Who is the best side in the comp on their day?

[The OBSTacle]

Who is the best team in the comp on their day? When everything is clicking and all the guns are firing which team is the best?


Collingwood - with their relentless kamakaze tackling & pressure game?

St Kilda - with their impossible to escape choke down method?

Carlton - Judd dominating with the mosquito fleet running riot and Waite & henderson clunking everything?

Geelong - with their lighting quick ball movement and take them on approach?

Hawks - with buddy, roughy, hodgey & cyril all running riot?

Bulldogs - with their ability to win the tough ball, break, spread and dominate?


Is their one particular team that is simply better than the rest when it is their day?

The team with the greatest depth of talent.

Last season, Geelong.

Next season, probably the Bulldogs or Hawthorn.

Why are Carlton in that list?

 

[PieBeast]

HAWKS, and by a fair way too, probably have 6 of the top 10 players in the comp.

Over the last two years , you've struggled to be the eighth best side in the comp, just sayin'.

 

[the distributer]

The suggestion was that the Hawks have 6 of the top 10. I was humbly suggesting more like 3, on their day.

Top 30 is a different debate.

Rioli wouldnt be one of them, shown no more than sidebottom IMO, super promising but that's all at this stage though.

 

[rose jam]

should this thread be retitled, who are the biggest downhill skiers when the opposition don't put up any resistance? Then I nominate bulldogs.

 

[Ricmel]

what if cloke clicks, pendles has a day out, swan has a day out, didak has a day out, daisy plays well?, stupid thread, the best team won the flag, simple.

It is assuming everyone is firing.

If Riewoldt and Kositchke are firing, in the big man department that outplays Cloke and Dawes firing. Defences are similar. Hayes, Goddard, Dal Santo and Montagna firing equals Pies midfield firing.

For me, all players firing and Saints win. That is not to say Pies are not the best team in the comp at the moment because they are.

Hawks similar. Franklin and Roughhead firing outguns every other team in the league.

 

[ringo200]

Rioli wouldnt be one of them, shown no more than sidebottom IMO, super promising but that's all at this stage though.

I quite like Sidebottom but that's a ridiculous statement IMO.

 

[Ricmel]

Rioli is a good, flashy, bursts of confidence type player, I'd have him at Collingwood, but to say he's one of the AFL's best 6 players is absolute lunacy.

Agree. At the moment, Rioli is in the Leon Davis camp. Does some freakish things and can turn it on for 20 minutes but needs to start doing it consistently and for a whole match. Nowhere near top 10 players at the moment. But could be if he gets going.

 

[September Action]

Given that the Hawks have 6 from the best 10, just who are the other lucky 4??

I mean obviously Ablett and Judd, Swan must be in there, Goddard of course, Hayes, Chapman, Selwood and Pendles....hmmmm there's a problem here...

 

[Amber Guzzler]

It's an interesting question.
Pies are best team in the comp at the moment.

But on their day...all things clicking...I think Saints and Hawks with Riewoldt, Kositchke, Franklin and Roughhead respectively firing would beat them.

I couldn't help but notice you named 4 forward line players there, which I thought strange, because when you play us, and everything's clicking for our side, the ball doesn't go into your forward line all that often.

 

[Copulator]

richmond

 

[Lockyer24]

henderson clunking everything?

Possible examples only please

 

[Ricmel]

I couldn't help but notice you named 4 forward line players there, which I thought strange, because when you play us, and everything's clicking for our side, the ball doesn't go into your forward line all that often.

Doesn't need to.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Given that the Hawks have 6 from the best 10, just who are the other lucky 4??

I mean obviously Ablett and Judd, Swan must be in there, Goddard of course, Hayes, Chapman, Selwood and Pendles....hmmmm there's a problem here...

You're just working this out now? I mean, you didn't notice this when Rioli was named at No 3?

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Doesn't need to.

Of course it does, because when it doesn't, and infact the reason it doesn't, is because it's trapped in out forwardline, where our guys, who are firing too, are kicking bags of goals.

 

[bw2011]

on there day ? every team would be unbeatable

 

[Ricmel]

Of course it does, because when it doesn't, and infact the reason it doesn't, is because it's trapped in out forwardline, where our guys, who are firing too, are kicking bags of goals.

When they are firing your guys kick bags of points. It's a hypothetical. I'd back Riewoldt and Kositchke at their best over Cloke and Dawes. I'd also back Franklin and Roughhead over Cloke and Dawes.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

When they are firing your guys kick bags of points. It's a hypothetical.

That's a bit of a double standard, don't you think? Considering we kicked 22% more goals than you did this year. At least when we kicked bags of points in important games it didn't cost us a flag.

I'd back Riewoldt and Kositchke at their best over Cloke and Dawes. I'd also back Franklin and Roughhead over Cloke and Dawes.

The question is, would you still do that when there are 15 other blokes around Cloke also having shots at goal, and they're 10 times as frequent as those by your own team. In fact, if we were truly firing on all 8 cylinders, the ball wouldn't leave our forward line at all. And we all know what happens to St Nick in those situations, don't we.
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[Peck]

The Western Bulldogs go alright when they hit their straps.

 

[Ricmel]

That's a bit of a double standard, don't you think? Considering we kicked 22% more goals than you did this year. At least when we kicked bags of points in important games it didn't cost us a flag.

It's not a double standard.

My theory is both sides, all players firing, it is going to be the forwards who decide it. At their best, I think our big forwards are better than your big forwards at their best.

 

[Knights 24]

You're just working this out now? I mean, you didn't notice this when Rioli was named at No 3?

Please learn to read. What i said was:

"I think Franklin, Hodge and Rioli on their day are three of the best"

Key words to notice:

"on their day"

"three of the best"

As you were.

 

[RooHooDoo]

By 6 of the top 10 you mean, 6 of the top 50 your are correct.

Hawthorn are a very strong team on there day everyone knows this but we have play no more then 2 or 4 of those standard games over the last 2 years.

In other words Hawthorn is just another ordinary team.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

It's not a double standard.

My theory is both sides, all players firing, it is going to be the forwards who decide it. At their best, I think our big forwards are better than your big forwards at their best.

And my theory is, when both sides are firing, we still get 10 shots at goal to your one.

 

[Ricmel]

And my theory is, when both sides are firing, we still get 10 shots at goal to your one.

Cool. so you think Pies would have 40 scoring shots and their closest competition last year would have 4. So something like 25.15 to 3.1.

I know who is more deluded.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Please learn to read. What i said was:

"I think Franklin, Hodge and Rioli on their day are three of the best"

Key words to notice:

"on their day"

"three of the best"

As you were.

So you named Franklin first, Hodge second and Rioli third (ie. at No 3). My point was that if you're naming Rioli third, then that pretty much limits you to 2 of the top 10 at the absolute most, doesn't it. And what exactly does that mean anyway, "Rioli on his day"? It's been that long since we've seen Rioli on his day, I'd be surprised if anyone can even remember what it looks like.

 

[Amber Guzzler]

Cool. so you think Pies would have 40 scoring shots and their closest competition last year would have 4. So something like 25.15 to 3.1.

I know who is more deluded.

So it seems either you're not playing the hypothetical game fairly, or you don't quite understand the way our forwardline works yet. Our forwardline's main objective isn't simply to kick goals. It's to stop the ball from leaving the forwardline. This in turn opens up an number of shots on goal. Some we kick, and some we don't. But it doesn't really matter, because when our forwardline is firing like a well oiled machine, it means that your forwardline forgets when the ball looks like in between goals.

Either you're not taking that into account because you don't understand it, or because the only way your team can beat mine in a hypothetical, is to compare you're team when they're firing with my team when they're not.