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Where does Gary Ablett Junior sit on the all time best midfielders list?
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Diesel was a great kick, not in the Buckley roost sense, but in the Darren Jarman sense. Lauded for his handballing, because it was so unbelievably good and equivalent to a short kick on occasion, his pin point foot skills are often forgotten. After knee ops, kicking became less a feature of his game, but late in his career he could still hit teammates on the tit with lace-out 45m passes. Not just an in-the-pack handballer. What a poor way for this genius to be remembered.
Sure you can. Diesel was one of the most damaging players I've ever seen with the ball in his mitts. In fact, I don't think GAJ is nearly damaging as he could be considering his awesome talent.
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Hodgey you know what my angle is. I am pretty hard on players and hardly ever do they enter my superstar club.
But when they do I love them regardless of club.
Ablett Jnr has won me over. He is all heart, unbelievably skilled, relentless and one of the best I've seen.
But the one thing I have seen too many times now including the last two Grand Finals. He steps up when it counts and takes a personal responsibility in these games for his club.
In recent times only Hird, Buckley, Riccuito stand out with all these qualities.
And guess what f*** everyone because he is better than two of those three with the exception being Hird.
Yes people can say he needs to do it for longer and they can drag out names from the past but this doesn't change the fact that for at least the last 15 or so years he is as good as it gets. There is no way Buckley or Voss could match him all day in a big game. They might win the hard patches but he would wear them down.
Absolute gun. By the way I have no doubt that there are many stars like Diesel Williams and the like that you can argue are better, but there are as many arguments against too. The fact we're arguing at Abletts age proves my point.
And as for Judd. He is not as good as Ablett and will never be a champion in my book. Not on playing ability but because a champion needs to lead men. Judd has no effect on his team mates that I can see, and the recent Fevola thing proved this once and for all.
No way Hird, Ablett, Voss, Riccuito or the like would have that situation happen. They would have dealt with Fev a long time ago. Judd is robotic and incredible but he also is a zero when it comes to leadership and will never be a champion in my book.
But when they do I love them regardless of club.
Ablett Jnr has won me over. He is all heart, unbelievably skilled, relentless and one of the best I've seen.
But the one thing I have seen too many times now including the last two Grand Finals. He steps up when it counts and takes a personal responsibility in these games for his club.
In recent times only Hird, Buckley, Riccuito stand out with all these qualities.
And guess what f*** everyone because he is better than two of those three with the exception being Hird.
Yes people can say he needs to do it for longer and they can drag out names from the past but this doesn't change the fact that for at least the last 15 or so years he is as good as it gets. There is no way Buckley or Voss could match him all day in a big game. They might win the hard patches but he would wear them down.
Absolute gun. By the way I have no doubt that there are many stars like Diesel Williams and the like that you can argue are better, but there are as many arguments against too. The fact we're arguing at Abletts age proves my point.
And as for Judd. He is not as good as Ablett and will never be a champion in my book. Not on playing ability but because a champion needs to lead men. Judd has no effect on his team mates that I can see, and the recent Fevola thing proved this once and for all.
No way Hird, Ablett, Voss, Riccuito or the like would have that situation happen. They would have dealt with Fev a long time ago. Judd is robotic and incredible but he also is a zero when it comes to leadership and will never be a champion in my book.
Judd has a bit more credibility for mine as he was good when eagles were a mid table side
WOW... just WOW!
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Plenty ahead of him at this stage.
Matthews, Wilson, Bartlett, Cable, Hocking, Voss, Buckley, Greig, Flower, Platten, Harvey and Williams for starters.
Very good player, but christ there is a lot of stick pulling when it comes to rating this bloke at this point of his career.
Matthews, Wilson, Bartlett, Cable, Hocking, Voss, Buckley, Greig, Flower, Platten, Harvey and Williams for starters.
Very good player, but christ there is a lot of stick pulling when it comes to rating this bloke at this point of his career.
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Do you think the Fev thing would have happened with Ricciuto, Voss, Hird et al?
Judd is incapable of emotion and therefore leadership.
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That's because you are twenty something and have seen Matthews on a video tape.
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No doubt mate, but I have balanced all my posts with saying he is up there, that's all... Haven't said anything but he is in that category.
Judd leads by example through the way he plays - which is fairly inspiring.
He might not show any emotion to us, but we don't see what he does within the Carlton group.
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Judd was the final link to unshackle us from Pagan's idiotic gameplan. A game plane so outdated that players just became used to losing.
We wouldn't have played finals without Judd's leadership.
And no offence, but I can name a list of at least 50 players that are midfielders that anyone but a Geelong supporter would agree shits all over Ablett. So long as I'm not required to give them a specific order.
This thread is rubbish. Anyone who thinks Ablett is the greatest ever has only been watching footy since 2007. If it wasn't for his name, you wouldn't even give this topic a second thought.
We wouldn't have played finals without Judd's leadership.
And no offence, but I can name a list of at least 50 players that are midfielders that anyone but a Geelong supporter would agree shits all over Ablett. So long as I'm not required to give them a specific order.
This thread is rubbish. Anyone who thinks Ablett is the greatest ever has only been watching footy since 2007. If it wasn't for his name, you wouldn't even give this topic a second thought.
He'd inspire on the track and on game day to most of the young Carlton players, as all gun players do in every team (barring Richmond, Melbourne & Essendon, of course).
Ablett is very much his own player. He knows how good he is and knows how to beat his opponent, like his dad. This his why he is one of the best small receivers ever.
Without a doubt. Do you honestly think these guy's clubs were blemish free during their captaincy? How naive are you? I find suggestions like yours to border on moronic, especially when said as if the answer were a given before morphing into some automatic premise for further fantasy. It a house of cards mate...
Stephen Kernahan is rated by those who would know as a true leader of men and as one of the best captains to have played AFL. Sticks was in attendance as President and Fev still kept carrying on. The guy is just a dick of drunk.
Which kind of sums up your angle on all this... childish and without insight.
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The only difference is Buckley was a gun before he even played afl, and definitely since day one in it.
Plus he has many more attributes above junior.
heh, buckley is only known for his work rate, oh and he did win a NS in a losing GF, that's a pretty big game to stand up in I would think.
When GAJ can play at the level of a Buckley, with all the same attributes, including captain, with the same consistency, in a shit team, for over a decade, then it's fair.
But for now, GAJ has been awesome for several years, in an awesome team.
He would be in the top best 30 mids ever right now (and possibly top 15).
All it will take is a few more years of turning games and he will rocket up that list.
Who are the people saying Hocking, Hawkins, Platten, Watson, Matera are ahead of him .
Good Lord. Not a chance.
And if Judd and Ablett finished now, Ablett would be remembered as the better player.
Judd gets more cred for his captaincy. Judd knows Gaz has him covered on the ground now. That argument is over.
All it will take is a few more years of turning games and he will rocket up that list.
Who are the people saying Hocking, Hawkins, Platten, Watson, Matera are ahead of him .
Good Lord. Not a chance.
And if Judd and Ablett finished now, Ablett would be remembered as the better player.
Judd gets more cred for his captaincy. Judd knows Gaz has him covered on the ground now. That argument is over.
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Ablett doesn't deserve to be rated with the Watsons of this world just yet.
Can you imagine if Watson was lining up on the wing and Stewart Dew came and stood him?
Cos that's what happened with Ablett.
Jr. just doesn't get the best taggers. Opposition teams know that most of his possessions are junk, and that he's only damaging when he goes forward.
This isn't a troll, and he's probably been the best midfielder the last 3 years, but he's hardly in the category of a Watson or a Buckley.
Can you imagine if Watson was lining up on the wing and Stewart Dew came and stood him?
Cos that's what happened with Ablett.
Jr. just doesn't get the best taggers. Opposition teams know that most of his possessions are junk, and that he's only damaging when he goes forward.
This isn't a troll, and he's probably been the best midfielder the last 3 years, but he's hardly in the category of a Watson or a Buckley.
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Sticks is one of the boys, as is Ratten.
Tough decisions needed to be made on the night. In the end, they weren't, and once the papers got hold of it, Carlton had to trade to save face.
If the argument is leadership i think judd has ablett covered, not that judds a great leader like the voss, ricciouto, cousins, hird and even imo hodge category i think he is doing alright since he started at carlton.
On playing ability he's also better or equal at worst. People have short memories and forget that 40 touches these days is nothing like it was even 3 years ago. Judd is more direct in his play, better at the contested ball and has shown he can adapt his game (as he has with the loss of his extreme acceleration) ... ablett has only shown three good years in what some people are calling one of the best teams ever.
No doubting his ability, but due to geelongs gameplan which is no fault of gazza's his touches are not overly damaging all the time.
On playing ability he's also better or equal at worst. People have short memories and forget that 40 touches these days is nothing like it was even 3 years ago. Judd is more direct in his play, better at the contested ball and has shown he can adapt his game (as he has with the loss of his extreme acceleration) ... ablett has only shown three good years in what some people are calling one of the best teams ever.
No doubting his ability, but due to geelongs gameplan which is no fault of gazza's his touches are not overly damaging all the time.
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Give us a list of each teams best tagger please podge, then we'll work out if what you are saying is true.
I'll start with the ones we've already confirmed he gets
Carlton - Aaron Joseph
St Kilda - Clinton Jones
Adelaide - Robert Shirley
Hawthorn - Ben McGlynn
Once that's done, tell us a player that gets every sides best tagger, every game.
''Blemish Free'' ???
Do you consider losing arguably the best matchwinner and clearly the best full forward in the competition a ''blemish''?
If you dont think that a Hird, Buckley, Voss.......even a Maxwell, Kirk,.........shit even a VANDENBERG! wouldnt have put an end to his nonsense A LOT earlier for the good of Fevola, The Club, The Clubs future etc. then you are insane beyond return. Judd just let it go on because he doesnt know how to deal with it because he isnt a leader of men.
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We played this game before, champ. Round about the end of the Home and Away season I started nominating who the best tagger of Geelong's next opponent was. Surprise, surprise, he didn't get any of them.
P.S. Ben McGlynn wasn't our best tagger, but I felt generous and counted him in.
people forget that buckley had 5 top-5 brownlow finishes in an 8 year period (96-2003).. he won the brownlow in his last uninterupted year... going by his record i think it's almost safe to say he would have finished top 5 at least one or 2 more times from 2004-2007 if he his body didn't let him down..
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It gets worse.
Surveillance footage has Judd starting drinks with Fevola 8 hours prior to the function in the high rollers room.
You can't have an enabler as captain, imo.
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Buckley has a great record. Averaged a lot of possessions, and over a goal a game for a midfielder is a fine achievement.
