Who Should Be In The Hall Of Fame, and Who Should Be A Legend?

[footyfan1978]

If Kevin Bartlett is in Legend category I think Robert Flower should be too.
Best player in wing position I seen and from similar era.

 

[BF Tiger]

Unpopular opinion 1: Lou Richards is fortunate to be in the hall of fame and anyone who thinks he deserves to be a Legend is bonkers. Compare him to Bob Davis. Davis, a far superior player, a premiership coach and along with Richards and Jack Dyer one of the three pioneers of footballers in the media.

No-one (including me) is suggesting Davis should be a Legend, but if Richards is, you're putting him ahead of Davis, not due to his on field accomplishments and certainly not his coaching. You're putting him ahead based on a more prolific media career. It's an interesting precedent to be setting.

Unpopular opinion 2: Spud Frawley is a certainty to be inducted this year. If he's worthy now (not saying he isn't), he was worthy 10-15 years ago. People shouldn't be inducted based on guilt and you should try to avoid leaving it too late for a former player or coach to celebrate their induction. What's the rush to induct the Matty Scarletts of the world? Make it ten years after retirement until the pre 1996 backlog has been cleared a bit more.

Re: the backlog I think they need to go through all potential nominees pre-2000 and just make s decision on them. If they have been retired 20 years and we’re worthy as a player then honour them as such. If they were average players and 20 years have passed but they have not added to their CV significantly enough through coaching or the media then they are highly unlikely to do so going forward.

 

[Numero Uno]

Well WC currently have 5; Dean Kemp, Ross Glendinning, Glen Jakovich, Peter Matera, Guy McKenna. Rosco didn't get in for his WC contribution, though.

Going down the list of games played:

*Dom Sheed - first ballot legend*
Dean Cox - obvious yes
Darren Glass - obvious yes
Matt Priddis - I say no even though he won a Brownlow
Ben Cousins - will be another Carey/Ablett, in on performance but delayed a long time on character
David Wirrpanda - nope
Josh Kennedy - I say yes on the basis that David Neitz made it
Daniel Kerr - nope, absolute gun but 1 AA and no B&Fs
Mark LeCras - nope
Chris Lewis - nope
John Worsfold - I say yes but can see why others would say no, was a very good player without a lot of individual accolades.
Chris Mainwaring - nope, questions of character and not high enough peak as a player
Peter Sumich - nope, only 2 top seasons
Chris Judd - obvious yes, potential legend

Other than Judd I don't think anyone else has legend hallmarks. You could argue Cox is the GOAT ruckman with 6 AA selections but I don't think he was revolutionary, just very mobile and skilled for a big guy.

Worsfold will be in the HOF as soon as he is eligible...absolute monty

 

[Occidental]

Unpopular opinion 1: Lou Richards is fortunate to be in the hall of fame and anyone who thinks he deserves to be a Legend is bonkers. Compare him to Bob Davis. Davis, a far superior player, a premiership coach and along with Richards and Jack Dyer one of the three pioneers of footballers in the media.

No-one (including me) is suggesting Davis should be a Legend, but if Richards is, you're putting him ahead of Davis, not due to his on field accomplishments and certainly not his coaching. You're putting him ahead based on a more prolific media career. It's an interesting precedent to be setting.

Unpopular opinion 2: Spud Frawley is a certainty to be inducted this year. If he's worthy now (not saying he isn't), he was worthy 10-15 years ago. People shouldn't be inducted based on guilt and you should try to avoid leaving it too late for a former player or coach to celebrate their induction. What's the rush to induct the Matty Scarletts of the world? Make it ten years after retirement until the pre 1996 backlog has been cleared a bit more.

Bob Davis was a great player, no doubting that
But was he far superior to Lou Richards?

Davis 189 games 149 goals 47 career Brownlow votes
Richards 250 games 423 goals 54 career Brownlow votes even though for 5 seasons no votes awarded due to WW2.
Just because Richards had such a stella media career and often acted the clown, it doesn’t mean his terrific accomplishments as a player are lessened.
Lou Richards was a rover but managed over 400 goals when resting up forwards. Not a Legends quality player perhaps, but nevertheless he was a star.

 

[RUNVS]

I don't think being in the AFL media for a long time should count. I mean would anyone honestly be comfortable with Brian Taylor being a legend one day?

 

[Luv_our_club]

I don't think being in the AFL media for a long time should count. I mean would anyone honestly be comfortable with Brian Taylor being a legend one day?

Criteria for elevating an inductee to Legend status requires that only ‘playing and coaching’ records be taken into account and not a candidate’s overall contribution to the game outside of playing and coaching

The Legends category remains exclusively for recognition of the most significant playing and coaching records

 

[Scotland]

Worsfold will be in the HOF as soon as he is eligible...absolute monty

He's been eligible for nearly 20 years.

 

[Numero Uno]

He's been eligible for nearly 20 years.

nope

Players are eligible only after they have been retired from the game for at least three years. Coaches, umpires, administrators and media representatives are eligible only after retirement. The committee considers candidates from all parts of Australia and from all competitions within Australia.

He basically went into coaching straight after retiring from playing

 

[Hawk_francais]

All Australian, MVP, Coaches award, Hall of fame...

Doesn’t anybody else tire of these smoke-up-arse exercises? They all exist for no reason other than media coverage and advertising revenue. Let’s stop talking about them. Heaven knows you could already play two matches in the time it takes them to announce the Brownlow votes.

 

[Randall Stevens]

nope

Players are eligible only after they have been retired from the game for at least three years. Coaches, umpires, administrators and media representatives are eligible only after retirement. The committee considers candidates from all parts of Australia and from all competitions within Australia.

He basically went into coaching straight after retiring from playing

Ayres, Goodwin, Hird, Roos, Voss and Watson were all inducted into the HOF based on their playing records while active as senior coaches. The coaches retirement rule only applies to candidates inducted as coaches rather than players. On that basis, I am surprised that Worsfold isn’t in on his playing record alone.

 

[masai]

Ayres, Goodwin, Hird, Roos, Voss and Watson were all inducted into the HOF based on their playing records while active as senior coaches. The coaches retirement rule only applies to candidates inducted as coaches rather than players. On that basis, I am surprised that Worsfold isn’t in on his playing record alone.

Bickley is in, yep Woosha should already be in on that criteria alone.

 

[Engimal v3]

It all means **** all, every campaigner and their dog is in there. It's an embarrassment that they ****ed an easy concept up so badly.

 

[Numero Uno]

Ayres, Goodwin, Hird, Roos, Voss and Watson were all inducted into the HOF based on their playing records while active as senior coaches. The coaches retirement rule only applies to candidates inducted as coaches rather than players. On that basis, I am surprised that Worsfold isn’t in on his playing record alone.

there you go...

Hird lol

 

[Erick_the_Greatest]

There needs to be a rule eliminating candidates that played their careers in the minor leagues (anything besides VFL/AFL).

In other words, racking up accolades in a ‘big fish small pond’ scenario because u were too afraid to play in the big boy’s league

 

[Pykie]

People are underestimating the legend selection criteria factor, there’s plenty to still go in from earlier era’s as well as some SANFL and WAFL players.

I genuinely think only Ablett Jnr makes it as a legend in the next 50 years of inductions from the last 15 years, outside of Carey, Ablett Snr and Dunstall from the modern era.

I think the next likely would be Judd then Voss and maybe Goodes who’s CV looks great, but in reality I’d have a few ahead of him. Franklin is a shout, but there's better forwards like Dunstall and Ablett Snr who aren't legends yet. They've waited 25 years already.

They may all be in their 60’s or 70’s before they are in contention for legend status though.

Dustin Martin’s CV is stacking up as something that will be considered in the future from current players. 2 x flags, 2 x Norms and a Brownlow with footy left in him probably puts him up there with Goodes etc tbh.

 

[Numero Uno]

There needs to be a rule eliminating candidates that played their careers in the minor leagues (anything besides VFL/AFL).

In other words, racking up accolades in a ‘big fish small pond’ scenario because u were too afraid to play in the big boy’s league

Vic Bitter not just a crap beer
but a life choice for an entire state

 

[Erick_the_Greatest]

Vic Bitter not just a crap beer
but a life choice for an entire state

Swan Lager

Quite possibly the worst beer produced in modern history. Which is saying something given the dog piss produced out of Queensland, NSW, SA and the NT

 

[Pykie]

Also, retrospectively, they were a little too liberal in the initial induction in 1996.

Cazaly and Pratt retrospectively don't have the CV of the rest of the Legends and guys with far superior careers won't get close to legend status.

 

[footyfan1978]

Also, retrospectively, they were a little too liberal in the initial induction in 1996.

Cazaly and Pratt retrospectively don't have the CV of the rest of the Legends and guys with far superior careers won't get close to legend status.

Pratt had 150 goals in a season or something. That is Hall of Fame stuff, right there...

 

[screech]

Pratt had 150 goals in a season or something. That is Hall of Fame stuff, right there...

So did Rick Davies and he was overlooked for the Hall of Fame altogether until later

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[footyfan1978]

So did Rick Davies and he was overlooked for the Hall of Fame altogether until later

Lots of players get put in later.
Rick Davies played for Hawks when I was a kid. No 150 goal season there, I can tell you. Hudson did for Hawks though. Could have broken Pratt record but apparently choked on the day to overtake the milestone.

 

[Pykie]

Pratt had 150 goals in a season or something. That is Hall of Fame stuff, right there...

Of course it's hall of fame stuff.

But Bob Pratt was an inaugural legend in 1996.

He kicked 150 of his 658 goals in a single season and won 2 x Coleman's. It wasn't as if he brained the league in every one of his 10 seasons.

He's in reality the equivalent of someone like Josh Kennedy or Fev making legend status imo.

Look at Dunstall vs Pratt's records and tell me who should be one of only 4-5 legend status FF's.

At the moment the following have been elevated to Legend and are key forwards:

Tony Lockett
Royce Hart
Gordon Coventry
Bob Pratt
John Coleman
Peter Hudson

Then the following played for periods forward:

Leigh Matthews
Malcom Blight
Alex Jesaulanko
Roy Cazaly
Jack Dyer
Kevin Bartlett
Darryl Baldock


Looking at it, Ted Whitten is the only recognised defender (Even he moved forward and won 4 x Footscray leading goal kicking awards) as a legend. Big Nick was named in the BP in the AFL TOTC but he was more of a ruckman. Murray was named on the back flank in the AFL TOTC.


Personally think SOS and Doull should probably be considered along with Carey, Ablett Snr and Dunstall. There needs to be more defenders.

 

[Pykie]

Lots of players get put in later.
Rick Davies played for Hawks when I was a kid. No 150 goal season there, I can tell you. Hudson did for Hawks though. Could have broken Pratt record but apparently choked on the day to overtake the milestone.

It isn't "apparently" anything, it's one of the most famous TV clips in footy history,

He kicks into the man on the mark from about 15m out to break the record.

 

[footyfan1978]

Of course it's hall of fame stuff.

But Bob Pratt was an inaugural legend in 1996.

He kicked 150 of his 658 goals in a single season and won 3 x Coleman's. It wasn't as if he brained the league in every one of his 10 seasons.

He's in reality the equivalent of someone like Josh Kennedy or Fev making legend status imo.

Nah, not buying it. When Josh Kennedy or Fev kick 150 a season in the league, I am buying it,

 

[footyfan1978]

It isn't "apparently" anything

It is apparently. I was not there in real time to know if he was choking because of a milestone record or just grand final day itself, feeling pressure. So the context of apparently is according to others it was choking about breaking the goal kicking record. It could easily have been just game itself was tight and he choking his kicks due to that and not the 150 barrier... hence apparently....meaning... do not really know