Which teams list would you least want going forward?

[darthbards]

Carlton and Essendon played two very ordinary games in 2016.
We won one ,they won one.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm counting the game at Princess Park also. I know it was only a pre season game but the context meant so much to such arch rivals. The Blues fans turned up in droves and were sent home discrassed by a club that had been coping a fair bit of criticism at the time. Pre seasons are huge for Carlton these days because it's their only chance to pump up their shabby list or drool over the brain dead feats of their beloved SOS which some are currently doing now. The Bombers put them well and truly back in their box,enough to be classified as a humiliation.

 

[footyfan1978]

We have some genuine talent in our kids.
Merrett, parish, tippa, Daniher, Fantasia.
heppell isn't exactly old.
And Gleeson was named in
Also, Hartley is a 22-23yo kp talent who has taken his second shot with two hands and shown he can hold tall forwards.
Francis, Langford and laverde probably need a good showing in 2017 for us to be on track. I thought langford ended the year well where laverde and Francis showed glimpses.

You have some genuine talent, yes, every club has some.
Some have more, I do not believe Essendon is one of those.
I really do not believe Gleeson and Hartley are much more than honest foot soldiers.
Francis I believe could be something. I struggle to get much excited for many other of your youngsters.
Anyway, I did not rate Essendon the worst list, just one of the ones I considered.

 

[Bombermania]

Carlton and Essendon played two very ordinary games in 2016.
We won one ,they won one.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I thought the second one was a better contest, not just because Essendon won but the actual match was played to a better standard, but going back to the earlier one, that was a good win for Carlton, sometimes those kind of wins help to build a young side.

 

[footyfan1978]

I'm counting the game at Princess Park also. I know it was only a pre season game but the context meant so much to such arch rivals. The Blues fans turned up in droves and were sent home discrassed by a club that had been coping a fair bit of criticism at the time. Pre seasons are huge for Carlton these days because it's their only chance to pump up their shabby list or drool over the brain dead feats of their beloved SOS which some are currently doing now. The Bombers put them well and truly back in their box,enough to be classified as a humiliation.

You can class it anyway you like. It was a pre-season hit out with a team nothing like we will have on the park from 2018 onwards. Really just sounds like you are rambling with some hate for my club.
That is fine. Don't really rate your opinion based on your superficial thinking about this.

 

[Bombermania]

You have some genuine talent, yes, every club has some.
Some have more, I do not believe Essendon is one of those.
I really do not believe Gleeson and Hartley are much more than honest foot soldiers.
Francis I believe could be something. I struggle to get much excited for many other of your youngsters.
Anyway, I did not rate Essendon the worst list, just one of the ones I considered.

Essendon should finish between 7th and 12th, it has a strong list and depth across the ground.

Glesson and Hartley are good serviceable players but they are not in the best dozen on the Essendon list.

 

[footyfan1978]

I thought the second one was a better contest, not just because Essendon won but the actual match was played to a better standard, but going back to the earlier one, that was a good win for Carlton, sometimes those kind of wins help to build a young side.

Don't know. Did not go. Saw bit of first one on tv. Was a snore fest. We won but apart from that forgetful game I never bothered to watch a moment more after I saw it on tv. Think it will be two or three years before either club got any decent side to start winning more games than losing. But I am very happy with how we are turning over the terrible list we had at end of 2015. Got some exciting young talent now. Just got to be patient for next few years as they develop and grow together and we keep adding more talent in next few draft periods.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

Love this thread.

We have 13 first or second round draft picks who have played less than 30 games and they're all under 23 except for Daw. For reference, Brisbane have 8, GWS have 9, Carlton have 12, Essendon 10, Hawthorn 5, Port 5, Gold Coast 10, Geelong 3 (quick sums - don't shoot me).

Just because you haven't seen the young players doesn't mean they're not there. We had a crack at the flag after two prelims and failed. Older players were given priority and now they're gone, but the core of that side plays together for 5+ more years.

With the players we've lost this year, we will pay minimum cap this year and next and could, therefore, have ~$1.5m free to spend on recruitment next year (can overspend when you've underspent the year before).

We ain't going anywhere.

 

[darthbards]

You can class it anyway you like. It was a pre-season hit out with a team nothing like we will have on the park from 2018 onwards. Really just sounds like you are rambling with some hate for my club.
That is fine. Don't really rate your opinion based on your superficial thinking about this.

I just think the arrogant mentality of the blues was on show as it is with calling the humiliating defeat against Essendon to end the season a dead rubber. Essendons list is going to prove far superior than Carltons and the blues won't be able to call these dead rubbers or make excuses forever.

 

[footyfan1978]

I just think the arrogant mentality of the blues was on show as it is with calling the humiliating defeat against Essendon to end the season a dead rubber. Essendons list is going to prove far superior than Carltons and the blues won't be able to call these dead rubbers or make excuses forever.

If you think I am arrogant. That's nice.
I call it how I see it.
Meanwhile your club won a premiership and you concern yourself with this stuff.

 

[Bombermania]

I just think the arrogant mentality of the blues was on show as it is with calling the humiliating defeat against Essendon to end the season a dead rubber. Essendons list is going to prove far superior than Carltons and the blues won't be able to call these dead rubbers or make excuses forever.

On paper the Essendon list should improve by more than Carlton's list but they are developing a nice list despite lacking a dangerous forward.

Carlton have had an overrated list in recent years but Bolton seems to be putting together a good core group of kids.

 

[darthbards]

If you think I am arrogant. That's nice.
I call it how I see it.
Meanwhile your club won a premiership and you concern yourself with this stuff.

Nah sorry man,don't think your arrogant at all,it came across wrong. I think your club is arrogant which has led to it being the laughing stock that it is and shall remain. A group thing,not a personal one against you.

 

[Bombermania]

Love this thread.

We have 13 first or second round draft picks who have played less than 30 games and they're all under 23 except for Daw. For reference, Brisbane have 8, GWS have 9, Carlton have 12, Essendon 10, Hawthorn 5, Port 5, Gold Coast 10, Geelong 3 (quick sums - don't shoot me).

Just because you haven't seen the young players doesn't mean they're not there. We had a crack at the flag after two prelims and failed. Older players were given priority and now they're gone, but the core of that side plays together for 5+ more years.

With the players we've lost this year, we will pay minimum cap this year and next and could, therefore, have ~$1.5m free to spend on recruitment next year (can overspend when you've underspent the year before).

We ain't going anywhere.

I think the question mark that hangs over North is are reflection that it has undergone generational change with several key players being moved on, this sometimes leads to a side sliding, other times not so, North will be interesting to watch in 2017.

 

[Thrawn]

I'm counting the game at Princess Park also. I know it was only a pre season game but the context meant so much to such arch rivals.

No it doesn't. A pre-season game means nothing. Even if we played Collingwood, it still doesn't matter.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Carlton's as they keep blowing draft picks and trading in average GWS players.

Evidence from 2008 to 2014 draft only 8 players remain (Casboult, White, Ed Curnow, Rowe, Buckley, Cripps, Byrne and Buckley). We the exception of Cripps the rest are average of below average players.

Too early to say how the 2015 and 2016 drafts turned out for them but no evidence yet that their rebuild has started.

 

[Monkey King]

I'm counting the game at Princess Park also. I know it was only a pre season game but the context meant so much to such arch rivals.

Lol. A preseason game and a dead rubber. That sounds awfully compelling

 

[HeHateMe]

As others have mentioned hawthorn are unlikely to enter a rebuild or finnish bottom 4 any time soon. The bulk of our list top talent is still in the right age bracket. What is still yet to be seen is weather this list can be built into a premiership contender or is its ceiling a very good team thats just making up the numbers.

Hawks are definitely not going to die wondering. Moveing on older but still very good players for acquiring some of the best young talent in the league but at a very high price and with an abundance of injury risk.

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[Marstermind]

Sorry if I did not word the initial post too well but I am sort of referring to hope. Hope is what drives a lot of football fans, hope that their team is working towards something. Different supporter bases have different kinds of hope. Myself for instance I hope the Swans can win the flag in 2017 but a Carlton fan would not have that as realistically we all know, even Carlton fans that they are not going to win the flag in 2017, so what makes a Carlton fan hopeful about their team. I think if I were a Carlton fan I would be hopeful about some of the younger players coming through, guys like Weitering and Cripps and if I were a Carlton fan I would be hopeful that my teams list is improving and that in a few years time the Blues might be contenders, or at the very least pushing for finals again.

This thread was sort of about lists that do not provide hope for their supporter bases, or which lists would give their supporters the least about of hope in terms of imagining their team contending for the flag in the somewhat near future. It is why I picked North Melbourne as they are not pushing for a flag so there is no hope there, they don't have many A grade players to keep their supporters excited and they also do not have any real youth coming through so they can't hope that their list will be getting better in the somewhat near future. Their list is sort of stuck in no mans land, and it is really hard to imagine North getting out of that position easily. Their list does not provide a lot of hope for the near future.

I hope that makes more sense.

No. It makes less sense. Most NMFC fans are full of hope and quite excited by the list whilst largely realistic about the short term. You don't know about the young players there so you assume they are rubbish. I don't think North are going to be contending in 2017 but really looking forward to the year.

 

[Monkey King]

Carlton's as they keep blowing draft picks and trading in average GWS players.

Every premiership team has average players. They're actually kinda important if they are role players. A guy like Plowman could be a valuable, above average, role player for the Blues from what he's shown at Carlton so far. Not sold on the rest of last year's GWS mob being any more than candidates for future delisting thus far, but that's okay, coz we paid pick 28 for the lot of em' and Plowman alone would deliver on that investment.

One thing I don't get though, is why people rate Marchbank as an average player. This kid displayed some real talent at GWS and they rated him highly; when fit, he was best 22 in a strong GWS outfit. If Carlton could get one Plowman or Marchbank for cheap every year, I'm struggling to see how that is a negative.

The Blues have a whole new set up with Bolton and SOS, so in terms of potential future drafting, you would think blown picks from a previous recruiter would be utterly irrelevant. Meaningless point that one.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Every premiership team has average players. They're actually kinda important if they are role players. A guy like Plowman could be a valuable, above average, role player for the Blues from what he's shown at Carlton so far. Not sold on the rest of last year's GWS mob being any more than candidates for future delisting thus far, but that's okay, coz we paid pick 28 for the lot of em' and Plowman alone would deliver on that investment.

One thing I don't get though, is why people rate Marchbank as an average player. This kid displayed some real talent at GWS and they rated him highly; when fit, he was best 22 in a strong GWS outfit. If Carlton could get one Plowman or Marchbank for cheap every year, I'm struggling to see how that is a negative.

The Blues have a whole new set up with Bolton and SOS, so in terms of potential future drafting, you would think blown picks from a previous recruiter would be utterly irrelevant. Meaningless point that one.

Not meaningless when assessing a list as a lot of the players of that period are still there such as Thomas, Jones and Jaksch.

SOS was a bit hit and miss at GWS but agreed will better than what was there before. Too early to say about the last 2 years drafts and trade periods though.

 

[ShanDog]

Carlton's as they keep blowing draft picks and trading in average GWS players.

Evidence from 2008 to 2014 draft only 8 players remain (Casboult, White, Ed Curnow, Rowe, Buckley, Cripps, Byrne and Buckley). We the exception of Cripps the rest are average of below average players.

Too early to say how the 2015 and 2016 drafts turned out for them but no evidence yet that their rebuild has started.

You point out that barely anyone on the list from only a few years ago is still playing, then say there's no evidence of the rebuild starting? Wut?

 

[pacman]

Who voted brisbane? Im genuinely curious as to why. Added 3 highly rated juniors to a pritty young team to begin with. I mean the thread states 'going forward'.

About to add 3 high draft picks next season.

4 people also voted GWS come on seriously it's THE best list right now and for the next 3 years.
Hopefully Bris now on the right track.

 

[B4Bear]

Has to be one of North or Richmond. North's list is worse but I'd pick Richmond because at least North will likely bottom out and get high picks. Richmond are stuck in the no mans land of hovering around 7th-14th for a few years yet.

But, but, but. We have the second youngest list in the league. I was assured by all you ****wit BF commentators that youth was the way to go.

And now you are telling me that young players are no good for the future.

Oh what will we do.

 

[RudyBlue]

carlton easy...

rubbish list that has misfired on the rebuild. need to start over again but instead they'll bumble along for three years or so, crash and then rebuild again

Premature would be an understatement

 

[Bomberblitzer]

But, but, but. We have the second youngest list in the league. I was assured by all you ******* BF commentators that youth was the way to go.

And now you are telling me that young players are no good for the future.

Oh what will we do.

Just North's young players.

 

[PerfectFooty]

North Melbourne or Collingwood