"Who do the white men think will win?"

[WaltzingMatera]

The Age is a terrible newspaper. As a broadsheet, looks intellectual. Although read the articles and in general it is up-in-the-clouds rubbish. It's not even 'left wing' per se anymore just silly.

 

[The_Reaper]

Genuine question.

When people talk about taking it up the ***, is that a reference to homosexuality or the rather brutal nature of anal sex. Especially when figuratively non-consensual.

I repeat, genuine.

I think those supporters meant the former, but when people say things like 'they should have used lube' - does that also apply??

Sydney take it up the arse do dah do dah

Is an old primary school song with 'insert name' takes it up the bum do dah do dah

I'm surprised everyone who grew up in Australia hasn't heard it

 

[Burzum]

Another "white men are evil" article.

Yawn.

 

[Dylan8]

Shout sexism while putting out some sly sexual objectification of men. Erm.

 

[Matilda05]

Genuine question.

When people talk about taking it up the ***, is that a reference to homosexuality or the rather brutal nature of anal sex. Especially when figuratively non-consensual.

I repeat, genuine.

I think those supporters meant the former, but when people say things like 'they should have used lube' - does that also apply??

I think its latter, being owned (submissive/the receiver) in the brutal nature of anal sex when used in a sporting context. Now the question is does it have rape connotations? in which case (IMO) that's far worse than a racial or homophobic slur.

 

[hitthepost]

Anyone notice that the "evidence" of the "Who do the white men think will win?" header from Channel 7 doesn't even show it?

 

[Desredandwhite]

Against all better judgement, I'll post a quick note in this thread. I'm well aware that logic and sense have no place here.

For the record, I was seated two seats up from Erin in M4. She is a friend and I can corroborate entirely her version of events as written. There may have been just a handful of Hawthorn yobbos at the start of the game, but by the 4th quarter, I can promise you that there were 30+ standing directly behind us - how did they get into a so-called Sydney allocated area? Beats me. That's a question for the MCG staff. Why would they want to stand there? I can only imagine that they deliberately wanted to stand behind the Sydney supporter area to get under our skins. I guess it worked.

Erin has written an opinion piece, nothing more. You or I are free to agree or disagree with that opinion (and I don't agree with 100% of her article), but it is certainly disappointing to see the comments online on the article and here as well that in a way just confirms her point. We laugh them off as "boys being boys" and "just something that happens at the footy", and certainly I've been guilty of that as well. But ARE those attitudes appropriate?

For what it's worth, it's not sour grapes that we lost. All of us, as well as any Swans supporter we've been commiserating with since Saturday have agreed that Hawthorn deserved the win, and completely dominated the win against our mob who were having their worst game in about 3 years. It's just a shame that a small minority of idiots spoiled the day for many of us, when so many Hawthorn supporters were just happy to enjoy their win in a gracious and classy way.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Against all better judgement, I'll post a quick note in this thread. I'm well aware that logic and sense have no place here.

For the record, I was seated two seats up from Erin in M4. She is a friend and I can corroborate entirely her version of events as written. There may have been just a handful of Hawthorn yobbos at the start of the game, but by the 4th quarter, I can promise you that there were 30+ standing directly behind us - how did they get into a so-called Sydney allocated area? Beats me. That's a question for the MCG staff. Why would they want to stand there? I can only imagine that they deliberately wanted to stand behind the Sydney supporter area to get under our skins. I guess it worked.

Erin has written an opinion piece, nothing more. You or I are free to agree or disagree with that opinion (and I don't agree with 100% of her article), but it is certainly disappointing to see the comments online on the article and here as well that in a way just confirms her point. We laugh them off as "boys being boys" and "just something that happens at the footy", and certainly I've been guilty of that as well. But ARE those attitudes appropriate?

For what it's worth, it's not sour grapes that we lost. All of us, as well as any Swans supporter we've been commiserating with since Saturday have agreed that Hawthorn deserved the win, and completely dominated the win against our mob who were having their worst game in about 3 years. It's just a shame that a small minority of idiots spoiled the day for many of us, when so many Hawthorn supporters were just happy to enjoy their win in a gracious and classy way.

Seeing as this is the second post corroborating the abuse part of the article, I have no problem with wanting to stamp this kind of stuff out, and if indeed security didn't do anything about it, they aren't doing their job. But I think, if anything, this makes the article even worse, managing to discredit a story that I think the majority would get behind.

 

[The_Reaper]

Against all better judgement, I'll post a quick note in this thread. I'm well aware that logic and sense have no place here.

For the record, I was seated two seats up from Erin in M4. She is a friend and I can corroborate entirely her version of events as written. There may have been just a handful of Hawthorn yobbos at the start of the game, but by the 4th quarter, I can promise you that there were 30+ standing directly behind us - how did they get into a so-called Sydney allocated area? Beats me. That's a question for the MCG staff. Why would they want to stand there? I can only imagine that they deliberately wanted to stand behind the Sydney supporter area to get under our skins. I guess it worked.

Erin has written an opinion piece, nothing more. You or I are free to agree or disagree with that opinion (and I don't agree with 100% of her article), but it is certainly disappointing to see the comments online on the article and here as well that in a way just confirms her point. We laugh them off as "boys being boys" and "just something that happens at the footy", and certainly I've been guilty of that as well. But ARE those attitudes appropriate?

For what it's worth, it's not sour grapes that we lost. All of us, as well as any Swans supporter we've been commiserating with since Saturday have agreed that Hawthorn deserved the win, and completely dominated the win against our mob who were having their worst game in about 3 years. It's just a shame that a small minority of idiots spoiled the day for many of us, when so many Hawthorn supporters were just happy to enjoy their win in a gracious and classy way.

Out of curiosity?
Why not send a text to report them?

Like what happened with the Footscray supporter a month or so back?

And what was wrong with the panel being all white?

 

[Air_Chester]

Against all better judgement, I'll post a quick note in this thread. I'm well aware that logic and sense have no place here.

For the record, I was seated two seats up from Erin in M4. She is a friend and I can corroborate entirely her version of events as written. There may have been just a handful of Hawthorn yobbos at the start of the game, but by the 4th quarter, I can promise you that there were 30+ standing directly behind us - how did they get into a so-called Sydney allocated area? Beats me. That's a question for the MCG staff. Why would they want to stand there? I can only imagine that they deliberately wanted to stand behind the Sydney supporter area to get under our skins. I guess it worked.

Erin has written an opinion piece, nothing more. You or I are free to agree or disagree with that opinion (and I don't agree with 100% of her article), but it is certainly disappointing to see the comments online on the article and here as well that in a way just confirms her point. We laugh them off as "boys being boys" and "just something that happens at the footy", and certainly I've been guilty of that as well. But ARE those attitudes appropriate?

For what it's worth, it's not sour grapes that we lost. All of us, as well as any Swans supporter we've been commiserating with since Saturday have agreed that Hawthorn deserved the win, and completely dominated the win against our mob who were having their worst game in about 3 years. It's just a shame that a small minority of idiots spoiled the day for many of us, when so many Hawthorn supporters were just happy to enjoy their win in a gracious and classy way.

I don't think anyone is doubting it happened, nor do I think anyone here WANTS abuse at the footy.

People are ragging on it because it's a piss poor hysterical article where she openly throws venom at Channel 7, Hawthorn fans, the AFL, and them dirty white men and blames them all as the cause of racism/sexism/homophobia.

If anything, the article should have been questioning of why MCG security didn't throw out an obvious small group of bogans. Instead, she tries to skewer everyone under the sun with misguided bullshit.

Doesn't help that she has a public Twitter that shows she has an incredible lack of integrity for a journalist.

 

[Dylan8]

Why on earth did she upload not one - but two selfies of her crying post-game. What the hell is the point? I don't understand this person.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Maybe this is just some website filler that doesn't get printed in the paper.

 

[Cmarsh]

Shout sexism while putting out some sly sexual objectification of men. Erm.

Yep, those white men aren't too bad after all hey Erin?

 

[Hodgepodge]

Anyone notice that the "evidence" of the "Who do the white men think will win?" header from Channel 7 doesn't even show it?

Matthew Richardson is orange.

 

[Matilda05]

Against all better judgement, I'll post a quick note in this thread. I'm well aware that logic and sense have no place here.

For the record, I was seated two seats up from Erin in M4. She is a friend and I can corroborate entirely her version of events as written. There may have been just a handful of Hawthorn yobbos at the start of the game, but by the 4th quarter, I can promise you that there were 30+ standing directly behind us - how did they get into a so-called Sydney allocated area? Beats me. That's a question for the MCG staff. Why would they want to stand there? I can only imagine that they deliberately wanted to stand behind the Sydney supporter area to get under our skins. I guess it worked.

Erin has written an opinion piece, nothing more. You or I are free to agree or disagree with that opinion (and I don't agree with 100% of her article), but it is certainly disappointing to see the comments online on the article and here as well that in a way just confirms her point. We laugh them off as "boys being boys" and "just something that happens at the footy", and certainly I've been guilty of that as well. But ARE those attitudes appropriate?

For what it's worth, it's not sour grapes that we lost. All of us, as well as any Swans supporter we've been commiserating with since Saturday have agreed that Hawthorn deserved the win, and completely dominated the win against our mob who were having their worst game in about 3 years. It's just a shame that a small minority of idiots spoiled the day for many of us, when so many Hawthorn supporters were just happy to enjoy their win in a gracious and classy way.

And that's fine, she is entitled to her opinion, but a) don't brand all Hawthorn supporters because of those Muppets, and b) the sexist argument looses some of it punch with some of the photo's she's posted on twitter. As previous posters have said, report these idiots at the time, so they realise what they've done is wrong, not rant about it on the internet after the horse has bolted.

 

[clogged]

Genuine question.

When people talk about taking it up the ***, is that a reference to homosexuality or the rather brutal nature of anal sex. Especially when figuratively non-consensual.

I repeat, genuine.

I think those supporters meant the former, but when people say things like 'they should have used lube' - does that also apply??

Sydney players may be into pegging. Which is a perfectly heterosexual form of intimacy.

The Romans looked down on receivers, I think the ditty was invented by them.

 

[thejester]

Genuine question.

When people talk about taking it up the ***, is that a reference to homosexuality or the rather brutal nature of anal sex. Especially when figuratively non-consensual.

I repeat, genuine.

I think those supporters meant the former, but when people say things like 'they should have used lube' - does that also apply??

Mate, are you serious? It's meant to be homophobic. Anyone who argues otherwise is disingenuous in the extreme.

 

[ThisIsJake]

If saying 'you kick like a girl' or something along those lines is considered sexist then political correctness in this country is out of control

If a guy were ever to get offended by a girl saying 'you had a boys look' while searching for something or anything else a bit stereotypical, we would be laughed off, and rightly so.

The sexism label is way out of control, it annoys me that I hear ridiculous claims of sexism everyday. I'm hoping hard that this is just a phase with out of control feminism and sanctimonious people everywhere, but i'm far from confident.

 

[Bardo State]

How many people have heard racist comments at the footy?

I have been going for 10 years probably 12 games a year on average and never heard a comment from any supporters

Actually overheard one for the first time on Saturday. Some old geezer making a comment on Rioli as he came up on screen to the person next to him. Also last year at an Essendon game I heard a fairly overtly homophobic remark, which the guys mates duly put him in his place for. 2 comments in all the years I've been to the football in all the thousands of people I've overheard. Not a bad strike rate.

 

[roosmad]

Matthew Richardson is orange.

The word is Richo is gay, does that help?

 

[Nankervis brothers]

Seriously? Nearly all of the above posts seem to be saying that the journalist is just making it up, as though Fairfax just publishes lies for shits and giggles.

Sure, no one really called Goodes a black dog. No Hawthorn fans really sang a homophobic song about Sydney players, etc, etc.

Well, I absolutely believe her. Here is low down: journalist reports of hearing racist and homophobic comments/chants at a GF. Suggests the AFL aren't taking racism and homophobia seriously enough. Big Footy, perfect representation of the AFL supporter base that it is, displays its racism and homophobia by attacking journalist as crazed liar.

Note: the issue here isn't about Hawthorn fans per se, its about actually taking the desire to stamp out racism and homophobia in the stands seriously. The treatment of Goodes by non-NSW supporter bases is appalling. He's not booed because he stages, but because he called out a young person for comparing him to a monkey (as he should have). And you only have to read some of the post in this thread to see how homophobic your general AFL fan is.

 

[Hodgepodge]

Note: the issue here isn't about Hawthorn fans per se, its about actually taking the desire to stamp out racism and homophobia in the stands seriously. The treatment of Goodes by non-NSW supporter bases is appalling. He's not booed because he stages, but because he called out a young person for comparing him to a monkey (as he should have). And you only have to read some of the post in this thread to see how homophobic your general AFL fan is.

Do you think a song about a certain group taking it up the arse is homophobic? I just think it's rowdy and slightly overzealous, but not homophobic. Am I wrong?

 

[saintsrfreak]

If saying 'you kick like a girl' or something along those lines is considered sexist then political correctness in this country is out of control

If a guy were ever to get offended by a girl saying 'you had a boys look' while searching for something or anything else a bit stereotypical, we would be laughed off, and rightly so.

The sexism label is way out of control, it annoys me that I hear ridiculous claims of sexism everyday. I'm hoping hard that this is just a phase with out of control feminism and sanctimonious people everywhere, but i'm far from confident.

No, sexism, racism and homophobia are still big problems in society. It's just ridiculous extremists like this woman that make people think those that believe we should constantly be improving in those areas are whiners only saying it to boost their own ego.

 

[Richard Pryor]

Seriously? Nearly all of the above posts seem to be saying that the journalist is just making it up, as though Fairfax just publishes lies for shits and giggles.

Sure, no one really called Goodes a black dog. No Hawthorn fans really sang a homophobic song about Sydney players, etc, etc.

Well, I absolutely believe her. Here is low down: journalist reports of hearing racist and homophobic comments/chants at a GF. Suggests the AFL aren't taking racism and homophobia seriously enough. Big Footy, perfect representation of the AFL supporter base that it is, displays its racism and homophobia by attacking journalist as crazed liar.

Note: the issue here isn't about Hawthorn fans per se, its about actually taking the desire to stamp out racism and homophobia in the stands seriously. The treatment of Goodes by non-NSW supporter bases is appalling. He's not booed because he stages, but because he called out a young person for comparing him to a monkey (as he should have). And you only have to read some of the post in this thread to see how homophobic your general AFL fan is.

I take the desire to stamp out racism and homophobia seriously. I don't take claiming five white faces and tips by white people being on screen as evidence of discrimination seriously. The over-the-top nature of this made me question the rest of the article (which I now admit, was mistaken).

Does anyone know what securities response actually was? They have a fairly good track record so far, but I guess you only really hear about successful followups.

 

[Richard Pryor]

No, sexism, racism and homophobia are still big problems in society. It's just ridiculous extremists like this woman that make people think those that believe we should constantly be improving in those areas are whiners only saying it to boost their own ego.

And this is the problem with extreme people of any type, they only serve to discredit their own values through association, and end up just annoying people, only really addressing those as extreme as themselves on the same, or equally opposing side. The "Nothing is racist" and "Everything is racist" groups feed off each other more than they do off anything based in reality, and often seem to trick people into thinking they are more influential or taken more seriously than they actually are.