Which teams list would you least want going forward?

[Go_Blues!]

I would take North's list in a heartbeat over Carlton's. I don't understand why Brisbane - who have some very real and obvious developing talent - cop it, whilst most seem to be entirely oblivious as to how much of a shambles Carlton's list is. Aside from Cripps and Weitering there aint much. A bunch of GWS rejects, some unproven youth; the rest are just list cloggers. Last year they had 17 or 18 25+ year olds on their list which was top 3 or four in the league from memory.

Am I being overly harsh? Can anyone tell me what they see in Carlton's list?

Gibbs is pretty good.

 

[Chaisa]

I'll say Port. For youth they have Wingard and Wines but not a lot else. Too many overpaid players, top-end doesn't have enough IMO. They just seem in no-mans land for a while.

North in a bit of trouble too. Their 24-28 group isn't elite enough, and while they have some decent youth I'm not sold on them being true A-graders. At least they understand that their window is closed and can probably start rebuilding. There'll be pain but I reckon they'll come out of this fine.

Actually don't mind Richmond's list, it was good enough to finish 5th in the H&A season back in 2015 and I wouldn't say their current list has gotten much worse. Spine could be an issue but it's not a complete write-off if things go right. Struggle to see it being true contenders though, and they don't have a lot under the age of 24.....

Hawthorn have taken an awful lot of risks but they could still come out on top, Carlton and Brisbane look pretty poor right now but have had some good drafts recently and at least in Carlton's case have an excellent coach who can get the best out of his players, and while Collingwood have a bad coach, they do have some top quality talent and reasonable depth.

 

[Martyn_30_]

It's clearly North right now, they remind me a lot of St kilda 5 years ago. There's still enough experience to be competitive but they're also still a bit off bottoming out totally.


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[Catsnlakers]

North Melbourne easily the list with most lack of young talent. Cannot see them winning more than 3 games next year.

3 games? Thats pretty extreme id have to say... I see them around the 8 win mark.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Suns.

Their off-field form dwarfs their onfield stuff !!

 

[lemons123]

It's clearly North right now, they remind me a lot of St kilda 5 years ago. There's still enough experience to be competitive but they're also still a bit off bottoming out totally.


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Which is interesting - if you go by the poll's results the saints now have the second most 'desirable' list, behind only Melbourne. So there's every chance North can turn it around very quickly.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I hope this thread is still open by next October and the poll votes are publicly visible.

 

[boydee]

3 games? Thats pretty extreme id have to say... I see them around the 8 win mark.

It may be extreme but I think this season will be very hard for them.

 

[boydee]

Which is interesting - if you go by the poll's results the saints now have the second most 'desirable' list, behind only Melbourne. So there's every chance North can turn it around very quickly.

I dont see how St.Kilda can have the second most desirable list behind Melbourne. Must have been a bunch of dicks who did the poll.

 

[Bulldog1954]

North Melbourne easily the list with most lack of young talent. Cannot see them winning more than 3 games next year.

They will win at least 7-8 games, they won't be a rabble. They still have quite a lot of good footballers and have two guns in Goldstein and Tarrant.

They need to focus on adding class and run to their midfield. Ziebell, Cunnington and Swallow will still win their share on the inside but they will miss the run of Harvey and Wells. There may be youngsters who haven't been given the chance yet who can impact, but generally, injuries aside they would have forced their way into the side. If they can add midfield class through drafting / trading over the next 2-3 years they'll be ok, but they'll need to really nail it to get back in to contention.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

They will win at least 7-8 games, they won't be a rabble. They still have quite a lot of good footballers and have two guns in Goldstein and Tarrant.

They need to focus on adding class and run to their midfield. Ziebell, Cunnington and Swallow will still win their share on the inside but they will miss the run of Harvey and Wells. There may be youngsters who haven't been given the chance yet who can impact, but generally, injuries aside they would have forced their way into the side. If they can add midfield class through drafting / trading over the next 2-3 years they'll be ok, but they'll need to really nail it to get back in to contention.

Lots of your fellow supporters have been heavily trolling North this offseason but your post is very accurate.

I'm looking forward to seeing if any of our draftees over the last few years and traded in players like Hrovat can nail down a spot next season. Looking forward to it.

 

[footyfan1978]

I dont see how St.Kilda can have the second most desirable list behind Melbourne. Must have been a bunch of dicks who did the poll.

Saints had some good wins this season just gone. I think that has elevated their list in some people's mind. Personally I think their list of youngsters is nowhere near as appealing as what Melbourne have. Furthermore I think take away Nick Riewoldt and Montagna not long into future and Saints look a middle of ladder group to me. I think Melbourne in time can be a premiership contender to test the likes of GWS and Dogs that clearly have the talent to contend for a good 5 years or more. I don't see them touching those sides. I think any other club they can catch though. Would want to add a lot more of the Gresham and Billings types to start making me think they can compete with the lists Dogs and Dees have built up in recent years.

I think we just finished an era where Geelong, Hawks and Sydney were the benchmarks and we are moving into the era of GWS, Dogs and Dees. Where Fremantle were in that Cats, Hawks and Swans era I feel is where Saints are likely positioned for this coming era. Of course a couple of draft, free agency and trade periods of massive gains could turn all that on it's head. Their list as it stands does not excite me as a whole. I really like the look of Gresham and Billings though. Need quite a few more class types like them in coming drafts.

 

[TwentyNine]

Level of North fear in this thread is highly amusing. Keep it up lads, we've had a shit list, shit coach and no money for the last three years apparently and yet still outperformed the vast majority of other teams in the comp in that time.

Tigers, Port and Carlton seem like the three big candidates from my POV - Tigers and Port both at the middle-end of building stages that aren't going to be good enough, Port just blew drafts picks from this year and guys who can't kick, like they needed more of those? Carlton are 'building' but have drafted poorly imo and SOS will be angling for them to join the NEAFL inside 2-3 years...

 

[footyfan1978]

Carlton are 'building'

You got one thing right. That is something.
I think as a football community with the Brent Harvey era over, Drew Petrie gone and Wells gone, most wonder how North that failed dismally in second half of year once Waite body failed him, can stop the slide down the ladder.

We await to see what Trent Dumont, Ryan Clarke, Jed Anderson, Kayne Turner, Sam Durdin, Mitchell Hibberd, Ben McKay, Vickers-Mills and Wagner can do to help the likes of Luke McDonald, Ben Brown and Mason Wood from watching their club fall even further away on ladder. They were virtually in free fall at back end of 2016. This has a lot to do with the poll results. The only fear being shown is from some North supporters like yourself that sense it might be accurate forecast.

 

[HirdyLannister]

Level of North fear in this thread is highly amusing.

Thanks for the laugh, I needed something to cheer me up today.

 

[Mofra]

Lots of your fellow supporters have been heavily trolling North this offseason but your post is very accurate.

I'm looking forward to seeing if any of our draftees over the last few years and traded in players like Hrovat can nail down a spot next season. Looking forward to it.

A fit Hrovat is a very good footballer. Plays a similar role to Caleb Daniel - you want the ball in his hands kicking inside 50 to your forwards.

 

[Bojan KantKick]

A fit Hrovat is a very good footballer. Plays a similar role to Caleb Daniel - you want the ball in his hands kicking inside 50 to your forwards.

We'll definitely need that with Wells gone. Our delivery into the 50 is pretty average.

 

[Hank Scorpion]

Port's list is rather poor .

Lots of overpaid B & C graders on long contracts. Wingard doesn't seem to be climbing the heights we expected of him after watching his debut season. Wines is now a plodder. There's very little else in terms of youth that's appealing.

Dixon is a confirmed spud. Hombsch (quality), and Marshall, the unproven draftee, are their only other two KPPs.

They go without next year's pick 3-8.

And their age profile is really awkward too. NM/Hawthorn are at least beginning full rebuilds. Power will probably keep the same midfield core for a couple years yet and I can't see it getting them too far above bottom 4.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Level of North fear in this thread is highly amusing. Keep it up lads, we've had a shit list, shit coach and no money for the last three years apparently and yet still outperformed the vast majority of other teams in the comp in that time.

Tigers, Port and Carlton seem like the three big candidates from my POV - Tigers and Port both at the middle-end of building stages that aren't going to be good enough, Port just blew drafts picks from this year and guys who can't kick, like they needed more of those? Carlton are 'building' but have drafted poorly imo and SOS will be angling for them to join the NEAFL inside 2-3 years...

I'll take draft/rookies picks of Boekhorst, Cuningham, Curnow, H. McKay, Silvagni, Weitering, SPS, Fisher, Macreadie, Polson, Kerr, LeBois...
And trade ins of Jaksch, Kerridge, Lamb, Phillips, Plowman, Wright, Smedts, Marchbank, Pickett, Palmer.

Over:
Draft/rookie picks of Simpkin, Watson, Josh Williams, Larkey, Zurhaar, Clarke, Durdin, Fordham, Hibberd, B. McKay, Mountford, Nielson, Preuss, Vickers-Willis, Wagner,
And trade ins of Ahern, Hrovat, Marley Williams, Anderson, Dal Santo, Waite, Higgins, Nahas, Farren Ray.

If I was a North supporter, I'd probably vote for North.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Fair points, but has Brad Scott shown he can actually develop kids and win at the same time?
Only 10 senior AFL games from the last two drafts thus far is a pretty damning indication of Brad's ability to mix contending and developing.

Wood is quality, Hrovat too when he gets an injury free run at it (you got a bargain there), Clarke has shown signs, but it's not just playing kids and developing them.... it's getting them to be better than the kids other teams have that counts.
Externally, it seems Brad only plays your kids when he's exhausted all other options.

Your criticism of the last two draftees not getting games isn't warranted.

2014 draft, all kpp's and all suffered season ending injuries early in 2015. This put their development back 12 months and they are kpp's, they take forever anyway.

The 2015 draft, we took a raw kpf, Clarke (who got games, but was very raw), Hibberd (who had defencies to work on and couldn't force out Macmillan, who had a very good year), Wagner (who was too undersized as a player, but still got games) and Mountford (again too small and raw for afl level). This year was a development year for both draft years as they had things to work on and almost all will be getting games next year, except for Neilson.

Scott plays kids when they are ready and plays the safe option with them, rather than throwing them in the deep end line some clubs do. Yes, a few individual youngsters should have gotten a few more games here or there, but most coaches would have made the exact same decisions as Brad.

I'm not defending him though, I wanted him gone October of this year.

 

[Richo83]

Level of North fear in this thread is highly amusing. Keep it up lads, we've had a shit list, shit coach and no money for the last three years apparently and yet still outperformed the vast majority of other teams in the comp in that time.

I'd say guys like Dal Santo and Harvey had a fair hand in that though.

Tigers, Port and Carlton seem like the three big candidates from my POV - Tigers and Port both at the middle-end of building stages that aren't going to be good enough, Port just blew drafts picks from this year and guys who can't kick, like they needed more of those? Carlton are 'building' but have drafted poorly imo and SOS will be angling for them to join the NEAFL inside 2-3 years...

Port's inside midfielder list isn't that great. It's mainly Boak, Gray and Wines and Gray needs to be playing more outside. I agree Port are in trouble but their drafting this year made sense. As for Carlton, their 2014 draft was terrible, but the last two haven't been bad.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

It worries me that Ben Brown is consistently named norths best young player in this thread when he is already 24

Consistently named by who, because sure as shit he isn't. Wood and McDonald with Dumont and Clarke behind them, head our better youth stocks.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I'll take draft/rookies picks of Boekhorst, Cuningham, Curnow, H. McKay, Silvagni, Weitering, SPS, Fisher, Macreadie, Polson, Kerr, LeBois...
And trade ins of Jaksch, Kerridge, Lamb, Phillips, Plowman, Wright, Smedts, Marchbank, Pickett, Palmer.

Over:
Draft/rookie picks of Simpkin, Watson, Josh Williams, Larkey, Zurhaar, Clarke, Durdin, Fordham, Hibberd, B. McKay, Mountford, Nielson, Preuss, Vickers-Willis, Wagner,
And trade ins of Ahern, Hrovat, Marley Williams, Anderson, Dal Santo, Waite, Higgins, Nahas, Farren Ray.

If I was a North supporter, I'd probably vote for North.

You just had to fall for a troll post didn't you?

Btw, a little early to be boasting about recently drafted players and trades, especially when you name guys like Boekhorst and Palmer. Best to do a draft/trades comparison at the end of next season to see how everyone went.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Consistently named by who, because sure as shit he isn't. Wood and McDonald with Dumont and Clarke behind them head our better youth stocks.

I think those names you listed are his point. They hardly send shivers down opposition spines. Wood is 23 also so not much of a youngster.

 

[Saint]

Too many people putting faith in potential.

There's no guarantee that high draft picks will be good players. Brisbane's and Carlton's lists are putrid. Sure, they might come good, but almost as likely they'll stay crap for another 5 years (see Melbourne and Richmond of the last 10 years).