Coach Who should be our next coach?

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15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney (GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis
7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon, Brendon Lade, Adem Yze interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9
 
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Runk said:
Huh?
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Does anyone think the guy who is head of footy operations at the AFL, who has resisted confirming interst to this point, and he has, because the details of the interview have not been leaked, when they should have been to avoid this very issue, is going to poke his head out only to lose a highly publicised job to a guy who can barely string a sentence together and a former club great when there is already a suspicion that the fix is in for said club great.

We know that coaches put us on a black list following a sham which resulted in the appointment of Thompson and/or Worsfold. We are being told there is no shortage of potential great future coaches who will not interview for the role because of the politics.

And yet here is Scott, the one candidate who he no reason to expose himself to this.
 
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BrunoV said:
Does anyone think the guy who is head of footy operations at the AFL, who has resisted confirming interst to this point, and he has, because the details of the interview have not been leaked, when they should have been to avoid this very issue, is going to poke his head out only to lose a highly publicised job to a guy who can barely string a sentence together and a former club great when there is already a suspicion that the fix is in for said club great.

We know that coaches put us on a black list following a sham which resulted in the appointment of Thompson and/or Worsfold. We are being told there is no shortage of potential great future coaches who will not interview for the role because of the politics.

And yet here is Scott, the one candidate who he no reason to expose himself to this.
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i think its a fair point and have no idea why it was greeted with contempt (other than its directed at the poster). I mean its the exact reason why Lyon didn't put himself fwd imo - the shame/embarrassment of missing the role (or going thru a process with plebs) would kill his allure as the always next in line guy who has more in the tank.
 

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BrunoV said:
Does anyone think the guy who is head of footy operations at the AFL, who has resisted confirming interst to this point, and he has, because the details of the interview have not been leaked, when they should have been to avoid this very issue, is going to poke his head out only to lose a highly publicised job to a guy who can barely string a sentence together and a former club great when there is already a suspicion that the fix is in for said club great.

We know that coaches put us on a black list following a sham which resulted in the appointment of Thompson and/or Worsfold. We are being told there is no shortage of potential great future coaches who will not interview for the role because of the politics.

And yet here is Scott, the one candidate who he no reason to expose himself to this.
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I believe Scott is hot favourite to get the job now. But, call me naive, if he doesn’t present a compelling vision to the panel I don’t think he gets the gig.
 
BrunoV said:
Does anyone think the guy who is head of footy operations at the AFL, who has resisted confirming interst to this point, and he has, because the details of the interview have not been leaked, when they should have been to avoid this very issue, is going to poke his head out only to lose a highly publicised job to a guy who can barely string a sentence together and a former club great when there is already a suspicion that the fix is in for said club great.

We know that coaches put us on a black list following a sham which resulted in the appointment of Thompson and/or Worsfold. We are being told there is no shortage of potential greatest who will not interview for the role because of the politics.

And yet here is Scott, the one candidate who he no reason to expose himself to this.
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While I never rule out it being fixed, it is Essendon after all, it doesn't seem like Scott will lose his position at the AFL if not successful.

He seems like someone who likes things being done properly judging how he was at North and how he behaved when stepping down. I don't think the prospect of not being successful would phase him if he really liked the chance to coach at Essendon.

He has an excellent chance of being successful without a fix.

What I do note is that your argument here is extremely similar to those thinking Hird will get the job and it was all fixed when the club asked him to apply. You were at great pains to say that Hird has plenty to win the job on merit (which I agree with) and that it doesn't mean it was fixed.

Personally I see this as the same, except with Scott. He wants to coach again, he will back himself on merit and based on merit you'd think he's probably favourite to win the position. If not successful, he goes back to the job he already has. I don't see him as someone with the ego of Lyon or Clarkson personally that thinks he doesn't have to go through a legitimate process.
 
Scott will interview Essendon as much as the other way round. He may not want the job depending on the answers we provide. An interview should always be a 2 way street.

Better to do it that way than take the job then realise things are boned after 2 weeks when you could've uncovered it by asking a few questions.
 
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Mr Mojo Risin said:
While I never rule out it being fixed, it is Essendon after all, it doesn't seem like Scott will lose his position at the AFL if not successful.

He seems like someone who likes things being done properly judging how he was at North and how he behaved when stepping down. I don't think the prospect of not being successful would phase him if he really liked the chance to coach at Essendon.

He has an excellent chance of being successful without a fix.

What I do note is that your argument here is extremely similar to those thinking Hird will get the job and it was all fixed when the club asked him to apply. You were at great pains to say that Hird has plenty to win the job on merit (which I agree with) and that it doesn't mean it was fixed.

Personally I see this as the same, except with Scott. He wants to coach again, he will back himself on merit and based on merit you'd think he's probably favourite to win the position. If not successful, he goes back to the job he already has. I don't see him as someone with the ego of Lyon or Clarkson personally that thinks he doesn't have to go through a legitimate process.
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Yep, all fair but the timing is off for me.

There was never a reason for the endless speculation to be left to fester the way it has.

The whole point of the process is to add legitimacy to the appointment and the thing has been a circus of speculation. Clearly there have been leaks.

What would be the point of it playing out this way unless Scott has been genuinely unsure until now? What caused that to change and why is anyone convinced about him unless he has demanded the job the whole time?

The difference with Hird is that he applied and subjected himself to the whole thing.

Scott has some impressive feats under his belt but they took a long time. The list then crumbled. Not all his responsibility but he's certainly a factor. He's hardly a coaching doyen. And now he's the one that blows this whole thing apart tomorrow, to be appointed Friday?

Hird presents like a guy who should be going for a job as CEO of a big 4 bank. That's why I have such faith in his ability as part of the process. Scott is still just a footy person.

We could definitely do worse than Scott. Whether I think the process appointed him will come down to when the appointment is made. That can't be Friday. I dont see how you could query whether the process appointed Yze.

Edit: the process can't have appointed Scott until the third round of interviews is complete. When does Yze get r3 or are we not doing that anymore.
 
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BrunoV said:
Yep, all fair but the timing is off for me.

There was never a reason for the endless speculation to be left to fester the way it has.

The whole point of the process is to add legitimacy to the appointment and the thing has been a circus of speculation. Clearly there have been leaks.

What would be the point of it playing out this way unless Scott has been genuinely unsure until now? What caused that to change and why is anyone convinced about him unless he has demanded the job the whole time?

The difference with Hird is that he applied and subjected himself to the whole thing.

Scott has some impressive feats under his belt but they took a long time. The list then crumbled. Not all his responsibility but he's certainly a factor. He's hardly a coaching doyen. And now he's the one that blows this whole thing apart tomorrow, based on an interview tomorrow to be appointed Friday?

Hird presents like a guy who should be going for a job as CEO of a big 4 bank. That's why I have such faith in his ability as part of the process. Scott is still just a footy person.

We could definitely do worse than Scott. Whether I think the process appointed him will come down to when the appointment is made that can't be Friday. I dont see how you could query whether the process appointed Yze.
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I think you answer your own question in some ways. Scott is not a coaching doyen. I doubt he views himself that way, so why would he presume to only be interviewed if it was a foregone conclusion?

Look at the way he handled his exit at North. He wasn't sacked, but went to the CEO and board to discuss what was best for the club and offered to fall on his sword. You could suggest he read the room and thought that looked better, but I honestly don't think so.

He is someone who believes in doing right by his current employer, he prides himself on that professionalism.

Which goes to the delay in him joining the process:
a) he has to oversee the operations of the AFL until the men's season was complete; AND
b) he isn't skipping any part of the Essendon process by waiting. He was always going to skip the first round if applying.

Sometimes it is as simple as having one job and being contacted about another job with a tempting offer you have to think over. Then, acting professionally by only applying with transparency without screwing over your existing employer and balancing that with timing it not to put off your prospective employer.
 

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TheGrizz said:
Didn't they say that we wanted a coach in place by the end of the week?

If we are interviewing him tomorrow, that's like a 24-48 hour turnaround.
Hmmmmmm.....yes, proper process.
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That does concern me a little and why I have until now though Yze would get the job, but who knows whats going on behind the scenes. Maybe this will delay it, maybe they already have some casual details from Scott.
 
BrunoV said:
Yep, all fair but the timing is off for me.

There was never a reason for the endless speculation to be left to fester the way it has.

The whole point of the process is to add legitimacy to the appointment and the thing has been a circus of speculation. Clearly there have been leaks.

What would be the point of it playing out this way unless Scott has been genuinely unsure until now? What caused that to change and why is anyone convinced about him unless he has demanded the job the whole time?

The difference with Hird is that he applied and subjected himself to the whole thing.

Scott has some impressive feats under his belt but they took a long time. The list then crumbled. Not all his responsibility but he's certainly a factor. He's hardly a coaching doyen. And now he's the one that blows this whole thing apart tomorrow, to be appointed Friday?

Hird presents like a guy who should be going for a job as CEO of a big 4 bank. That's why I have such faith in his ability as part of the process. Scott is still just a footy person.

We could definitely do worse than Scott. Whether I think the process appointed him will come down to when the appointment is made. That can't be Friday. I dont see how you could query whether the process appointed Yze.
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It’s been reported that we have been in conversations with Scott for the past month. It’s been discussed that Scort wanted to finish up at AFL after GF. It’s also been reported that we wouldn’t subject the more experienced contenders such as Pyke and Cameron to first round of interviews.

As for Hird presenting like a guy going for a CEO for a big bank, not sure why he’s anymore impressive than Scott or a lot of other coaches.
 
BrunoV said:
Yep, all fair but the timing is off for me.

There was never a reason for the endless speculation to be left to fester the way it has.

The whole point of the process is to add legitimacy to the appointment and the thing has been a circus of speculation. Clearly there have been leaks.

What would be the point of it playing out this way unless Scott has been genuinely unsure until now? What caused that to change and why is anyone convinced about him unless he has demanded the job the whole time?

The difference with Hird is that he applied and subjected himself to the whole thing.

Scott has some impressive feats under his belt but they took a long time. The list then crumbled. Not all his responsibility but he's certainly a factor. He's hardly a coaching doyen. And now he's the one that blows this whole thing apart tomorrow, to be appointed Friday?

Hird presents like a guy who should be going for a job as CEO of a big 4 bank. That's why I have such faith in his ability as part of the process. Scott is still just a footy person.

We could definitely do worse than Scott. Whether I think the process appointed him will come down to when the appointment is made. That can't be Friday. I dont see how you could query whether the process appointed Yze.

Edit: the process can't have appointed Scott until the third round of interviews is complete. When does Yze get r3 or are we not doing that anymore.
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No.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Sounds good, he can then hire himself as coach too.
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He really does have the resume to get it. I can certainly understand the reluctance, he’ll become the boss of the person who defeated him for the coaching gig. Plus teh drugz
 
BrunoV said:
Does anyone think the guy who is head of footy operations at the AFL, who has resisted confirming interst to this point, and he has, because the details of the interview have not been leaked, when they should have been to avoid this very issue, is going to poke his head out only to lose a highly publicised job to a guy who can barely string a sentence together and a former club great when there is already a suspicion that the fix is in for said club great.

We know that coaches put us on a black list following a sham which resulted in the appointment of Thompson and/or Worsfold. We are being told there is no shortage of potential great future coaches who will not interview for the role because of the politics.

And yet here is Scott, the one candidate who he no reason to expose himself to this.
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I would think Brad, being a very proud person, would enjoy an opportunity to ask questions of this club. I'm not sure he'd do it simply knowing he was a sure thing.

Anyhoo, please know there was no offence meant in my 'Huh?', it's all conjecture really, BUT if he does get the job all the power in the world to him. Appreciate your reply as always.
 
TheGrizz said:
Didn't they say that we wanted a coach in place by the end of the week?

If we are interviewing him tomorrow, that's like a 24-48 hour turnaround.
Hmmmmmm.....yes, proper process.
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I think this is the main thing for me.

At least give themselves the weekend to think about it, they can unveil him at the Crichton on Monday instead.
 
TheGrizz said:
Didn't they say that we wanted a coach in place by the end of the week?

If we are interviewing him tomorrow, that's like a 24-48 hour turnaround.
Hmmmmmm.....yes, proper process.
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