What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

[Gough]

He would be better off targetting welcome to country than the flag if that is going to be his schtick.

How about he leave Indigenous Australians alone and came up with some actual policies?

 

[kickazz]

Labor need to fight back against Dutton. Hard. There is more than enough material - instead Albo is doing a synagogue tour

Yep you don't win elections in this country by being good - you win by showing how bad the other guy is.

 

[Saint]

How about he leave Indigenous Australians alone and came up with some actual policies?

Their whole schtick is what they're against, not what they will actually do. (They won't announce what they'll do, because it'll be tax cuts for the rich and cuts to services).

They try to build a Coalition of those who oppose things which they will vote for. Racists will vote against immigration and diversity, religious people will vote against abortion and diversity, rich people will vote against giving anything to immigrants or poor people.

So you end up with a coalition of voters who are the racist, the religious and the rich. This generally excludes the educated, except under rich, but even many of them are recognising that the short-term thinking of the mining-run LNP and ALP is not going to be good for their kids and their inheritance.

 

[Saint]

Yep you don't win elections in this country by being good - you win by showing how bad the other guy is.

Only if it's a 2-party dominant system and the the default choice if you've attacked the other is yourself.

But the ALP and Libs attacking each other (and both attacking the Greens) is driving people to Independents, and that's much better for everyone.

None of the current nuffies in either major party could run a positive campaign, they're intellectually incapable of explaining subtlety or anything medium-term or longer. The ALP is also hamstrung by internal politics which are enforced strictly (see Payman).

The Libs would have to try to convince poor racists that their policies which are for rich people will actually benefit those poor people.

 

[Not Important]

there’s no level that 'thug' won’t plumb.

marque lawyers (@marquelawyers.bsky.social)

Whenever you think you've seen it, Spud finds another level

bsky.app

 

[Not Important]

no surprise. cookers stick together.

Mike Carlton (@mikecarlton01.bsky.social)

And here ends any hope of a Dutton-free day, with another manufactured controversy, and a clear dog whistle to the Pauline Hansen racist rabble. Again, it’s not news...

bsky.app

 

[Gough]

there’s no level that 'thug' won’t plumb.

marque lawyers (@marquelawyers.bsky.social)

Whenever you think you've seen it, Spud finds another level

bsky.app

The idea that a Jewish man should be lectured at by Peter Dutton on how to practice his faith is astonishing.

 

[Not Important]

The idea that a Jewish man should be lectured at by Peter Dutton on how to practice his faith is astonishing.

he’s a trump level “transactional” politician—absolutely no moral compass.

 

[Not Important]

It should be treated as the anonymous internet ranting it is.

the author is not anonymous. sorry to say it, but the author would buy and sell you regarding political savvy

 

[Donakebab]

Fletcher has retired from politics and hinted that he wouldn't have won the seat of Bradfield, an independent is going to take it from them.
Nicolette Boele ran last election and only lost by 8%. There's also been a redistribution. Looks like Fletcher wasn't up for the fight.

Not many inner-city seats left for the LNP. That was the most inner-city they had left in Sydney.

Bulleen (Vic), Mt Gravatt (Qld) and Kogarah (NSW) would be the closest the LNP gets to the three capital cities.

Dutton, as representative of the new LNP politics, is showing how to completely turn off any inner-city voters.

Looks a lot more like a hung parliament coming up.

Keith Wolahan only scraped in by the skin of his teeth in Menzies/Bulleen, but he'll likely solidify his seat by a few points next election.

 

[Saint]

Keith Wolahan only scraped in by the skin of his teeth in Menzies/Bulleen, but he'll likely solidify his seat by a few points next election.

Absolutely ripe for a teal candidate to disrupt it. Especially with the areas around Warrandyte and a lot more apartments around Box Hill and Mont Albert.

 

[The Punter]

the author is not anonymous. sorry to say it, but the author would buy and sell you regarding political savvy

All indications on her social and internet presence would indicate a created online identity. Happy to be proven otherwise.

And I'll cop the savvy whack when someone gets elected to government from either the left or right of both parties, not one or the other. The only person who gets the benefit of the doubt in her screed is Lydia Thorpe, who's never been elected to anything without party backing. I have issue with those who believe an institution has no right to exist while drawing a salary as a member of that very same institution.

 

[Saint]

All indications on her social and internet presence would indicate a created online identity. Happy to be proven otherwise.

And I'll cop the savvy whack when someone gets elected to government from either the left or right of both parties, not one or the other. The only person who gets the benefit of the doubt in her screed is Lydia Thorpe, who's never been elected to anything without party backing. I have issue with those who believe an institution has no right to exist while drawing a salary as a member of that very same institution.

Isn't that every minister for Social Services and the Environment in the LNP's history?

 

[The Punter]

Isn't that every minister for Social Services and the Environment in the LNP's history?

No.

 

[QuietB]

All indications on her social and internet presence would indicate a created online identity. Happy to be proven otherwise.

And I'll cop the savvy whack when someone gets elected to government from either the left or right of both parties, not one or the other. The only person who gets the benefit of the doubt in her screed is Lydia Thorpe, who's never been elected to anything without party backing. I have issue with those who believe an institution has no right to exist while drawing a salary as a member of that very same institution.

“We trust in Him. We don’t trust in governments. We don’t trust in [the] United Nations, thank goodness,” Morrison said.

lol

 

[Jello_B]

A targeted firebombing of an Islamic school bus in Adelaide overnight.

Who is responsible for this Mr Dutton? You?

I used to live in Reynella. Since when is torching a school bus news for Reynella.

 

[Jello_B]

How about he leave Indigenous Australians alone and came up with some actual policies?

I know people associated with the liberal party who vocally advocate for an acknowledgement of country before we start key company meetings. They are either going to;
A) switch their vote because this whole flag stunt demonstrates the pathetic mess of the current liberal party
B) live with the cognitive dissonance
C) pull out a white hood scooby doo style and roll with full-frontal racism from now on
I’ll lock in B

 

[Saint]

No.

Name an LNP minister who thinks NewStart is good and worthy. Given what they did with Robodebt, we can at least assume it's not worthy of human time, just consultant time and poorly applied.

They'd still vote to abolish Medicare if they thought they'd get it through the Senate, so can probably add health to the list. And they'd add education to the abolishment list too except for the Private rort that's going on.

 

[1990crow]

The fact LNP is in front of Labor suggests just how dumb Australians are, as well as racist.

 

[kickazz]

The fact LNP is in front of Labor suggests just how dumb Australians are, as well as racist.

buT grOCerieS and bILls aRE expENSivE and libERaLs beTTeR at manaGINg ecONoMy

 

[Xtreme]

The fact LNP is in front of Labor suggests just how dumb Australians are, as well as racist.

It also shows how poorly Albo is at getting whatever his message is across to the general public.

The Labor party is as good at governing the country as Ross Lyon is at coaching St Kilda.

 

[The Punter]

Name an LNP minister who thinks NewStart is good and worthy. Given what they did with Robodebt, we can at least assume it's not worthy of human time, just consultant time and poorly applied.

They'd still vote to abolish Medicare if they thought they'd get it through the Senate, so can probably add health to the list. And they'd add education to the abolishment list too except for the Private rort that's going on.

The Medicare assertion has no basis in fact. Howard had the numbers in the Senate 2004-2007 and he was probably the last Liberal leader to vocalise any doubts about Medicare and he did nothing to abolish it.

And I have not heard a LNP Minister in any forum make any suggestion anywhere close to NewStart should be abolished.

 

[Saint]

The Medicare assertion has no basis in fact. Howard had the numbers in the Senate 2004-2007 and he was probably the last Liberal leader to vocalise any doubts about Medicare and he did nothing to abolish it.

And I have not heard a LNP Minister in any forum make any suggestion anywhere close to NewStart should be abolished.

Howard entrenched a 2-tier system with the introduction of the Medicare Levy Surcharge and 30% rebate on Private Health Insurance.

That's the pre-cursor to gutting the public system and forcing everyone into the private system.

It's conservatism 101. If there's a Govt program which is very popular. Step 1 is to under-fund it and wreck it so people stop liking it, then introduce a subsidised private version which people have no choice but to accept.

What are the odds the LNP introduce a privatised version of the NDIS?

 

[Lunchtime]

Has come out saying he'd drop the display of the aboriginal flag if elected PM.

Less culture war shit, more policy, please Peter.

'Trying to disappear us': Dutton won't use Indigenous flags at press events as PM

Liberal leader Peter Dutton will not stand beside the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags at press conferences if he becomes prime minister. Some Indigenous leaders say it is a level of "pettiness" they never expected.

www.abc.net.au

 

[NSWCROW]

New flag ??

Not if it has that british shit on it