Yarran will probably play more wing and Russell more half back and switch around a lot
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It's all been prompted by words from Rattan himself, suggesting that JR could very well be moved into the midfield.
I think he may be able to slot in ahead of Duigan, but I definitely think that his inclusion would not come at the expense of Laidler, who is able to play a bit taller that Russell.
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Duigan is essential to us winning a premiership, provided his 2012 form is the same as in 2011. He is first preference.
Russell's best footy is better than Diugan's best.
However, I think we'll see Duigs continue in the backline, with Rusty into the guts.
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In regards to how important each player is to the team, Duigan wins by a fair few furlongs IMO.
Maybe not a debate we need to have as their is likely room for both, but at respective bests I would go with Russel if the decision had to be made and clearly. Duigan having just the one year of exposed form clouds this issue of course.
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Duigan is a great feel good story, but people only think of the positives, not the negatives of his debut season. Duigan isn't as quick, smart and as clean at ground level as Russell. Spuds such as Lynden Dunn beat him in marking contests. All things being equal, if they're all fit and in form, then Duigan wouldn't be in my best 22 ahead of JR and Bower. Their best is better than Duigan's best. Better rebounders.
I don't know....As good as Duigan was last year he is expendable.
IMO he is probably a little overrated around here due the fact he came from nowhere and takes amazingly courageous marks. Each playing at their best Russell takes it quite easily for mine.
I expect these guys to be competing for 2 spots.
Russell, Tuohy, Duigan, Bower, Joseph, Davies.
Best part is with the rotation policy I would expect all to be given a fair chance to cement their position in the starting 22.
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Duigan did improve as the year went on and may improve more, in which case his best could approach that of JR and the Emu. But at his age you can only speculate whether he has upside. Nonetheless, he is a handy and gutsy player to have in the best 22 or outside it.
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Can of worms.
As far as I'm concerned, as good as Russell is and can be, players like him come around a dime a dozen (rebounding defenders). Whereas he is a good footballer, he doesn't have that natural instinct to go back with the flight or just get some part of his body on the ball when it comes to pack situations, a value I rate highly.
I guess it's one of those things where it's each to their own. Of course I think there's plenty of room for both of them. Russ on half back, Duigan in the back pocket. Done.
As far as I'm concerned, as good as Russell is and can be, players like him come around a dime a dozen (rebounding defenders). Whereas he is a good footballer, he doesn't have that natural instinct to go back with the flight or just get some part of his body on the ball when it comes to pack situations, a value I rate highly.
I guess it's one of those things where it's each to their own. Of course I think there's plenty of room for both of them. Russ on half back, Duigan in the back pocket. Done.
I think reaching potential has as much to do with years in the system as age of the player. Duigan may improve every year for 5 or 6 years like most players do.
The ceiling of ones ability is especially tough to judge for a 26yo with one year in the system.
For mine, emus best was a long time ago, and we will be lucky to see it again. Hope we do though!
Nevertheless, duigan will play every game if fit. Emu is more of a running
HB than a pure stopper, of which we only have one other ( and even Jammo was playing well with the ball)
Four of the six are set in stone. Jammo, hendo, laidler, and duigan. Yarran is probably as well, IF they intend on playing him back again.
Therefore for the last two spots (one small defender and one mid/ running defender) are:
Small: yarran, AJ, armfield
Mid: JR, bower, Scotland (at times), gibbs ( again, at times), Lucas (possibly), bootsma (possibly- by ratts on admission), Davies
Some players are obviously interchangeable.
Is great to have depth. (tall depth: Watson, Thornton)
The ceiling of ones ability is especially tough to judge for a 26yo with one year in the system.
For mine, emus best was a long time ago, and we will be lucky to see it again. Hope we do though!
Nevertheless, duigan will play every game if fit. Emu is more of a running
HB than a pure stopper, of which we only have one other ( and even Jammo was playing well with the ball)
Four of the six are set in stone. Jammo, hendo, laidler, and duigan. Yarran is probably as well, IF they intend on playing him back again.
Therefore for the last two spots (one small defender and one mid/ running defender) are:
Small: yarran, AJ, armfield
Mid: JR, bower, Scotland (at times), gibbs ( again, at times), Lucas (possibly), bootsma (possibly- by ratts on admission), Davies
Some players are obviously interchangeable.
Is great to have depth. (tall depth: Watson, Thornton)
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I think the possible midfield role is just a symptom of the current football environment. .. There is less room for specialist defenders and forwards when the emphasis is on flexibility and midfield rotation. ..
Players like Laidler and Yarran will likely add midfielder to their resume one would think. .. A player like Tuohy could also do the same. .. Joseph and Armfield are already working to cement a midfield spot and they have shown some ability in the backline. ..
Players like Laidler and Yarran will likely add midfielder to their resume one would think. .. A player like Tuohy could also do the same. .. Joseph and Armfield are already working to cement a midfield spot and they have shown some ability in the backline. ..
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For what it's worth Eddie i tend to agree. As good as JR's 2010 form was i've got to say i rate the fearlessness, sacrificial acts and general **** Duigs brings to the table as more important to the team's overall make-up.
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His days off a half back flank are gone, there are several on the list better now.
His only hope is to establish himself on the wing.
He has the athleticism and his experience would be handy in the middle.
On the wing we do not have to worry about his opponent kicking goals or his turnovers resulting in goals as much either.
Big year for Russell, he will either grab the wing or it will pass him by and others will take over his spot.
His only hope is to establish himself on the wing.
He has the athleticism and his experience would be handy in the middle.
On the wing we do not have to worry about his opponent kicking goals or his turnovers resulting in goals as much either.
Big year for Russell, he will either grab the wing or it will pass him by and others will take over his spot.
Yep. His will to win is enormous. He won't ever go missing when the chips are down.
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Clear no.
Russell is a better defender and footballer than Davies and Joseph who played back last year.
Since when was Russell a turnover king who couldn't stop an opponent?
Has taken the scalps of Steve Johnson and Ryan O'Keefe in big games.
Where Russell plays wouldn't cover for your opinion that it's OK for a mid to be a bad kick. Carrazzo and Armfield are bad kicks who still turn it over as mids. Wing might be one position that he plays this year, but that argument just doesn't hold water. Russell is dual sided and a long kick. Some just have their whipping boys and can't see the forest for the trees. Just look at Walker who had only played one or two good games in the eyes of many Carlton supporters.
Not sure that you really know JR if you think he pulls out of contests. Russell never took a backward step before he made it as a defender. Wasn't kicking goals and creating as a defensive forward, but he always went when it was his turn to go. Brereton praised the concussed Russell's will to keep pushing after Croad's elbow hit him so hard, he spun 360 degrees.
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Footy supporters really do have short memories.
Russell is a better athlete and more talented than Duigan.
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Time will tell General.
We will see how many games Russell plays off the HBF in 2012.
The match committee were not too keen in 2011 when he was unfit, they tried him on the wing and he did ok for a while.
I do not see him getting past any of the HBF options we have on the list at the moment. He turns it over too much and lets his player kick too many goals. Not good attributes for a HBF.
They will try him on the wing again in 2012. If he makes it good on him he will keep going. If not, unless we have a lot of injuries you will not see JR in defence for the majority of 2012.
We will see how many games Russell plays off the HBF in 2012.
The match committee were not too keen in 2011 when he was unfit, they tried him on the wing and he did ok for a while.
I do not see him getting past any of the HBF options we have on the list at the moment. He turns it over too much and lets his player kick too many goals. Not good attributes for a HBF.
They will try him on the wing again in 2012. If he makes it good on him he will keep going. If not, unless we have a lot of injuries you will not see JR in defence for the majority of 2012.
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Not what I said at all.
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I remember not that long ago JR was the turn over king. He had one good year that's it. Last year he was very average in pretty much every game he played.
Duigs in his first year provided more rebound, linkage and more instinct.
JR at his best is better than Duigs, but as long as we get his best time in time out. That for mine is the key.
Duigs in his first year provided more rebound, linkage and more instinct.
JR at his best is better than Duigs, but as long as we get his best time in time out. That for mine is the key.
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Russell is more and overall more talented and polished footballer watching that highlights reel you forget just how good he can be, but there's no doubting Duigans guts, courage, and from what I hear, leadership, sort of person you'd want to be in the trenches with....they are both guns
Lets not forget Duigan came from the SAFL..not a bad pick up
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Russell is more and overall more talented and polished footballer watching that highlights reel you forget just how good he can be, but there's no doubting Duigans guts, courage, and from what I hear, leadership, sort of person you'd want to be in the trenches with....they are both guns
Lets not forget Duigan came from the SAFL..not a bad pick up
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Any reason for saying this?
I really feel like Joseph is a very limited footballer, especially in terms of his flexibility. Further to that, we hear Ratten, Hughes and Richardson (etc.) frequently talk about ensuring our players have this - what they deem to be a key quality.
I prefer Armfield to Joseph, for whatever reasons - this is not necessarily on performance - but they do share a similar ability to run-with opponents and provide a bit of dash with ball in hand.
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As for the debate between say Duigan and Russell, Russell is certainly the better rounded player, but I think it's unfair to dismiss them without comparing them from an even fitness base. Russell gets the nod on longevity and scope for improvement.
I'm not sure its a 'one or the other' proposition though.
I'm not sure its a 'one or the other' proposition though.
I knew I forgot someone. Tuohy! Will def play a bit of BP and HB with rotations up the ground.
As for you being unhappy with Hendo playing back: I think it is pretty well known fact that defense wins championships. With the attacking talent we have in the midfield, and up forward, a solid CHB is way more important than bolstering an already very effective forward line.
I expect Gibbs, Murphy and Judd to all play more
Time up forward this year. Added to garlett ( mark down 40gials
From him this year), betts, walker, hampson/kreuzer, Waite and thorton. Possibility of Collins breaking in as well.
Forward line is well stacked. Defense, while largely improved
Last year, definitely need Jammo and hendo down back.
Excuse my iPhone typing.
could return to a kind of utility role. bit of a shame seeing as he flourished when given a proper job. a rich man's wiggins. half back, centre, and he did play a few games forward as well. i'm sure ratts and jr are sorting out his role(s) among other things.
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