Which clubs have the best 25 and under team?

Which 3 clubs have the best 25 and under side?

  • Adelaide

    Votes: 17 3.6%

  • Brisbane

    Votes: 47 9.9%

  • Carlton

    Votes: 57 12.0%

  • Collingwood

    Votes: 20 4.2%

  • Essendon

    Votes: 34 7.2%

  • Fremantle

    Votes: 123 25.9%

  • Geelong

    Votes: 11 2.3%

  • Gold Coast

    Votes: 96 20.3%

  • GWS

    Votes: 15 3.2%

  • Hawthorn

    Votes: 59 12.4%

  • Melbourne

    Votes: 30 6.3%

  • North Melbourne

    Votes: 74 15.6%

  • Port Adelaide

    Votes: 24 5.1%

  • Richmond

    Votes: 17 3.6%

  • St Kilda

    Votes: 25 5.3%

  • Sydney

    Votes: 50 10.5%

  • West Coast

    Votes: 9 1.9%

  • Western Bulldogs

    Votes: 26 5.5%
  • Total voters
    474

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NeutralFan said:
Did a fun exercise and rated each player born 2000 onwards to get a list 1-18

1. Fremantle - Carried by Young, Serong, Jackson and Treacy

2. Hawthorn - Think Hawthorn's list is more well rounded but Freo's top players beat out the Hawks

3. Adelaide - Little bit surprised I rate their youth lead by Rankine and Thilthorpe

4. Gold Coast - Scary thing is this isn't even accounting for potential for guys like Lombard, Walter, Humphrey, Read

5. St Kilda - Same as Adelaide I was shocked how many Saints players make at least decent-good AFL players. Problem is they still don't have the 'superstar/s'. Might be Ross Lyon effect where he gets the best out of players when I watch

6. GWS - Green, Callaghan then a huge gap honestly

7. Port Adelaide - Butters, Rozee, Horne-Francis is ridiculous but rate the depth after for GWS a lot higher

8. North Melbourne - Ended up the same rating as Port but less top quality. Side note Paul Curtis is a little underrated

9. Sydney - You can interchange Cats and Bombers for this position. However Gulden and Warner as a pair beat out any pair from the other two teams

10. Geelong - Smith, Holmes, Henry extremely good but not better than the pair above

11. Essendon - Similar to St Kilda where I don't really see a superstar player there yet

12. Melbourne - Pickett best player then probably Windsor for mine(?) Not 100% sold on likes of Chandler, Sparrow, Rivers, van Rooyen, McVee to be more than decent best 22 players right now

13. Brisbane - Lions have the equal second least number of 25 and under players yet still end up 12th. Without whatever L. Ashcroft becomes. Headlined by Lohmann, W. Ashcroft and Morris

14. West Coast - Would be equal last without Harley Reid :grimacing: Needs someone to come along. I have faith that Hewett can rise, liked what I saw first year

15. Western Bulldogs - Losing Smith hurts a lot for this exercise. Carried by their forward line of Darcy, Ugle-Hagan and Weightman, minimal output everywhere else

16. Richmond - Equal most amount of 25 and under with GWS. However see absolutely no one before this previous draft that's even threatening becoming a star, maybe just a bunch of nice role players like Brown, Ross, Campbell, Banks, Rioli, Ralphsmith but at the same time I can see any of those not make it past 100 games. At least Gibcus can potentially take a key spot. That group of players is extremely worrying to me. The positive is they have 8 draftees including 6 first rounders after this year with a chance to hit and completely shoot up this list. Potential controversial Richmond rant over

17. Collingwood - Least amount of 25 and under players. Only reason they beat out Carlton is No. 35

18. Carlton - Walsh then a grand canyon sized gap to get to the likes of Cottrell, Motlop, Hollands brothers
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im surprised you have saints that high

Bias but i'd swap them with us
 
The Nostradamus said:
im surprised you have saints that high

Bias but i'd swap them with us
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Ngl I'm also still shocked they ended up 5th so I had a relook.

Comparing Saints with North, I have 9 Saints that I'd say have 'shown signs' of making out a longer than average career and 8 for North. I also decided to give a slight edge to Top 10 draftees so for example Travaglia/Tauru rank higher than the pair of O'Sullivan/Stevens however those players don't rate higher to players like Curtis, McKercher, Wilson who have shown it at the level as well.

If interested those players are
M. King
C. Sharman
R. Byrnes
L. Henry
N. Wanganeen-Milera
M. Windhager
M. Owens
M. Phillipou
D. Wilson

Compared to
B. Scott
C. Comben
T. Powell
P. Curtis
G. Wardlaw
H. Sheezel
C. McKercher
Z. Duursma

Mainly because of Sheezel I say these groups rank equally due to how good he is on his own. Saints having two top 10 draft picks this year slightly helped them, and the surprising fact also is St Kilda actually have 1 more 25 and under player on their list so they get that little extra point to help them ever so slightly
 
NeutralFan said:
Ngl I'm also still shocked they ended up 5th so I had a relook.

Comparing Saints with North, I have 9 Saints that I'd say have 'shown signs' of making out a longer than average career and 8 for North. I also decided to give a slight edge to Top 10 draftees so for example Travaglia/Tauru rank higher than the pair of O'Sullivan/Stevens however those players don't rate higher to players like Curtis, McKercher, Wilson who have shown it at the level as well.

If interested those players are
M. King
C. Sharman
R. Byrnes
L. Henry
N. Wanganeen-Milera
M. Windhager
M. Owens
M. Phillipou
D. Wilson

Compared to
B. Scott
C. Comben
T. Powell
P. Curtis
G. Wardlaw
H. Sheezel
C. McKercher
Z. Duursma

Mainly because of Sheezel I say these groups rank equally due to how good he is on his own. Saints having two top 10 draft picks this year slightly helped them, and the surprising fact also is St Kilda actually have 1 more 25 and under player on their list so they get that little extra point to help them ever so slightly
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They say comparisons are odious.

Not a fan of Jackson archer? I would say he’s comfortably the best defender out of all those players you’ve named.

Also Eddie ford ave 0.8 goals per game from 65% game time didn’t get a mention.

Owens 0.9 from 84%
Henry 0.6 from 79%
Wilson 0.7 from 80%

I’d also suggest Josh Goater but can understand people sleeping on him given the Achilles injury. No one knows how he’ll come back but signs so far are pointing to positive.

Realistically though, sheez, Wardlaw and Mckercher would be top 3 across both lists (with a nod of acknowledgement to Wilson who is close)
 

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the big lebowski said:
They say comparisons are odious.

Not a fan of Jackson archer? I would say he’s comfortably the best defender out of all those players you’ve named.

Also Eddie ford ave 0.8 goals per game from 65% game time didn’t get a mention.

Owens 0.9 from 84%
Henry 0.6 from 79%
Wilson 0.7 from 80%

I’d also suggest Josh Goater but can understand people sleeping on him given the Achilles injury. No one knows how he’ll come back but signs so far are pointing to positive.

Realistically though, sheez, Wardlaw and Mckercher would be top 3 across both lists (with a nod of acknowledgement to Wilson who is close)
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Not having NWM in your top 3 is a pretty clear indication that your view is extremely biased.
 
the big lebowski said:
Fine player but who of sheez, wardlaw and Kerch will he have a better career than?
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They are all 3 years or less in. Nas could have the best career out of them all. But ranking them right now, Nas would be 2nd behind Sheezel is terms of quality of output and general skill.

Again, you have the North glasses on if you dont think any of the Saints young players can have equal or better careers than any those 3 you listed. Phillipou, Owens, Wilson could all also easily match the 3 you listed by the time they are done based on what they have shown so far in their careers. Also King, who would be measured differently given position, could pass them all given his output stacks up against every current elite key forward at the same age.
 
the big lebowski said:
They say comparisons are odious.

Not a fan of Jackson archer? I would say he’s comfortably the best defender out of all those players you’ve named.

Also Eddie ford ave 0.8 goals per game from 65% game time didn’t get a mention.

Owens 0.9 from 84%
Henry 0.6 from 79%
Wilson 0.7 from 80%

I’d also suggest Josh Goater but can understand people sleeping on him given the Achilles injury. No one knows how he’ll come back but signs so far are pointing to positive.

Realistically though, sheez, Wardlaw and Mckercher would be top 3 across both lists (with a nod of acknowledgement to Wilson who is close)
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Not a huge fan on players who just negate as a role, not huge on defenders in general if all you do is either negate or play third man loose in defense (the easiest role in footy) and also it's the easier side of the ground to play compared to forward.

Given that, Eddie Ford's not a bad shout at all. Unsure if he develops enough to where he's in Best 22 when you eventully rise is all.
 
BrutThough said:
They are all 3 years or less in. Nas could have the best career out of them all. But ranking them right now, Nas would be 2nd behind Sheezel is terms of quality of output and general skill.

Again, you have the North glasses on if you dont think any of the Saints young players can have equal or better careers than any those 3 you listed. Phillipou, Owens, Wilson could all also easily match the 3 you listed by the time they are done based on what they have shown so far in their careers. Also King, who would be measured differently given position, could pass them all given his output stacks up against every current elite key forward at the same age.
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You’re of course correct in that anything can happen. Injuries, development, luck, etc will all come into it.

Philipou might turn into James hird next year.

Comben might playnforarad and kick 50 goals.

Most thought Xerri was a battler until he dominated season 2024.

That said, based on draft position and then what they’ve achieved in their first 1-2 years of afl I’d be shocked if there was a recruiter out there that would select wanganeen-Milera over sheez, Wardlaw or Kerch.

Comparing their respective first season at afl level Kerch has basically twice the amount of disposals going at 80% and with an average of 3 running bounces per game. And he’s not even a hbfer.
 
the big lebowski said:
Fine player but who of sheez, wardlaw and Kerch will he have a better career than?
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NWM is ahead of Wardlaw and comfortably McKercher at this stage imo. At least McKercher is only one year in so that's an optimistic viewpoint. It's why Richmond is 16th but ask again in 24 months if those picks hit, could be Top 4 Under 25 list
 
the big lebowski said:
You’re of course correct in that anything can happen. Injuries, development, luck, etc will all come into it.

Philipou might turn into James hird next year.

Comben might playnforarad and kick 50 goals.

Most thought Xerri was a battler until he dominated season 2024.

That said, based on draft position and then what they’ve achieved in their first 1-2 years of afl I’d be shocked if there was a recruiter out there that would select wanganeen-Milera over sheez, Wardlaw or Kerch.

Comparing their respective first season at afl level Kerch has basically twice the amount of disposals going at 80% and with an average of 3 running bounces per game. And he’s not even a hbfer.
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I'm sure many recruiters would take Nas ahead of Wardlaw and Kerch. Probably not Sheezel but you never know.

Difference is, they wouldn't be rating them based off on whether they wear a North jumper or not.
 
the big lebowski said:
They say comparisons are odious.

Not a fan of Jackson archer? I would say he’s comfortably the best defender out of all those players you’ve named.

Also Eddie ford ave 0.8 goals per game from 65% game time didn’t get a mention.

Owens 0.9 from 84%
Henry 0.6 from 79%
Wilson 0.7 from 80%

I’d also suggest Josh Goater but can understand people sleeping on him given the Achilles injury. No one knows how he’ll come back but signs so far are pointing to positive.

Realistically though, sheez, Wardlaw and Mckercher would be top 3 across both lists (with a nod of acknowledgement to Wilson who is close)
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Wanganeen Milera is much better than Archer albeit is a HB not a lockdown small.

Wilson is a winger, Henry played wing and Owen was everywhere, odd comparison.
 
Dewyyyyy said:
Wanganeen Milera is much better than Archer albeit is a HB not a lockdown small.

Wilson is a winger, Henry played wing and Owen was everywhere, odd comparison.
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Wanganeen Milera is a rebounding half back.

He doesnt play on the oppositions best small to medium forwards.

Ford also played wing/forward.

I’ll leave it at that.
 

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NeutralFan said:
Ngl I'm also still shocked they ended up 5th so I had a relook.

Comparing Saints with North, I have 9 Saints that I'd say have 'shown signs' of making out a longer than average career and 8 for North. I also decided to give a slight edge to Top 10 draftees so for example Travaglia/Tauru rank higher than the pair of O'Sullivan/Stevens however those players don't rate higher to players like Curtis, McKercher, Wilson who have shown it at the level as well.

If interested those players are
M. King
C. Sharman
R. Byrnes
L. Henry
N. Wanganeen-Milera
M. Windhager
M. Owens
M. Phillipou
D. Wilson

Compared to
B. Scott
C. Comben
T. Powell
P. Curtis
G. Wardlaw
H. Sheezel
C. McKercher
Z. Duursma

Mainly because of Sheezel I say these groups rank equally due to how good he is on his own. Saints having two top 10 draft picks this year slightly helped them, and the surprising fact also is St Kilda actually have 1 more 25 and under player on their list so they get that little extra point to help them ever so slightly
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Wardlaw, Sheezel and McKercher will all be better than anyone the Saints can put forward.
 
the big lebowski said:
Wanganeen Milera is a rebounding half back.

He doesnt play on the oppositions best small to medium forwards.

Ford also played wing/forward.

I’ll leave it at that.
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Ford was more forward, the others were more wing.

Yes he is and he’s an elite user, accumulator and one of the better players at his role.

Archer is a role player.

I’ll leave it at that.
 
Dewyyyyy said:
Ford was more forward, the others were more wing.

Yes he is and he’s an elite user, accumulator and one of the better players at his role.

Archer is a role player.

I’ll leave it at that.
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I didn’t say archer was a superior player to WM. I said he’s a better defender. And the best defender on the list of players.

Disagree?
 
the big lebowski said:
I didn’t say archer was a superior player to WM. I said he’s a better defender. And the best defender on the list of players.

Disagree?
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WM is classed as a defender so you’re talking about specifically locking someone down. So is a lot of people (good lockdown but shit at other stuff) so I don’t see the relevance
 

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