Strategy What to do with pick 1 now we’ve got it - Do We Need Reid or is it Curtins

[Dylan82]

I've had enough of all of these kents already.

Nothing would satisfy me more right now than drafting H.Reid and watch him kick a bag against the tin-rattlers.


And anyone else wanting to entertain splitting the pick in this massively compromised draft needs to give themselves an uppercut as well.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Please explain to me why we need a KPD, when our biggest issues are at stoppages.

With a midfield that struggled to win contested football, we usually start our attack from CHB.

A KPD needs elite kicking skills and must be able to kick backwards.

I hope that clarifies it

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

My uneducated guess....I think O'Sullivan will test really well for a tall. Wilson, Charlson and Windsor too.

Hine-Bastion looks pretty quick and agile as well I recon.

I can't see Hind-baston going in the national draft . He didn't get drafted last year or in the mid season draft .

 

[bzparkes]

With a midfield that struggled to win contested football, we usually start our attack from CHB.

A KPD needs elite kicking skills and must be able to kick backwards.

I hope that clarifies it

Just draft backs who can torp if from the HBF into the forward line, like when playing at the SCG.

Don't even need a midfield in that case.

 

[Phas]

I can't see Hind-baston going in the national draft . He didn't get drafted last year or in the mid season draft .

Oscar Hine-Baston is a shit kick and a bad decision maker from what I watched in the u18's.

WA had him kicking out and he muffed it almost every time. Big role in us getting belted in this carnival.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Can’t tell you who we had in mind before the trade down, wasn’t paying particular attending to draft/trade other than our picks relating to ladder position in a flag year. Agree hindsight is a beautiful thing but even with hindsight and not even considering the fact that we traded down:

XON
Luke Foley
Bailey Williams
Jarrod Cameron

Other than BBW coming good in the second half of this year given they are all picks 28-39 I don’t see how that is anything but a bust. Other than the occasional exception (Sheed, Ginbey/Hewett) trading down is also fraught with danger as “talent” becomes less predictable which is why we should absolutely take Reid with pick 1.

Well in the sheed draft year Collingwood traded up to our pick and drafted freeman who has had no where the career as sheed to the extent that the pick they traded us kicked the winning goal in the grand final against them

 

[Keys]

Anyone else getting sick and tired of the Tin Rattler w***ers coming on here with their advise on what our drafting team should be doing ?

I’m watching

So far the posts have been reasonable and not antagonistic

So far

Maybe. This is a team that has been in the comp for what? 12 years and haven't made the top 8 yet. There is a decent argument that it isnt too much of a leg up.

The other thing is, if the Suns are to stop being a feeder club for high end draft picks back to Victorian teams, history tells us they need to focus on drafting high end local talent. The acadmies acheive this outcome which is good for all teams outside of Victoria.

Jack Bowes was an academy product

They had to give someone pick 7 to take him off their hands

Shit club

 

[Phas]

Because that can be done later in the draft, as there's a few KPPs in the late first/early second round, and the draft is fairly even after that.

Reid doesn't even have to be the best player in the draft but he's the highest chance of being so. WCE just need to ensure they get an A grader in the middle, so if it's not Reid, then McKercher should be the next priority in the event of trading #1.

It would be good getting another young jet midfielder like McKercher if it meant we could also get 3 of: Tholstrup, Moir, Mitch Edwards, Logan Morris.

Currently we'd only be able to grab one of those guys and Harley.

It would also be nice to draft a genuine midfielder and play them as a midfielder, not a back pocket.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Oscar Hine-Baston is a s**t kick and a bad decision maker from what I watched in the u18's.

WA had him kicking out and he muffed it almost every time. Big role in us getting belted in this carnival.

His is a big kick of the ball but always long to a contest . As I said I doubt he gets picked in the national draft and we could stick him on the CatB list to see how he goes for a year . Free hit

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Jack Bowes was an academy product

They had to give someone pick 7 to take him off their hands

s**t club

Isn't the whole point of their academy to pick local players who don't need to be paid overs to keep them ?

They owed bowes 800k a year FFS

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Their draft positions aren't the problem. We've been blessed with big men like Jacko, Glass, Big Easy, Gov & Barrass. By the time their predecessors were nearing retirement, there was someone waiting to take the mantle. This time we have... Josh Rotham?

I'm suggesting we need to target talent that fits a need.

The fact Reid is considered the messiah because he plays in a comparable fashion to someone who went pick 3. Then there's also the statistical fact that he's not even likely to be the best player in his draft year when it's all said and done. Why not give ourselves a better chance of striking gold by splitting and plugging some KPD holes at the same time?

Whether Reid is the best pick in the draft or not or a very good player doesn't really matter, but with his attributes his floor is probably as high as you could get and his ceiling is no different. We will be picking up as close to a sure thing gun player as you can get, splitting the picks could work out if we pick 2 guns (who probably won't individually be as good as Reid), but just as likely could pick up 2 meh players/duds. Maybe we pick up 1 good player and 1 dud, and then missed out on potentially the next dusty/petracca for a standard good player. Not worth the risk IMO, why not just trade our future first, or split next year? Why do we absolutely have to split this year?

We split last year and it worked out well but this draft is more compromised, and doesn't have any obvious choices to sure up our midfield outside of the first few picks. We split in 2021 and missed an inside mid in the process, we gave away our 2019 and 2020 picks for Kelly, we split in 2018 and ended up with Oneill, we used our first 2 picks on tall forwards in 2017 and one ended up a bust, apparently Brander was too good to pass up and then we end up missing out on Kelly which killed our draft hands a couple of years later to get him back. At what point are we going to prioritise landing a gun inside mid if not this year?

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

I don't like the chances of shaking Curtin loose if we don't draft him. I was holding out hope for either of the Swallows or even Liam Anthony back in the day and it never happened.

If we drafted Curtin, I'd expect him to be our KPD captain in 4-5 years after Oscar Allen hands it off.

I can live with that because like I said, we can find elite defenders later in the draft and have done it before. We can prioritise a key defender with our 2nd rounder, or try an secure GC's pick 4 for Curtin if he lasts that long, we don't need to give up Reid to do it.

 

[ArdentEagle]

I can't see Hind-baston going in the national draft . He didn't get drafted last year or in the mid season draft .

I just meant I thought he'd test well (State)

Quite like him actually

 

[twadds]

Yep just pick the game changing match winner. Reid Reid Reid.

 

[Phas]

I can live with that because like I said, we can find elite defenders later in the draft and have done it before. We can prioritise a key defender with our 2nd rounder, or try an secure GC's pick 4 for Curtin if he lasts that long, we don't need to give up Reid to do it.

I agree with that statement. If we can get both Reid & Curtin, that would be incredible.

 

[PRANKSTER666]

If we are really into Curtin and North get pick 3 for Mckay they can pretty much call our bluff demanding too much for Pick 1 or trading with somebody else as they can take Curtin with 2 or 3 if we trade with Hawks or Melb...

Which means we will probably get 2 & 16 (which will be more like 20 something) at best or some future picks/exchange etc

If they dont get pick 3 we will be in a much stronger position.

 

[ROO DOGG]

If the club is confident that the reason we were a bottom 4 side this year and last was because of injury, then selling next years first would be better than splitting this year. Take the generational talant and buy back in to get Curtin or McKercher. Then hope we rise quicker than people expect. Make out like bandits.

 

[Doashuey]

I’m watching

So far the posts have been reasonable and not antagonistic

So far



Jack Bowes was an academy product

They had to give someone pick 7 to take him off their hands

s**t club

That they may be Keys but that is one example against probably 20 want away Vics. That is the other issue with relying on interstate talent, they cook their salary cap to try to stop them going home.

Edit... Get_The_Gaff hit the nail on the head.

 

[Goroyals22]

Well Langdon is an employee of club and has been for a while.

He also is a north Melbourne fan and proudly supports them as they were his team growing up. He has often said he doesn’t barrack for the eagles


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[Bleedblueandgold]

This has been my question.

If he did go into the open draft and north didn't get band 1 compo pick, we could then chase gold coast pick 4 and almost be guaranteed Curtin as well.

1 Walter WC
2 Reid North
3 Duusma hawks
4 Curtin

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If all players were available to every team, I'd select them in this order:
Walter
Reid
McKercher
Curtin
Duursma

 

[Bleedblueandgold]

He also is a north Melbourne fan and proudly supports them as they were his team growing up. He has often said he doesn’t barrack for the eagles


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That is true, but why would he make rumours about Reid wanting to come over here?
If he was trying to sabotage us somehow to get Reid to Norf then maybe finally we will see the back of him lol.

 

[Priddis Is Done]

Anyone else getting sick and tired of the Tin Rattler w***ers coming on here with their advise on what our drafting team should be doing ?

Melbourne are far worse in various threads.

It's night and day.

 

[DJMac]

Would norf's picks 2 + 3 for pick 1 be considered overs?

That would be the sort of deal I think it should take to give up pick 1 this year.
Could get Curtin and McKercher. Don’t know if Norf would do it but if not then it’s welcome to West Coast Harley.

 

[garlic munchers]

If the club is confident that the reason we were a bottom 4 side this year and last was because of injury, then selling next years first would be better than splitting this year. Take the generational talant and buy back in to get Curtin or McKercher. Then hope we rise quicker than people expect. Make out like bandits.

Gee I would hope our club is not confident (and clearly it's not as this is why we have Simmo for 2024).

We absolutely have a bottom 4 list and arguably the worst list going into 2024.

Worst thing that can happen is we spike out of the bottom 4 on a bumper year from our resident oldies McGovern, Darling, Gaff, Cripps and Yeo.

Norths young list list is better, Tiggers probably comparable, Freo better, Suns better, Bombers had a good run early this year and faded so jury is out, Crows pantsed us twice, Hawks pantsed us and look okay, Bullies list better etc etc.

Expect us to finish 16th at best with 7 wins, with Nth bottom again, followed by the Hawks.

Notwithstanding I would love to be proved wrong, it will be Reid we take because there is no realistic trade scenario available for us to get North's pick needed to draft Curtain without being bent over and royally shafted.

 

[Phas]

I don't get why Walter is guaranteed to GC, but Mitch Edwards isn't to Freo

 

[Elite Pete]

If we are really into Curtin and North get pick 3 for Mckay they can pretty much call our bluff demanding too much for Pick 1 or trading with somebody else as they can take Curtin with 2 or 3 if we trade with Hawks or Melb...

Which means we will probably get 2 & 16 (which will be more like 20 something) at best or some future picks/exchange etc

If they dont get pick 3 we will be in a much stronger position.

Turn 16 and a few late picks into the Suns pick 4.

Gotta make it work but seems like Suns will just be able to raffle their pick.

Pick 1 for Pick 2, 16 and NM3rd pick.

Pick 16, PA2nd, WC 3rd, NM 3rd would be pretty hard to beat to get that Suns pick.

Go to the draft with picks 2 (Curtin) 4 (McKersher/Duursma) 19.

Trade for Dev and Brockman.

Exciting times