Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

[Dylan82]

I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.

 

[Free Agent]

No chance we will get a PP this season
If we are in the same place next season with being uncompetitive it's a possibility.

 

[eaglespremiers]

The best Harley Reid comparison I think is the 2019 draft with Matt Rowell

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Matt Rowell

Age

23

Ht

180cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

T

5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

Go through the top 10 and think of any combination of 3 first rounders you would want for Rowell and its pretty difficult to find.....

2019 AFL draft - Wikipedia

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Best kjind of deal we would be heading towards in that example would be Lachie Ash, Hayden Young

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Hayden Young

Age

23

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

3star

MG

160.0

3star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.2

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

160.0

3star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.4

4star

MG

160.0

3star

, Caleb Serong

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Caleb Serong

Age

23

Ht

180cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

4star

CL

2.6

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

but rest would be a immense loss on if we gave up the pick 1 for 3 top 10 picks in that similar draft

All in all a easy decision to keep pick 1 when you look at that draft

Anderson, Jackson and Serong would be a pretty spectacular haul. Basically your midfield set up.
But that's a best case scenario.

 

[Jupes]

afl more likely to give norf pick 1 as a pp than helping us out imo

 

[Rowan18]

I can't see the AFL giving us an inch. Even a pick to trade would be generous given West Coast has got themselves into this mess. Neither injuries to senior players nor poor list management generally should be used as a justification for priority selections. We're too rich and too successful a football club to warrant sympathy.

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Doesn't every bad club get themselves into the mess? Our mistakes are nothing compared to those done by North, Carlton, Melbourne and Brisbane in the past. The question should be, does the AFL want us to stay in a mess for 5 more years or to get us up and going quicker.

I don't think pick 2 is the answer either. Others have suggested things like soft cap relief, being able to match all NGA and more rookie spots etc. Those would be much more practical and don't hurt other clubs.

 

[Coasters7]

Doesn't even bad club get themselves into the mess? Our mistakes are nothing compared to those done by North, Carlton, Melbourne and Brisbane in the past. The question should be, does the AFL want us to stay in a mess for 5 more years or to get us up and going quicker.

I don't think pick 2 is the answer either. Others have suggested things like soft cap relief, being able to match all NGA and more rookie spots etc. Those would be much more practical and don't hurt other clubs.

3 wins in 30+ is priority pick worthy imo. Probably not pick 2 but definitely an end of first. Like you mentioned though I’d be happy enough just being given an “even” playing field, something to counteract the travel factor and lack of ability to lure top talent across, both on and off field.

Reality is thought that the AFL couldn’t give two shits. We’re still pulling solid crowd numbers, not losing them money like Norf and aren’t competitive against their real money makers. Basically their dream scenario. We won’t get any handouts until things really hit the shit

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Doubt the AFL will be that generous.

My understanding its goes to the AFL commission to make that decision
I have also heard that when the commission was in Perth at the Collingwood game there was real concerns
as to where WCE will be over next few years on field.
With Goyder as chairman and WCE having a worst record than the last two teams to be given a PP we should be asking the question ?

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Have you heard anything about what players we like RE?

WA boys
Curtain and Edwards
Interstate apart from Harley
We have interest in
McKercher
Jed Walter I think we may even bid on him something we normally wont do (he grew up in WA)
Will Green and Taylor Goad as Ruckman
Moir but he looks like second rounder now

 

[ziad]

Reactionary thread as I've ever seen.

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Thats an over reaction

WA boys
Curtain and Edwards
Interstate apart from Harley
We have interest in
McKercher
Jed Walter I think we may even bid on him something we normally wont do (he grew up in WA)
Will Green and Taylor Goad as Ruckman
Moir but he looks like second rounder now

why not get the quality players, who cares where they live. The WA U18's are in about as much trouble as the eagles.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Thats an over reaction

why not get the quality players, who cares where they live. The WA U18's are in about as much trouble as the eagles.

What are you talking about ?
I only mentioned two WA boys and both are quality ?
The rest I mention are boys have been told we have interest in.
We need KPD so Curtain will be in the frame for WCE.
Mitch Edwards was playing wafl last year, he is going to be a very very good Ruckman,
he could play AFL now.

There has also been lots of shit WA under 18's sides that have wa players drafted that go on to have great careers
Jeez Nat Fyfe had a crap under 18 championships, people thought he was skinny hack at the time, he then went on to
dominate for his colts side Claremont, in the back half of the colts season.

 

[Wooshaaaa]

No one's giving up 3 first rounders for Reid this year. Take him, make him play and if he is as good in the big leagues as everyone's gushing for and lights it up like Ashcroft or daicos are then he'll be worth more. When he want home then we get back all the picks we lost for TK. In the mean time we get a player that might make a big difference for us in a short amount of time.

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[BrotherDodge]

We should absolutely take Reid. A midfield full of pretty good players isn't going to win a flag. You need at least one absolute gun who makes everyone around him better, and we'll probably never get a better chance to pick one up than this year.

 

[CountryLad]

My understanding its goes to the AFL commission to make that decision
I have also heard that when the commission was in Perth at the Collingwood game there was real concerns
as to where WCE will be over next few years on field.
With Goyder as chairman and WCE having a worst record than the last two teams to be given a PP we should be asking the question ?

I think it will be a difficult job to convince the AFL. We dragged ourselves through Covid kicking and crying why me and the current mess is our own doing. At least that’s the way the media view it and I would expect some backlash from the media if we approached the AFL.
I hope you’re right and there are genuine concerns in the AFL commission because we are currently a mess.
Just out of curiosity you mention Goyder is there a reason for this other than he simply is the chairman?

 

[CountryLad]

Thats an over reaction

why not get the quality players, who cares where they live. The WA U18's are in about as much trouble as the eagles.

Just because the team had a bad game doesn’t mean there isn’t quality within the group. It probably affects the guys that are on the fringe of being drafted more than anyone.

 

[eaglespremiers]

No one's giving up 3 first rounders for Reid this year. Take him, make him play and if he is as good in the big leagues as everyone's gushing for and lights it up like Ashcroft or daicos are then he'll be worth more. When he want home then we get back all the picks we lost for TK. In the mean time we get a player that might make a big difference for us in a short amount of time.

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He'll be quite a bit better than Ashcroft.

 

[The Stid]

May cop a bit for this opinion, but I’m not big using top picks on KPD’s or Rucks (unless it’s a NN type generational ruck). We have a proven track record of finding & developing those players with later picks. In particular KPD’s. Midfielders - not so much.

The last midfielder we actually drafted & developed into a best 22 player was Sheed 10 years ago. I can’t help but feel it’ll be a bit of a cockup if we split pick 1 (if we get it) to take Curtin & Edwards & then some mids around the same picks that we‘ve been selecting our mids from over the past several drafts (late 20’s onwards). The XON, Foley, Ainsworth, Partington, Colledge, Main, Winder types for example.

I’d be taking Reid & look at trading back into this years first round. There are some suggestions of trading out of next years first round. Which has a bit of a mixed response on here. Could something like this work.

WC trade F1 for one of GWS own first this year & F1

GWS still have the Richmond pick this year, potentially a first for Himmelberg & will be banking on us finishing bottom next year & for themselves to rise up the ladder. For us we get a second selection in the top 10 this year while still maintaining a presence in next years first round. I don’t see GWS rising that far up the ladder next year FWIW. I’d then consider using that GWS pick on Watson if we have any concern around Reid getting home sick. Similar to GC drafting Rowell & Anderson together. Reid & Watson appear to be good mates.

 

[Free Agent]

3 wins in 30+ is priority pick worthy imo. Probably not pick 2 but definitely an end of first. Like you mentioned though I’d be happy enough just being given an “even” playing field, something to counteract the travel factor and lack of ability to lure top talent across, both on and off field.

Reality is thought that the AFL couldn’t give two shits. We’re still pulling solid crowd numbers, not losing them money like Norf and aren’t competitive against their real money makers. Basically their dream scenario. We won’t get any handouts until things really hit the s**t

Things are hitting the shit in the WAFL though. And no one's going to that anymore. Only a matter of time something similar will happen at AFL level if we stay uncompetitive forever. Already been two years of losing and to be honest I'm at my lowest interest in the club then ever before. Sometimes I don't even watch our games. Especially if we continue to lose by 100+ margins. Turn it off at half time and do something else

AFL sort of deserve what's happening in WA footy. It's a national comp but WA gets neglected. I've never seen the comp more stale then it is now. It's horrible watching it. I have to bet on some games just to make it interesting to watch these days. I have no idea why people waste there time actually going to games. Must be the nice atmosphere because it surely not the footy.

 

[kranky al]

It depends on the quality of 2-10. It sounds like Reid is looking head and shoulders above the rest at the moment, so if that continues, I think we select him. If it gets more even, then I'd be happy for 4 and 6 from GWS.

Every flag team needs a bont / dusty / petracca etc type superstar mid.

You could argue that the only team not to have one in recent memory is the eagles and that only because smitchell had our midfield operating at a level it never has since.

If we trade and end up with a couple of b+ / a- mids i will be funking fuming.

 

[kranky al]

No chance we will get a PP this season
If we are in the same place next season with being uncompetitive it's a possibility.

I read somewhere that no team with under two wins in a season two years in a row has not recd a pp.

 

[Free Agent]

I read somewhere that no team with under two wins in a season two years in a row has not recd a pp.

AFL hate us. We are neglected because we are rich and continue to make them money. We will need another year at the very least being crap to get one.

Guess we getting another record.
First team with no wins to get nothing from the AFL

 

[Total_Juddshanks]

Every flag team needs a bont / dusty / petracca etc type superstar mid.

You could argue that the only team not to have one in recent memory is the eagles and that only because smitchell had our midfield operating at a level it never has since.

If we trade and end up with a couple of b+ / a- mids i will be funking fuming.

If you look at where those really top tier midfield bulls come from, they're usually a high draft pick but beyond that there's no real science to it- if you look at the current top 10 in brownlow voting, 8 of them were first round draft picks but none of them were actually pick 1.

I also think because of the interchange limit and the extremely punishing nature of stoppage heavy football on big midfielders, the really good teams in the last few years have identified its not enough to have one or two powerful mids, you basically need a whole stable of them, both to prevent them breaking down from overuse and to exploit teams with weaker backups.

If you look at Collingwood and Melbourne what is striking about both of them its not just how good their best midfielder is, its how deep they bat.

That has implications for recruiting but also for salary cap management. Collingwood have basically designed their team around a blue collar forward line and backline and a midfield swamped with talent and paid accordingly.

 

[kranky al]

If you look at where those really top tier midfield bulls come from, they're usually a high draft pick but beyond that there's no real science to it- if you look at the current top 10 in brownlow voting, 8 of them were first round draft picks but none of them were actually pick 1.

I also think because of the interchange limit and the extremely punishing nature of stoppage heavy football on big midfielders, the really good teams in the last few years have identified its not enough to have one or two powerful mids, you basically need a whole stable of them, both to prevent them breaking down from overuse and to exploit teams with weaker backups.

If you look at Collingwood and Melbourne what is striking about both of them its not just how good their best midfielder is, its how deep they bat.

That has implications for recruiting but also for salary cap management. Collingwood have basically designed their team around a blue collar forward line and backline and a midfield swamped with talent and paid accordingly.

That’s the first time ive seen darcy moore, brayden maynard, scott pendlebury and nick daicos described as blue collar????

They must be sparkies at fmg kind a blue collar eh?

 

[ROO DOGG]

Every flag team needs a bont / dusty / petracca etc type superstar mid.

You could argue that the only team not to have one in recent memory is the eagles and that only because smitchell had our midfield operating at a level it never has since.

If we trade and end up with a couple of b+ / a- mids i will be funking fuming.

Yeo was pretty good.

 

[ziad]

What are you talking about ?
I only mentioned two WA boys and both are quality ?
The rest I mention are boys have been told we have interest in.
We need KPD so Curtain will be in the frame for WCE.
Mitch Edwards was playing wafl last year, he is going to be a very very good Ruckman,
he could play AFL now.

There has also been lots of s**t WA under 18's sides that have wa players drafted that go on to have great careers
Jeez Nat Fyfe had a crap under 18 championships, people thought he was skinny hack at the time, he then went on to
dominate for his colts side Claremont, in the back half of the colts season.

I read what you wrote - lots of it. I suggested get the very best players and dont even look at where they live as any form of criteria. It may seem like a strange idea.

 

[flyinghi64]

We have the Need
The Need for REID

 

[YeoGabbaGabba]

No one's giving up 3 first rounders for Reid this year. Take him, make him play and if he is as good in the big leagues as everyone's gushing for and lights it up like Ashcroft or daicos are then he'll be worth more. When he want home then we get back all the picks we lost for TK. In the mean time we get a player that might make a big difference for us in a short amount of time.

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I've been in the "split" side a bit but this makes perfect sense in all honesty