Which clubs have the best 25 and under team?

[NeutralFan]

im surprised you have saints that high

Bias but i'd swap them with us

Ngl I'm also still shocked they ended up 5th so I had a relook.

Comparing Saints with North, I have 9 Saints that I'd say have 'shown signs' of making out a longer than average career and 8 for North. I also decided to give a slight edge to Top 10 draftees so for example Travaglia/Tauru rank higher than the pair of O'Sullivan/Stevens however those players don't rate higher to players like Curtis, McKercher, Wilson who have shown it at the level as well.

If interested those players are
M. King
C. Sharman
R. Byrnes
L. Henry
N. Wanganeen-Milera
M. Windhager
M. Owens
M. Phillipou
D. Wilson

Compared to
B. Scott
C. Comben
T. Powell
P. Curtis
G. Wardlaw
H. Sheezel
C. McKercher
Z. Duursma

Mainly because of Sheezel I say these groups rank equally due to how good he is on his own. Saints having two top 10 draft picks this year slightly helped them, and the surprising fact also is St Kilda actually have 1 more 25 and under player on their list so they get that little extra point to help them ever so slightly

 

[the big lebowski]

Ngl I'm also still shocked they ended up 5th so I had a relook.

Comparing Saints with North, I have 9 Saints that I'd say have 'shown signs' of making out a longer than average career and 8 for North. I also decided to give a slight edge to Top 10 draftees so for example Travaglia/Tauru rank higher than the pair of O'Sullivan/Stevens however those players don't rate higher to players like Curtis, McKercher, Wilson who have shown it at the level as well.

If interested those players are
M. King
C. Sharman
R. Byrnes
L. Henry
N. Wanganeen-Milera
M. Windhager
M. Owens
M. Phillipou
D. Wilson

Compared to
B. Scott
C. Comben
T. Powell
P. Curtis
G. Wardlaw
H. Sheezel
C. McKercher
Z. Duursma

Mainly because of Sheezel I say these groups rank equally due to how good he is on his own. Saints having two top 10 draft picks this year slightly helped them, and the surprising fact also is St Kilda actually have 1 more 25 and under player on their list so they get that little extra point to help them ever so slightly

They say comparisons are odious.

Not a fan of Jackson archer? I would say he’s comfortably the best defender out of all those players you’ve named.

Also Eddie ford ave 0.8 goals per game from 65% game time didn’t get a mention.

Owens 0.9 from 84%
Henry 0.6 from 79%
Wilson 0.7 from 80%

I’d also suggest Josh Goater but can understand people sleeping on him given the Achilles injury. No one knows how he’ll come back but signs so far are pointing to positive.

Realistically though, sheez, Wardlaw and Mckercher would be top 3 across both lists (with a nod of acknowledgement to Wilson who is close)

 

[BrutThough]

They say comparisons are odious.

Not a fan of Jackson archer? I would say he’s comfortably the best defender out of all those players you’ve named.

Also Eddie ford ave 0.8 goals per game from 65% game time didn’t get a mention.

Owens 0.9 from 84%
Henry 0.6 from 79%
Wilson 0.7 from 80%

I’d also suggest Josh Goater but can understand people sleeping on him given the Achilles injury. No one knows how he’ll come back but signs so far are pointing to positive.

Realistically though, sheez, Wardlaw and Mckercher would be top 3 across both lists (with a nod of acknowledgement to Wilson who is close)

Not having NWM in your top 3 is a pretty clear indication that your view is extremely biased.

 

[the big lebowski]

Not having NWM in your top 3 is a pretty clear indication that your view is extremely biased.

Fine player but who of sheez, wardlaw and Kerch will he have a better career than?

 

[BrutThough]

Fine player but who of sheez, wardlaw and Kerch will he have a better career than?

They are all 3 years or less in. Nas could have the best career out of them all. But ranking them right now, Nas would be 2nd behind Sheezel is terms of quality of output and general skill.

Again, you have the North glasses on if you dont think any of the Saints young players can have equal or better careers than any those 3 you listed. Phillipou, Owens, Wilson could all also easily match the 3 you listed by the time they are done based on what they have shown so far in their careers. Also King, who would be measured differently given position, could pass them all given his output stacks up against every current elite key forward at the same age.

 

[NeutralFan]

They say comparisons are odious.

Not a fan of Jackson archer? I would say he’s comfortably the best defender out of all those players you’ve named.

Also Eddie ford ave 0.8 goals per game from 65% game time didn’t get a mention.

Owens 0.9 from 84%
Henry 0.6 from 79%
Wilson 0.7 from 80%

I’d also suggest Josh Goater but can understand people sleeping on him given the Achilles injury. No one knows how he’ll come back but signs so far are pointing to positive.

Realistically though, sheez, Wardlaw and Mckercher would be top 3 across both lists (with a nod of acknowledgement to Wilson who is close)

Not a huge fan on players who just negate as a role, not huge on defenders in general if all you do is either negate or play third man loose in defense (the easiest role in footy) and also it's the easier side of the ground to play compared to forward.

Given that, Eddie Ford's not a bad shout at all. Unsure if he develops enough to where he's in Best 22 when you eventully rise is all.

 

[the big lebowski]

They are all 3 years or less in. Nas could have the best career out of them all. But ranking them right now, Nas would be 2nd behind Sheezel is terms of quality of output and general skill.

Again, you have the North glasses on if you dont think any of the Saints young players can have equal or better careers than any those 3 you listed. Phillipou, Owens, Wilson could all also easily match the 3 you listed by the time they are done based on what they have shown so far in their careers. Also King, who would be measured differently given position, could pass them all given his output stacks up against every current elite key forward at the same age.

You’re of course correct in that anything can happen. Injuries, development, luck, etc will all come into it.

Philipou might turn into James hird next year.

Comben might playnforarad and kick 50 goals.

Most thought Xerri was a battler until he dominated season 2024.

That said, based on draft position and then what they’ve achieved in their first 1-2 years of afl I’d be shocked if there was a recruiter out there that would select wanganeen-Milera over sheez, Wardlaw or Kerch.

Comparing their respective first season at afl level Kerch has basically twice the amount of disposals going at 80% and with an average of 3 running bounces per game. And he’s not even a hbfer.

 

[NeutralFan]

Fine player but who of sheez, wardlaw and Kerch will he have a better career than?

NWM is ahead of Wardlaw and comfortably McKercher at this stage imo. At least McKercher is only one year in so that's an optimistic viewpoint. It's why Richmond is 16th but ask again in 24 months if those picks hit, could be Top 4 Under 25 list

 

[the big lebowski]

NWM is ahead of Wardlaw and comfortably McKercher at this stage imo. At least McKercher is only one year in so that's an optimistic viewpoint. It's why Richmond is 16th but ask again in 24 months if those picks hit, could be Top 4 Under 25 list

Nah

 

[BrutThough]

You’re of course correct in that anything can happen. Injuries, development, luck, etc will all come into it.

Philipou might turn into James hird next year.

Comben might playnforarad and kick 50 goals.

Most thought Xerri was a battler until he dominated season 2024.

That said, based on draft position and then what they’ve achieved in their first 1-2 years of afl I’d be shocked if there was a recruiter out there that would select wanganeen-Milera over sheez, Wardlaw or Kerch.

Comparing their respective first season at afl level Kerch has basically twice the amount of disposals going at 80% and with an average of 3 running bounces per game. And he’s not even a hbfer.

I'm sure many recruiters would take Nas ahead of Wardlaw and Kerch. Probably not Sheezel but you never know.

Difference is, they wouldn't be rating them based off on whether they wear a North jumper or not.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

They say comparisons are odious.

Not a fan of Jackson archer? I would say he’s comfortably the best defender out of all those players you’ve named.

Also Eddie ford ave 0.8 goals per game from 65% game time didn’t get a mention.

Owens 0.9 from 84%
Henry 0.6 from 79%
Wilson 0.7 from 80%

I’d also suggest Josh Goater but can understand people sleeping on him given the Achilles injury. No one knows how he’ll come back but signs so far are pointing to positive.

Realistically though, sheez, Wardlaw and Mckercher would be top 3 across both lists (with a nod of acknowledgement to Wilson who is close)

Wanganeen Milera is much better than Archer albeit is a HB not a lockdown small.

Wilson is a winger, Henry played wing and Owen was everywhere, odd comparison.

 

[the big lebowski]

Wanganeen Milera is much better than Archer albeit is a HB not a lockdown small.

Wilson is a winger, Henry played wing and Owen was everywhere, odd comparison.

Wanganeen Milera is a rebounding half back.

He doesnt play on the oppositions best small to medium forwards.

Ford also played wing/forward.

I’ll leave it at that.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Ngl I'm also still shocked they ended up 5th so I had a relook.

Comparing Saints with North, I have 9 Saints that I'd say have 'shown signs' of making out a longer than average career and 8 for North. I also decided to give a slight edge to Top 10 draftees so for example Travaglia/Tauru rank higher than the pair of O'Sullivan/Stevens however those players don't rate higher to players like Curtis, McKercher, Wilson who have shown it at the level as well.

If interested those players are
M. King
C. Sharman
R. Byrnes
L. Henry
N. Wanganeen-Milera
M. Windhager
M. Owens
M. Phillipou
D. Wilson

Compared to
B. Scott
C. Comben
T. Powell
P. Curtis
G. Wardlaw
H. Sheezel
C. McKercher
Z. Duursma

Mainly because of Sheezel I say these groups rank equally due to how good he is on his own. Saints having two top 10 draft picks this year slightly helped them, and the surprising fact also is St Kilda actually have 1 more 25 and under player on their list so they get that little extra point to help them ever so slightly

Wardlaw, Sheezel and McKercher will all be better than anyone the Saints can put forward.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Wanganeen Milera is a rebounding half back.

He doesnt play on the oppositions best small to medium forwards.

Ford also played wing/forward.

I’ll leave it at that.

Ford was more forward, the others were more wing.

Yes he is and he’s an elite user, accumulator and one of the better players at his role.

Archer is a role player.

I’ll leave it at that.

 

[the big lebowski]

Ford was more forward, the others were more wing.

Yes he is and he’s an elite user, accumulator and one of the better players at his role.

Archer is a role player.

I’ll leave it at that.

I didn’t say archer was a superior player to WM. I said he’s a better defender. And the best defender on the list of players.

Disagree?

 

[the big lebowski]

Pretty clear from champion data perspective.

Maybe their analytics are viewed through a royal blue and white filter

 

[weltschmerz]

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Pretty clear from champion data perspective.

Maybe their analytics are viewed through a royal blue and white filter

Their data is midfield and halfback heavy. Even with his goal kicking yips last year I reckon most people would take JUH over Hollands or Powell.

 

[Dewyyyyy]

I didn’t say archer was a superior player to WM. I said he’s a better defender. And the best defender on the list of players.

Disagree?

WM is classed as a defender so you’re talking about specifically locking someone down. So is a lot of people (good lockdown but shit at other stuff) so I don’t see the relevance

 

[the big lebowski]

Their data is midfield and halfback heavy. Even with his goal kicking yips last year I reckon most people would take JUH over Hollands or Powell.

100%

I’d also take Paul Curtis over Hollands as would everyone else

But yes it’s just a piece in the puzzle

 

[the big lebowski]

WM is classed as a defender so you’re talking about specifically locking someone down. So is a lot of people (good lockdown but shit at other stuff) so I don’t see the relevance

Who would you put on Toby Greene?

Archer or Wanganeed-Milera?

 

[Dewyyyyy]

Who would you put on Toby Greene?

Archer or Wanganeed-Milera?

Greene kicks 5 either way.

 

[the big lebowski]

Greene kicks 5 either way.

Well Josh Goater kept Greene to 0 goals in round 1 and archer is a better one on one defender.

But this is getting silly

 

[Mr Meow]

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Pretty clear from champion data perspective.

Maybe their analytics are viewed through a royal blue and white filter

Lawson Humphries so close for the 21s, on 11.03. 2 of his 11 games were finals; I think on H&A he'd have been top 5.

 

[NeutralFan]

Wardlaw, Sheezel and McKercher will all be better than anyone the Saints can put forward.

Not rating on potential, otherwise Richmond would be a lot higher than where I currently have them

 

[NeutralFan]

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Pretty clear from champion data perspective.

Maybe their analytics are viewed through a royal blue and white filter

Don't believe Wardlaw and Powell to be as good as they've been rated but I also think Sheezel should be rated a lot higher.

You should be especially filthy Rowell is rated that much higher than Sheezel who is just better even now.