictate that they define many possessions as contested in 1999 that they would consider uncontested in 2023 - even though the definitions remain the same.

Champion's definition of contested and uncontested possessions has largely gone unchanged since 1999 but some interpretations of stats such as clearances and tackles have changed over the years.

The big issue for matches before Champion got the licence in the late '90s, was that as often it would be only one person recording the numbers live from the ground, so there would be substantial errors in most matches. Champion has redone a dozen or so matches (off tape) from the 70s to the 90s and there were differences from the Inside Football stats for pretty much every player.

These days there are half a dozen or so CD staff at each match along with another couple at CD HQ reviewing the match live for errors.

The other issue with recording stats for Australian rules football is that so many stats can be interpreted in different ways or be borderline calls, often up to the person "caller" doing the game.

 

[Dogs 13]

I love it and wish more people would call out that sort of stuff. As someone who researches the history of Australian football for a living, it drives me crazy when I see people posting "most ever" records or comparing the careers of players decades apart.

I’m always amused at BT declaring “world records” for clearances, intercept marks, tackles or whatever.

 

[Next Waiting]

It may've been a creative flourish on my behalf.

But If you're wearing Birkenstocks it doesn't seem beyond the realm of all possibilities.

Cords and sandals confirmed by Robbo and Gerard tonight.

You and your CSI thingymagig were spot on.

Think Robbo may have been reading this thread

In other less important observations, the consensus between the two of them is that Bevo is a fine, determined and enigmatic character who isn't leaving anytime soon.

 

[Hoges64]

Think Robbo may have been reading this thread

Should I be awaiting his response to this, then...???

Say what you like about the bloke (no, seriously, do it) but his ability to get in front of the camera absolutely smashed off his bonce and perform to even the below average level he does is impressive.

The wife and I bumped into him punching a dart near the portaloos at the MCG literally 7 minutes before going on air on the Friday night before the 2016 GF, and he was smashed. Just absolutely wrecked. Off his proverbial chops. Slurring, incoherent mumblings (how could you tell though, right?). We assumed he was going to be a late out for the show, there's no way he could go on in that state.

30 seconds before live on to the stage he wanders / stumbles. Sits down, doesn't even bother looking at or saying anything to Gerard, takes a mouthful of whatever was in his coffee mug, and away he went. Phenomenal effort.

Functioning alcoholics, god love 'em.

 

[Next Waiting]

Should I be awaiting his response to this, then...???

You might get a pm thanking you for filling in the blanks

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Cords and sandals confirmed by Robbo and Gerard tonight.

You and your CSI thingymagig were spot on.

Think Robbo may have been reading this thread

In other less important observations, the consensus between the two of them is that Bevo is a fine, determined and enigmatic character who isn't leaving anytime soon.

Be it an understanding of sartorial stylings, life or the incredible depth of my football knowledge.

Im always spot on.

 

[weltschmerz]

How a cricketer with one game of First XVII school footy experience ended up on Bulldogs' list

“The rest is history.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[Freshwater]

Why do I even bother. Just on the AFL website, ‘the round so far’ with Riley Beverage and old mate Cane Cornes, going over every game so far. They could not say one word about the Bulldogs last night, not one! All about the giants. How can such petty people rise to such positions within the so-called impartial AFL? Disgraceful for our young supporters and crusty old ones too, who want to relive some of yesterday’s good win.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Why do I even bother. Just on the AFL website, ‘the round so far’ with Riley Beverage and old mate Cane Cornes, going over every game so far. They could not say one word about the Bulldogs last night, not one! All about the giants. How can such petty people rise to such positions within the so-called impartial AFL? Disgraceful for our young supporters and crusty old ones too, who want to relive some of yesterday’s good win.

You shouldn’t be surprised two of the biggest clowns in the media

 

[JTCWBFC]

Why do I even bother. Just on the AFL website, ‘the round so far’ with Riley Beverage and old mate Cane Cornes, going over every game so far. They could not say one word about the Bulldogs last night, not one! All about the giants. How can such petty people rise to such positions within the so-called impartial AFL? Disgraceful for our young supporters and crusty old ones too, who want to relive some of yesterday’s good win.

haha just watched it & noticed the same thing - morons

 

[Planet Dogs]

Why do I even bother. Just on the AFL website, ‘the round so far’ with Riley Beverage and old mate Cane Cornes, going over every game so far. They could not say one word about the Bulldogs last night, not one! All about the giants. How can such petty people rise to such positions within the so-called impartial AFL? Disgraceful for our young supporters and crusty old ones too, who want to relive some of yesterday’s good win.

Thought the same thing. I don't mind though. If we have turned a corner I prefer that we fly under the media radar.

 

[MYOB]

Why do I even bother. Just on the AFL website, ‘the round so far’ with Riley Beverage and old mate Cane Cornes, going over every game so far. They could not say one word about the Bulldogs last night, not one! All about the giants. How can such petty people rise to such positions within the so-called impartial AFL? Disgraceful for our young supporters and crusty old ones too, who want to relive some of yesterday’s good win.

I came on here to say the same thing.
How is it even possible to look at a game and not say one thing about one of the 2 teams

 

[Freshwater]

I came on here to say the same thing.
How is it even possible to look at a game and not say one thing about one of the 2 teams

Especially the team that won. And they beat a premiership fancy, on their home deck, interstate. Pathetic little men.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Why do I even bother. Just on the AFL website, ‘the round so far’ with Riley Beverage and old mate Cane Cornes, going over every game so far. They could not say one word about the Bulldogs last night, not one! All about the giants. How can such petty people rise to such positions within the so-called impartial AFL? Disgraceful for our young supporters and crusty old ones too, who want to relive some of yesterday’s good win.

Thinking that there is any sort of impartiality within AFLMedia was your first mistake.

Thinking that Cornes would back away from his previous statements was your second.

If it's affirmation you seek, then watch the replay.

Not the imbeciles who are tasked with a facile post game review of events.

If it's the views of an imbecile that you truely seek. Then Im here for you.

 

[Bulldogs85]

Sen Article

The Western Bulldogs claimed their fifth win of the season on Saturday afternoon, securing an impressive victory against the out-of-form Giants by 27 points in Sydney.

In what was a dominant showing, the Dogs finished the game +21 in inside 50’s for 30 scoring shots, and while inaccuracy did keep the Giants in the game, the Bulldogs proved too good, picking up a very important four points on the road.
The Bulldogs’ execution in front of goal left a lot to be desired, with 22 behinds and just eight goals for the game, but it was young key forward Sam Darcy capping off an impressive effort, being the Dogs’ only multiple goal scorer without a bluff, nailing two majors.

The father-son prospect has garnered big praise for his performances throughout 2024, lifting his season tally to 18 goals through nine games in his first consistent season since his recruitment in 2021.

It begs the question; with Darcy remaining eligible for the Rising Star award (under 21 years old, with less than 10 games entering the season), can he compete for the award with the generational talent Harley Reid?

Former AFL star Scott Lucas

Scott Lucas

Age

46

Ht

192cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

3.1

3star

M

6.0

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

1.9

5star

No current season stats available

D

17.2

5star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.8

4star

M

6.6

5star

T

0.6

3star

G

4.4

5star

certainly believes so.











“He’s every bit equal favourite with Harley Reid (for the Rising Star award),” he told SEN’s Crunch Time.

“That’s not to diminish Harley, I think Sam could be the best player in the comp in three or four years, no doubt.

“I reckon there’s only a handful that can be that player, and he’s definitely one of them. He’s a unicorn.

“I follow the basketball; Victor Wembanyama, they can’t defend him in America. I think they call him 'the Martian' because it’s so rare, and Sam is that.

“He’s grown five or six centimetres, and his greatest advantage is his athleticism. He marks at the highest point.

“Sam will maximise every centimetre of his height, and it’s an extreme advantage.

“The only disclaimer, he is a third-year player versus a first-year player so will that come into the audit at the end of the year for the voters but just on what you see, raw numbers, he is outstanding.”

With the Swans, Magpies and Lions to come, Darcy and the Bulldogs will have to maintain their good form in order to keep their finals hopes alive.

 

[Freshwater]

Thinking that there is any sort of impartiality within AFLMedia was your first mistake.

Thinking that Cornes would back away from his previous statements was your second.

If it's affirmation you seek, then watch the replay.

Not the imbeciles who are tasked with a facile post game review of events.

If it's the views of an imbecile that you truely seek. Then Im here for you.

I was intrigued psychologically. I find humility to be an interesting and difficult for humans at every level and across both sexes equally. Self righteousness gets in their way, Cornes is swallowed by it.

 

[Next Waiting]

Thinking that there is any sort of impartiality within AFLMedia was your first mistake.

Thinking that Cornes would back away from his previous statements was your second.

If it's affirmation you seek, then watch the replay.

Not the imbeciles who are tasked with a facile post game review of events.

If it's the views of an imbecile that you truely seek. Then Im here for you.

As are we for you.

 

[Next Waiting]

How a cricketer with one game of First XVII school footy experience ended up on Bulldogs' list

“The rest is history.”

www.sen.com.au

Is school footy 17 a side?