Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

[Dylan82]

I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.

 

[ArdentEagle]

They're now saying that an ITK has said we're certain to trade 1 due to Reid flight fear, for, get this -1+F1 for 4 and 5

 

[Phas]

I'd say we're pretty desperate for a key defender like Curtin. I'd also say we're okay for half-forwards (which Reid is..) for another year or two, or could bring in Brockman or some smokeys like Noah Long in the 2022 daft.

Key Defenders:

No.	Name	GP	Age	DOB	Height	Weight	Origin	Position
20​	McGovern, Jeremy	172​	31.39​	15-Apr-92​	197cm	99kg	Claremont	Key Def
37​	Barrass, Tom	132​	27.91​	8-Oct-95​	197cm	96kg	Claremont	Key Def
35​	Rotham, Josh	59​	25.53​	25-Feb-98​	193cm	89kg	West Perth	Key Def
42​	Edwards, Harry	30​	22.93​	1-Oct-00​	200cm	98kg	Swan Districts	Key Def
33​	Bazzo, Rhett	20​	19.88​	17-Oct-03​	195cm	86kg	Swan Districts	Key Def

I get Reid is a great talent, but is he really what the list needs for the next 10 years? I'd be happier if we could find a way to get both Duursma and Curtin by flipping #1. Duusma could be the same match-winning mid/fwd in the long run anyway and is a better size.

 

[ArdentEagle]

To be fair, I think the whole point of Gold Coast is to create a footy talent pool in Queensland outside the metro area. Whether they are kids that have started playing footy in QLD or started elsewhere and moved to QLD, the GC Academy is the pathway to the AFL for any country QLD kids to be identified and developed in areas that dont have great access to coaching and facilities. While it sucks to miss out on a quality WA lad, I dont really have a problem with this as it does offer kids in QLD a much better opportunity to make it to AFL ranks irrespective of whether they have jumped codes or played footy since Auskick.

They need to pull it back a bit, they're getting too much of a leg up now

 

[Jupes]

1 plus a 2nd rounder for pick 2

Early days but far out that’s gonna take some beating

a new challenger has emerged on the draft board thread that has some ITK mail saying we are giving up pick 1 and our F1 for two top 10 picks this year

 

[bzparkes]

I'd say we're pretty desperate for a key defender like Curtin. I'd also say we're okay for half-forwards (which Reid is..) for another year or two, or could bring in Brockman or some smokeys like Noah Long in the 2022 daft.

Key Defenders:

No.	Name	GP	Age	DOB	Height	Weight	Origin	Position
20​	McGovern, Jeremy	172​	31.39​	15-Apr-92​	197cm	99kg	Claremont	Key Def
37​	Barrass, Tom	132​	27.91​	8-Oct-95​	197cm	96kg	Claremont	Key Def
35​	Rotham, Josh	59​	25.53​	25-Feb-98​	193cm	89kg	West Perth	Key Def
42​	Edwards, Harry	30​	22.93​	1-Oct-00​	200cm	98kg	Swan Districts	Key Def
33​	Bazzo, Rhett	20​	19.88​	17-Oct-03​	195cm	86kg	Swan Districts	Key Def

I get Reid is a great talent, but is he really what the list needs for the next 10 years? I'd be happier if we could find a way to get both Duursma and Curtin by flipping #1. Duusma could be the same match-winning mid/fwd in the long run anyway and is a better size.

Don't need a half-forward but should recruit Duursma?...


Whose burner account is this?

 

[Jupes]

I'd say we're pretty desperate for a key defender like Curtin. I'd also say we're okay for half-forwards (which Reid is..) for another year or two, or could bring in Brockman or some smokeys like Noah Long in the 2022 daft.

Key Defenders:

No.	Name	GP	Age	DOB	Height	Weight	Origin	Position
20​	McGovern, Jeremy	172​	31.39​	15-Apr-92​	197cm	99kg	Claremont	Key Def
37​	Barrass, Tom	132​	27.91​	8-Oct-95​	197cm	96kg	Claremont	Key Def
35​	Rotham, Josh	59​	25.53​	25-Feb-98​	193cm	89kg	West Perth	Key Def
42​	Edwards, Harry	30​	22.93​	1-Oct-00​	200cm	98kg	Swan Districts	Key Def
33​	Bazzo, Rhett	20​	19.88​	17-Oct-03​	195cm	86kg	Swan Districts	Key Def

I get Reid is a great talent, but is he really what the list needs for the next 10 years? I'd be happier if we could find a way to get both Duursma and Curtin by flipping #1. Duusma could be the same match-winning mid/fwd in the long run anyway and is a better size.

that you ralphy?

 

[Phas]

Don't need a half-forward but should recruit Duursma?...


Who's burner account is this?

Don't need one as much as a KD, personal crush on Duursma after watching his u18's.
Getting both of those guys is impossible unless a team can give us something like picks 3 & 4 for pick 1, so a bit of a pipedream.

 

[bzparkes]

Don't need one as much as a KD, personal crush on Duursma after watching his u18's.
Getting both of those guys is impossible unless a team can give us something like picks 3 & 4 for pick 1, so a bit of a pipedream.

Please explain to me why we need a KPD, when our biggest issues are at stoppages.

 

[eagles rule]

Except it isn't with Reid, who has already stated he is happy to play anywhere. He's also mates with some of our younger players and reportedly has spoken to one of them regarding accommodation, likely Chesser or Long.

This rumour will probably be on the back page of tomorrow’s paper ..


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[Doashuey]

They need to pull it back a bit, they're getting too much of a leg up now

Maybe. This is a team that has been in the comp for what? 12 years and haven't made the top 8 yet. There is a decent argument that it isnt too much of a leg up.

The other thing is, if the Suns are to stop being a feeder club for high end draft picks back to Victorian teams, history tells us they need to focus on drafting high end local talent. The acadmies acheive this outcome which is good for all teams outside of Victoria.

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

I'd say we're pretty desperate for a key defender like Curtin. I'd also say we're okay for half-forwards (which Reid is..) for another year or two, or could bring in Brockman or some smokeys like Noah Long in the 2022 daft.

Key Defenders:

No.	Name	GP	Age	DOB	Height	Weight	Origin	Position
20​	McGovern, Jeremy	172​	31.39​	15-Apr-92​	197cm	99kg	Claremont	Key Def
37​	Barrass, Tom	132​	27.91​	8-Oct-95​	197cm	96kg	Claremont	Key Def
35​	Rotham, Josh	59​	25.53​	25-Feb-98​	193cm	89kg	West Perth	Key Def
42​	Edwards, Harry	30​	22.93​	1-Oct-00​	200cm	98kg	Swan Districts	Key Def
33​	Bazzo, Rhett	20​	19.88​	17-Oct-03​	195cm	86kg	Swan Districts	Key Def

I get Reid is a great talent, but is he really what the list needs for the next 10 years? I'd be happier if we could find a way to get both Duursma and Curtin by flipping #1. Duusma could be the same match-winning mid/fwd in the long run anyway and is a better size.

Give me a spell

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

This rumour will probably be on the back page of tomorrow’s paper ..


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Karl Langdon said it on the news last night, who supposedly has a link to some of our recent draftees.

 

[Phas]

Give me a spell

Avada Kedavra?

Do you really think Harry Edwards and Josh Rotham are going to be our next premiership KPD's?

 

[TerryFilk]

They're now saying that an ITK has said we're certain to trade 1 due to Reid flight fear, for, get this -1+F1 for 4 and 5

So 1 and likely a top 2 pick next year for 4 and 5 (which will be 6 and 7 after McKay compensation and Walter bid)… they are hilarious

 

[ArdentEagle]

Avada Kedavra?

Do you really think Harry Edwards and Josh Rotham are going to be our next premiership KPD's?

You had to go too far and use the Death spell. Bloody Slytherin scum!!

 

[EagleJack42]

In my opinion it all hinges on what happens with Ben Mckay. As a North supporter I hope he stays. However in the event that Mckay leaves and we get pick 3 then I would hope that we draft McKercher then Curtin as that is what we need. It also depends on how much the Eagles rate Curtin.

I think this is an excellent point and I'd love to hear the thought's of others on this but surely North Melbourne DOES NOT get Pick 3 as a band-1 compensation draft pick for this guy based on three things:

1. Salary - Has to be earning 800k+ at his new club placing him in the top 30 players in the comp (top 5% of earners)
2. History - Since 2014, there has only ever been 2x other players earning Pick 3 (or anything near it) as a band-1 compensation (Tom Lynch, James Frawley) who both were much better players at this stage of their careers I'd argue.
3. AFL's secret special sauce (based on intangible statistics aka. Champion Data) - Despite being marked as elite in only 1x category for this season only, and no better than above average or average in all categories across his career, I just don't see him being worthy of pick 3. Joe Daniher was like 5 or 7 or something, and more players than I could count ended up in the 10s.

Of course, we all know the AFL will provide North whatever they need if it "benefits the game" just like the nonsensical pick Geelong got given to bring Ablett back home.....

 

[eagles rule]

Depends how badly Norf want Reid

I don’t even think Norf want Reid and would be happy with Picks 2-3 + Sanders ..


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[bzparkes]

Avada Kedavra?

Do you really think Harry Edwards and Josh Rotham are going to be our next premiership KPD's?

There's other options that don't include giving up the best talent to come through the draft in years.

Remind us where McGovern and Barrass went in the draft again?

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Avada Kedavra?

Do you really think Harry Edwards and Josh Rotham are going to be our next premiership KPD's?

Nope, but barrass should be around for another 5 years, Bazzo looks solid so far and we can grab a defender with our 2nd rounder anyway as there are a few good ones around that mark. Not to mention Gov was a rookie pick, Barrass was a pick in the 40s. You generally don't need to give up top picks to find quality key defenders, and especially when the top pick this year is exactly what we need that is only found at the pointy end of the draft.

There is a reason Reid is being talked up as a generational talent, he can do things most others can't and he can play any position just about, he is definitely not just a half forward. Good chance we can shake Curtin loose from norf in a few years anyway, if we don't take Reid now he'll never play for us. You don't turn down talents like that. Also there is only a 4cm height difference between Reid and Duursma, and his older brother xavier is not exactly a unit. Reid already weighs more than Duursma despite the 4cm difference in height, so not sure if him being a "better size" is justifies passing over Reid who has shown far more midfield craft than Duursma, Based on speculation about how big they will end up when they're fairly similar sizes.

No feasible way we end up with both Curtin and Duursma anyway as Norf seem more and more likely to take him. Would hate to have sat through the season from hell which is mostly attributed to our decimated midfield only for us to draft 2 flankers in Duursma or Curtin with "midfield potential", given that we've been sold that dream time and time again in the last 15 years and very rarely has it worked out.

 

[Phas]

There's other options that don't include giving up the best talent to come through the draft in years.

Remind us where McGovern and Barrass went in the draft again?

Their draft positions aren't the problem. We've been blessed with big men like Jacko, Glass, Big Easy, Gov & Barrass. By the time their predecessors were nearing retirement, there was someone waiting to take the mantle. This time we have... Josh Rotham?

I'm suggesting we need to target talent that fits a need.

The fact Reid is considered the messiah because he plays in a comparable fashion to someone who went pick 3. Then there's also the statistical fact that he's not even likely to be the best player in his draft year when it's all said and done. Why not give ourselves a better chance of striking gold by splitting and plugging some KPD holes at the same time?

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

Last year we essentially traded Sheezel for Ginbey and Hewett, and I don't think that was a wrong decision.

Okay, but Reid is a better prospect than Sheezel, and Ginbey & Hewett over Curtin at their respective draft positions.

 

[Phas]

Nope, but barrass should be around for another 5 years, Bazzo looks solid so far and we can grab a defender with our 2nd rounder anyway as there are a few good ones around that mark. Not to mention Gov was a rookie pick, Barrass was a pick in the 40s. You generally don't need to give up top picks to find quality key defenders, and especially when the top pick this year is exactly what we need that is only found at the pointy end of the draft.

There is a reason Reid is being talked up as a generational talent, he can do things most others can't and he can play any position just about, he is definitely not just a half forward. Good chance we can shake Curtin loose from norf in a few years anyway, if we don't take Reid now he'll never play for us. You don't turn down talents like that. Also there is only a 4cm height difference between Reid and Duursma, and his older brother xavier is not exactly a unit. Reid already weighs more than Duursma despite the 4cm difference in height, so not sure if him being a "better size" is justifies passing over Reid who has shown far more midfield craft than Duursma, Based on speculation about how big they will end up when they're fairly similar sizes.

No feasible way we end up with both Curtin and Duursma anyway as Norf seem more and more likely to take him. Would hate to have sat through the season from hell which is mostly attributed to our decimated midfield only for us to draft 2 flankers in Duursma or Curtin with "midfield potential", given that we've been sold that dream time and time again in the last 15 years and very rarely has it worked out.

I don't like the chances of shaking Curtin loose if we don't draft him. I was holding out hope for either of the Swallows or even Liam Anthony back in the day and it never happened.

If we drafted Curtin, I'd expect him to be our KPD captain in 4-5 years after Oscar Allen hands it off.

 

[ROO DOGG]

What’s the process / procedure as to when these kids have to advise the AFL that the are in agreement to be taken as academy kids.
Could he do a Marc Murphy and nominate for the open draft ( if we pursed him and told him we would take him with pick 1 ).
All hypothetical I know, but what’s your understanding of the process at play ?

No doubt we would be able to pay him loads more than Gold Coast after his first 2 years are up.

 

[bzparkes]

Their draft positions aren't the problem. We've been blessed with big men like Jacko, Glass, Big Easy, Gov & Barrass. By the time their predecessors were nearing retirement, there was someone waiting to take the mantle. This time we have... Josh Rotham?

I'm suggesting we need to target talent that fits a need.

The fact Reid is considered the messiah because he plays in a comparable fashion to someone who went pick 3. Then there's also the statistical fact that he's not even likely to be the best player in his draft year when it's all said and done. Why not give ourselves a better chance of striking gold by splitting and plugging some KPD holes at the same time?

Because that can be done later in the draft, as there's a few KPPs in the late first/early second round, and the draft is fairly even after that.

Reid doesn't even have to be the best player in the draft but he's the highest chance of being so. WCE just need to ensure they get an A grader in the middle, so if it's not Reid, then McKercher should be the next priority in the event of trading #1.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

What’s the process / procedure as to when these kids have to advise the AFL that the are in agreement to be taken as academy kids.
Could he do a Marc Murphy and nominate for the open draft ( if we pursed him and told him we would take him with pick 1 ).
All hypothetical I know, but what’s your understanding of the process at play ?

This has been my question.

If he did go into the open draft and north didn't get band 1 compo pick, we could then chase gold coast pick 4 and almost be guaranteed Curtin as well.

1 Walter WC
2 Reid North
3 Duusma hawks
4 Curtin

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