Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

[Dylan82]

I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.

 

[bh90210fan]

Watch the VM v VC game from last year when Reid was underage and you’ll get the hype

 

[Obeanie1]

I look at Reid as Judd or Dangerfield. An elite talent but only likely to stay around for a 6 year period before going back to Victoria. So the question becomes what can you achieve in about that 6 year period when you have them.

With Judd it was a lot easier. The coach was new but was a club legend that had the full support of everybody and Cousins, Kerr, Cox and Glass were on the list and even if there was some off field stuff the team worked hard and trained hard and were headed in the right direction.

The current situation is a mess. Questions about the coach, players that refuse to do a proper preseason, players who don't want to defend, players who quit during games. Demoralising for any young player, and the thing is that there is still of a lot of pain to come with no easy fixes it will take time.

So Reid could end up like Horne-Francis walk in see a shambles around him and want straight out, or be a Cerra and stay longer but the Freo list was such a mess his time there saw no success. Yes Freo got a good pick for him but that is a young kid you have to develop for 2-3 years when you have spent 4 years developing Cerra, it messes up the timeline for your rebuild.

After saying all that I would still take Reid. But I don't think people fully understand what a mess the list + club is in. Not the environment for young players who will have plenty of offers elsewhere.

Good post.

Comparison to the Judd era very interesting indeed.

Do we pick one super kid and hope for the best in a pretty messy situation, likely an unstable one over the next two years?

Or do we split and bring in three parts of the rebuild and spread the work load and risk?

 

[Obeanie1]

Pick 1 for Naughton pick 12 and 15?

Draft using 12. Sanders, 15. Moir 19. Tholstrop 38. Livingston bid matched after 40.

Trade in Robertson 3rd rounder

2024

Long Naughton Ryan
Cripps Allen Darling

Ruck Bailey, Kelly, Ginbey

C Hunt Yeo Hough

HB Duggan Gov Chesser

FB Jones Barrass Bazzo

Int: Robertson, Hewett, ..........

Not a bad spine for a team likely holding the wooden spoon entering 2024.

Kids to develop Sanders, Moir, Tholstrup, Ginbey, Hewett, Long, Barnett, Burgeil, Hough, Chesser, Bazzo, Livingston and Collard as a NGA would be nice.

Naughton and Allen both 23 turning 24.

 

[CountryLad]

Pick 1 for Naughton pick 12 and 15?

Draft using 12. Sanders, 15. Moir 19. Tholstrop 38. Livingston bid matched after 40.

Trade in Robertson 3rd rounder

2024

Long Naughton Ryan
Cripps Allen Darling

Ruck Bailey, Kelly, Ginbey

C Hunt Yeo Hough

HB Duggan Gov Chesser

FB Jones Barrass Bazzo

Int: Robertson, Hewett, ..........

Not a bad spine for a team likely holding the wooden spoon entering 2024.

Kids to develop Sanders, Moir, Tholstrup, Ginbey, Hewett, Long, Barnett, Burgeil, Hough, Chesser, Bazzo, Livingston and Collard as a NGA would be nice.

Naughton and Allen both 23 turning 24.

No thanks. Naughton over rated and Moir is a tease and don’t want him and Tholstrup won’t be on the board at 38.
Next…..

 

[Obeanie1]

No thanks. Naughton over rated and Moir is a tease and don’t want him and Tholstrup won’t be on the board at 38.
Next…..

Tholstrup was 19 not 38. Livingston was 38 which slides over 40 and was used on a bid.

If Naughton is over rated at least he's done something at the top level to justify it.

Principle is solid. Set up you KP forward line for 10 years. Best available with 12. 15 and 19.

Half the comp including the Swans reportedly chasing Naughton. So he must be overrated by 9 clubs. But you know better than half the comps list managers?

 

[Free Agent]

Pick 1 for Naughton pick 12 and 15?

Draft using 12. Sanders, 15. Moir 19. Tholstrop 38. Livingston bid matched after 40.

Trade in Robertson 3rd rounder

2024

Long Naughton Ryan
Cripps Allen Darling

Ruck Bailey, Kelly, Ginbey

C Hunt Yeo Hough

HB Duggan Gov Chesser

FB Jones Barrass Bazzo

Int: Robertson, Hewett, ..........

Not a bad spine for a team likely holding the wooden spoon entering 2024.

Kids to develop Sanders, Moir, Tholstrup, Ginbey, Hewett, Long, Barnett, Burgeil, Hough, Chesser, Bazzo, Livingston and Collard as a NGA would be nice.

Naughton and Allen both 23 turning 24.

This is a horrible idea. Burn it burn it burn it quickly.
Naughton is a pick 20 at best and you want to give up our number 1 pick for him. Talk about over rating a player.

We need mids anyhow not key forwards right now so it would be giving up Reid for a one dimensional Naughton who can only play forward. Also if we have Naughton why do we need Moir.
We would have a team full of key forward and nothing else.

The modern game is built on athletic midfielders who can rotate through the forward half.

 

[bzparkes]

Tholstrup was 19 not 38. Livingston was 38 which slides over 40 and was used on a bid.

If Naughton is over rated at least he's done something at the top level to justify it.

Principle is solid. Set up you KP forward line for 10 years. Best available with 12. 15 and 19.

Half the comp including the Swans reportedly chasing Naughton. So he must be overrated by 9 clubs. But you know better than half the comps list managers?

You don't chase a player because other clubs are.

Any deal for Naughton that involves pick 1 is a shocking idea. He's a free agent in 2 years and WCE can make a play for him then, if his position is still an area that needs addressing.

WCE are crying out for serious top end talent, which Naughton isn't.

 

[Free Agent]

Half the comp including the Swans reportedly chasing Naughton. So he must be overrated by 9 clubs. But you know better than half the comps list managers?

Half the comp are not going to give up a number 1 draft pick for him are they.

Half the comp if they are interested in him want him on the cheap. A pick in the 20s. Not one club will give up a pick in the top 10 for him unless something else comes back and that's a guaranteed. Every list manager would know that so the idea of your proposal being 2 picks in the teens and Naughton for pick 1 is way off the mark.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

The modern game is built on athletic midfielders who can rotate through the forward half.

The modern game is won with ball speed, having someone who likes the ball kicked at them forward of centre doesn't make them what you've described.

Quick players who can win their own ball are what the best teams have more of than their opponents. Reid is that but his two way running and outside game is weak.


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[eagles rule]

Always remember Freo gave up Pick 1 for Trent Croad and missed getting Judd or Hodge ..


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[Free Agent]

The modern game is won with ball speed, having someone who likes the ball kicked at them forward of centre doesn't make them what you've described.

Quick players who can win their own ball are what the best teams have more of than their opponents. Reid is that but his two way running and outside game is weak.


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Well it won't just take one midfielder for us to turn the corner and agree that we need quick tough quick mids to compliment Reid.

What Reid has is an ability to play multiple positions if need like a Dustin Martin,Dangerfield. He can play mid and forward that is a great mark which is what makes him so valuable.

We are trying to build a strong midfield.
With Reid Gibney Hewitt we have the start of our midfield rebuild but regardless we still would need some more quick types like Butter Rozee types. We would pretty much be set for the next decade. After drafting Reid that should be our focus and a quick backline player like how Lewis Jetta was for us would be handy in our future climb.

 

[bh90210fan]

Half the comp are not going to give up a number 1 draft pick for him are they.

Half the comp if they are interested in him want him on the cheap. A pick in the 20s. Not one club will give up a pick in the top 10 for him unless something else comes back and that's a guaranteed. Every list manager would know that so the idea of your proposal being 2 picks in the teens and Naughton for pick 1 is way off the mark.

Naughton’s a top 10 pick every day of the week

 

[guero]

Always remember Freo gave up Pick 1 for Trent Croad and missed getting Judd or Hodge ..


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[Free Agent]

Naughton’s a top 10 pick every day of the week

Naughton is shit.

You be making the worst decision ever to give up a top 10 pick for him.

 

[Woutizmoo]

Naughton is s**t.

naughton is shit as a forward, i'm in tears every time he kicks for goal. He spent all his time in juniors as a defender, WB have tried to make him into a forward. will be interesting to see what freo do with him next year

 

[Farang83150]

But you know better than half the comps list managers?

It's his opinion, it's what the whole forums for.

 

[bh90210fan]

Naughton is s**t.

You be making the worst decision ever to give up a top 10 pick for him.

He’s a 50 goal a year forward and pegged to be the future captain of the Bulldogs.

Pretty much the opposite of shit.

 

[Obeanie1]

It's his opinion, it's what the whole forums for.

His opinion on Naughton being shit was shit then.

There's a reason why half the comp is chasing his signature.

 

[Obeanie1]

Half the comp are not going to give up a number 1 draft pick for him are they.

Half the comp if they are interested in him want him on the cheap. A pick in the 20s. Not one club will give up a pick in the top 10 for him unless something else comes back and that's a guaranteed. Every list manager would know that so the idea of your proposal being 2 picks in the teens and Naughton for pick 1 is way off the mark.

A pick in the 20's for Naughton!

A 50 goal a year kp forward at 23 yrs old.

That is so far from reality it's hilarious.

 

[Rowan18]

A pick in the 20's for Naughton!

A 50 goal a year kp forward at 23 yrs old.

That is so far from reality it's hilarious.

Yeah, I don't want Norton because he will cost too much for where we are up to in our rebuild. However, he is definitely worth a top 10 pick or two first rounders in the teens.

 

[ziad]

Keep pick 1 and take the best player.

Take a look at what Freo did with an amazing draft hand in 2018. Had pick 5 and 6 which eventually ended up being Connor Rozee and Max King - not to mention guys like Bailey Smith and Zak Butters also being available. However Freo sent one of those pics went to Melbourne for Jesse Hogan and the other got split to Port for a bunch of lower picks.

Freo’s first pic ended up blowing out to around 16 after F/S and academy selections and they took Sam Sturt.

magnificent

Yeah, I don't want Norton because he will cost too much for where we are up to in our rebuild. However, he is definitely worth a top 10 pick or two first rounders in the teens.

agreed, i am strongly of the view that other clubs should pony up two top tens for him. He is good but not great which drives the varied opinions.

 

[WCE_phil]

Yeah, I don't want Norton because he will cost too much for where we are up to in our rebuild. However, he is definitely worth a top 10 pick or two first rounders in the teens.

Naughton is worth two top 10 picks.

 

[Free Agent]

A pick in the 20's for Naughton!

A 50 goal a year kp forward at 23 yrs old.

That is so far from reality it's hilarious.

Naughton is crap and I also hate Norton Internet Security.

There not going to protect my internet and Naughton isn't going to win us a premiership.


There I said it.

 

[CountryLad]

Tholstrup was 19 not 38. Livingston was 38 which slides over 40 and was used on a bid.

If Naughton is over rated at least he's done something at the top level to justify it.

Principle is solid. Set up you KP forward line for 10 years. Best available with 12. 15 and 19.

Half the comp including the Swans reportedly chasing Naughton. So he must be overrated by 9 clubs. But you know better than half the comps list managers?

I’ll stand by my point I think while Naughton is a good player I feel he is overrated. Is a good to average forward. Could be a better chb but certainly wouldn’t be giving up pick one for him with a few teen picks coming back.
Just because other clubs are interested doesn’t suddenly mean everyone is queuing up to hand over top 10 picks.

It was only a week or so ago the talk was 3 potential top 10 picks from GWS. Why would we do Naughton and 12 and 15? One of those top 10 picks would do Naughton probably with a bit of change left over then we would still have two top 10 picks plus change.

As for Moir don’t rate he has a nice kick and that’s about it I think there are plenty of other better options in the draft. His game on the weekend was his best by a fair way and wouldn’t say it was exactly screaming pick me.

Point taken on Tholstrup didn’t realise you had him at pick 19 .

 

[WCErevival]

Would rather Edward Norton