Most would be/is a worthy hall of fame induction
None of them come close to the record of Haydn Bunton Sr, Ken Farmer or Russell Ebert
Who Should Be In The Hall Of Fame, and Who Should Be A Legend?
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Most would be/is a worthy hall of fame induction
None of them come close to the record of Haydn Bunton Sr, Ken Farmer or Russell Ebert
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Adam Goodes would clearly be ahead of all the bolded for me. Some of them aren't even close to him.
Alternate view on the whole Hall of Fame thing....
Who gives the slightest shit?
I mean of course people directly involved would care - but I've always wondered what relevance it has to the average fan?
What does it actually even mean?
I honestly just don't get it.
Who gives the slightest shit?
I mean of course people directly involved would care - but I've always wondered what relevance it has to the average fan?
What does it actually even mean?
I honestly just don't get it.
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i'd only have Voss, Ablett and Judd as Legends on the list, with the obvious addition of Goodes. Frankly thats probably too many. Maybe drop Voss and Judd if it is really exclusive.
Pretty on the money - Cox should be a ‘first ballot’ (should have been last year?) - surely in there this year.
I think Kennedy would be pretty close over the course of his career - popular in the east too, which obviously helps.
Priddis surely not, guy had a couple of outstanding seasons (his 2015 was better than the Brownlow year) - but he’s not what you’d call HoF status (although...The Bickley Bar suggests he could be a chance...).
Might come down to whether they actually consider Adam Cooney, Shane Woewodin, Tom Mitchell etc down the line.
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It really just comes down to player A vs player B.
If I was creating a HOF of players I've seen in my lifetime (i.e. no Peter Hudson or Gordon Coventry etc. who would be obvious ins) then a bunch of guys currently in wouldn't be. I remember being a bit surprised when Dean Kemp was selected. I mean he was a great player and in the WC team of the (part) century, but he's a midfielder who won one B&F, one Norm Smith, one AA jumper. In his era (1990-2001) where does he rank in his position? Top 10? 20? 50?
I've seen Neitz, Hall, Carey, Lockett, Dunstall, Brereton (end), Salmon, O'Loughlin, Lloyd, Richo, Tredrea, Grant, Kernahan, Ablett Sr who are all in as key forwards or close enough to it. Some of these guys played in the 80s also but I'm not going to include Bernie Quinlan, Ross Glendinning etc. because I didn't watch them and if I played the overlap game I'd end up in 1897. To me that seems like too many. I'd be more inclined to just pick the bolded, and then weigh up if there should be a 5th or 6th from that group. But that's just me. Others might choose all those guys plus more.
But, I'm not creating a HOF from scratch. If Neitz/O'Loughlin are in as forwards, Bickley is in as a mid etc. then you look at someone like Josh Kennedy and think 'why not?'.
If I was creating a HOF of players I've seen in my lifetime (i.e. no Peter Hudson or Gordon Coventry etc. who would be obvious ins) then a bunch of guys currently in wouldn't be. I remember being a bit surprised when Dean Kemp was selected. I mean he was a great player and in the WC team of the (part) century, but he's a midfielder who won one B&F, one Norm Smith, one AA jumper. In his era (1990-2001) where does he rank in his position? Top 10? 20? 50?
I've seen Neitz, Hall, Carey, Lockett, Dunstall, Brereton (end), Salmon, O'Loughlin, Lloyd, Richo, Tredrea, Grant, Kernahan, Ablett Sr who are all in as key forwards or close enough to it. Some of these guys played in the 80s also but I'm not going to include Bernie Quinlan, Ross Glendinning etc. because I didn't watch them and if I played the overlap game I'd end up in 1897. To me that seems like too many. I'd be more inclined to just pick the bolded, and then weigh up if there should be a 5th or 6th from that group. But that's just me. Others might choose all those guys plus more.
But, I'm not creating a HOF from scratch. If Neitz/O'Loughlin are in as forwards, Bickley is in as a mid etc. then you look at someone like Josh Kennedy and think 'why not?'.
Mark Bickley's one of those that makes the whole thing ridiculous. No AAs or B&Fs.
Couldn't agree more, and I go for the Crows. Yet Andrew McLeod is not as yet. Go figure.
Are you talking about Royce Hart? Wasn't that good....really? Acknowledged by a large contingent of past players and media as the 2nd best CHF behind Carey and he's not that good. Fair enough.
Sorry, correct you are.
My point still stands about others about there being others at the Crows, and SANFL greats who should be in ahead of Bickley.
What justification would there be for Worsfold not being there. Was a very underrated player. Rarely beaten. Also a premiership coach and state captain. If Mark Bickley is in, then so is Woosha.
Can't argue with the rest. If Sumich gets in, so should Modra, who, like Sumich really only had 2 top seasons, and was robbed of playing in a flag.
Think Judd would be in legend discussion if he stayed at West Coast. But on what he produced over his career, don't think he is a legend.
Again if he was so good he would have polled more brownlow votes, got more kicks, kicked more goals. There are plenty of players at his level who aren't Legend. He is a solid HOF he isn't a Legend.
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Get more kicks? despite averaging more kicks over his career than Ablett, Lockett, Dunstall and Carey, more possessions than Ablett, Lockett and Dunstall too, and just slightly less than Carey
He would certainly have been in legend discussion I believe if he stayed at West Coast and continued to reproduced the form he had shown from 2004 onwards. Not sure this is a popular opinion though.
Seems to have a bee in his bonnet about Royce for some reason. Not old enough to have seen him play, but am happy to go along with what most that did see him play say.
I watched a fair bit of football late 60's to mid 70's when Hart was in his prime. Super player, who frequently turned games around. Used to float across the pack and take freakish marks and kick crucial goals. Not a lot of him build wise, but very courageous and took plenty of heavy knocks, which probably helped to curtail his career at around 190 games. Very mobile and more than handy at ground level as well. Used to rise to the occasion in big matches. Always played well against the Pies. Couldn't kick on his right foot, although he didn't really need to. He was a very, very good player, but I don't think he's quite a legend though.
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How often have you seen Buddy kick on his right?
The best players rarely need to kick on there non-preferred
Would you say Royce is Legend worthy?
I edited my post after you posted. No, not quite as far as legend status goes, although a super player. I agree, it's not absolutely necessary to be able to kick both feet.
Have now noticed that the edit.
If you don't mind my asking, one guy I have always thought should be in the hall of fame is a guy by the name of Michael Taylor. Was a 2 time premiership player and 6 time best and fairest at Norwood. Didn't see him play at Collingwood though, but did play the best part of 100 games there, as well as over 250 at Norwood. As you are a pies supporter, and at the risk of being rude, of a generation to have seen him play at Collingwood, what did you think of him as a player, and do you think he would be a worthy nomination. Was also on the coaching staff when the Crows first entered the AFL.
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Michael Taylor played 4 years at the Pies. A really good footballer and importantly an excellent Finals player.
He picked up 27 possessions in the 81 Grand Final.
A utility, back pocket, back flank, on baller. Not quick, but a great reader of the play. One on one he was rarely beaten & overall a very consistent player. In each of his 4 season he gathered over 430 disposals.
Did his career no harm with his efforts at Collingwood.
Always thought that was the case. His efforts at Collingwood would probably strengthen his case for admission, as opposed to others from the SANFL.
Was interested how he was thought of across the border, that is all. Played 359 games in total.
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Unpopular opinion 1: Lou Richards is fortunate to be in the hall of fame and anyone who thinks he deserves to be a Legend is bonkers. Compare him to Bob Davis. Davis, a far superior player, a premiership coach and along with Richards and Jack Dyer one of the three pioneers of footballers in the media.
No-one (including me) is suggesting Davis should be a Legend, but if Richards is, you're putting him ahead of Davis, not due to his on field accomplishments and certainly not his coaching. You're putting him ahead based on a more prolific media career. It's an interesting precedent to be setting.
Unpopular opinion 2: Spud Frawley is a certainty to be inducted this year. If he's worthy now (not saying he isn't), he was worthy 10-15 years ago. People shouldn't be inducted based on guilt and you should try to avoid leaving it too late for a former player or coach to celebrate their induction. What's the rush to induct the Matty Scarletts of the world? Make it ten years after retirement until the pre 1996 backlog has been cleared a bit more.
No-one (including me) is suggesting Davis should be a Legend, but if Richards is, you're putting him ahead of Davis, not due to his on field accomplishments and certainly not his coaching. You're putting him ahead based on a more prolific media career. It's an interesting precedent to be setting.
Unpopular opinion 2: Spud Frawley is a certainty to be inducted this year. If he's worthy now (not saying he isn't), he was worthy 10-15 years ago. People shouldn't be inducted based on guilt and you should try to avoid leaving it too late for a former player or coach to celebrate their induction. What's the rush to induct the Matty Scarletts of the world? Make it ten years after retirement until the pre 1996 backlog has been cleared a bit more.
