Coach Who should be our next coach?

[Lore]

Spoiler: Timeline and reported candidates

15/8 Board toppled (reportedly will pursue Clarkson)
19/8 Alastair Clarkson to join North
21/8 Ben Rutten

Ben Rutten

Age

41

Ht

190cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.4

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.3

3star

No current season stats available

D

10.6

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

4.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.0

3star

sacked
22/8 Coach selection sub-committee to be established to find a replacement
26/8 Committee members announced: Josh Mahoney

Josh Mahoney

Age

47

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.5

3star

M

3.5

4star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

9.2

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.4

3star

(GM-Footy, chair), Dorothy Hisgrove (Board member), Andrew Thorburn, Simone McKinnis, Robert Walls, Jordan Lewis

Jordan Lewis

Age

38

Ht

186cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.1

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.7

4star

MG

310.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

15.0

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

8.2

5star

M

4.8

5star

T

2.8

5star

7/9 James Hird, Dean Solomon

Dean Solomon

Age

44

Ht

189cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.8

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

5.5

4star

M

3.9

4star

T

3.7

5star

No current season stats available

D

17.6

5star

K

13.4

5star

HB

4.2

4star

M

6.2

5star

T

2.8

5star

, Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

48

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

, Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

47

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

interviewed at EY
13/9 Daniel Giansiracusa

Daniel Giansiracusa

Age

42

Ht

182cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.6

4star

K

11.0

4star

HB

6.6

4star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

No current season stats available

D

10.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

2.8

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

2.0

4star

G

1.0

4star

reportedly interviewed
17/9 Don Pyke “not pursuing that at this stage”
21/9 Brad Scott contacted by the club but won’t make a decision on whether to pursue the role until after the Grand Final
21/9 Adem Yze

Adem Yze

Age

47

Ht

187cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.2

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

5.2

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

1.8

2star

M

0.6

1star

T

0.6

3star

has second interview and tours the training facilities at Tullamarine
22/9 Blake Caracella

Blake Caracella

Age

47

Ht

186cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

10.1

4star

HB

6.4

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

1.4

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.2

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.4

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.6

3star

will put his hat in the ring
27/9 Brendon Lade

Brendon Lade

Age

48

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

4.0

3star

HO

15.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.4

4star

HO

9.6

5star

appointed as assistant coach at the Western Bulldogs, out of the running for Essendon job
28/9 Brad Scott to be interviewed on Thursday
29/9

 

[DonsRule]

Who's they?

I think Lewis said on AFL360 that was what they were working towards when asked by Robbo iirc.

Tim Watson also said this morning he was expecting by the end of the week.

 

[Howard Moon]

Bomber on the frozen coke always had a few 360 pearls ..

"Thompson believes Scott's results during his time at the club throw into question whether he is the right man to take the club forward.

"I don’t know whether they should or not, because he’s done an average job at an average club,”

Mark Thompson slams Brad Scott - 'He's done an average job at an average club' | Sporting News Australia

Former Geelong and Essendon coach Mark Thompson has criticised the credentials of North Melbourne coach Brad Scott and questioned why the club is keen to give him a new deal.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[Pweter]

Who's they?

I ask my wife this all the time when she's trying to press a point.

They = Facebook

 

[bomberman500]

Bomber on the frozen coke always had a few 360 pearls ..

"Thompson believes Scott's results during his time at the club throw into question whether he is the right man to take the club forward.

"I don’t know whether they should or not, because he’s done an average job at an average club,”

Mark Thompson slams Brad Scott - 'He's done an average job at an average club' | Sporting News Australia

Former Geelong and Essendon coach Mark Thompson has criticised the credentials of North Melbourne coach Brad Scott and questioned why the club is keen to give him a new deal.

www.sportingnews.com

Brad Scott is the safe choice.

I've never rated him, but surviving as long as he did in such a cut-throat industry is note worthy.

He probably has the skill-set to get us that elusive finals win, but not much more

 

[Howard Moon]

Brad Scott is the safe choice.

I've never rated him, but surviving as long as he did in such a cut-throat industry is note worthy.

He probably has the skill-set to get us that elusive finals win, but not much more

I dunno, it feels like such a no win position with the 3 options

It's like we have been sentenced to death and they have given us the choice of firing squad, lethal injection or the chair.

 

[bomberman500]

I dunno, it feels like such a no win position with the 3 options

It's like we have been sentenced to death and they have given us the choice of firing squad, lethal injection or the chair.

I hear Clarko might be available soon

 

[boncer34]

I dunno, it feels like such a no win position with the 3 options

It's like we have been sentenced to death and they have given us the choice of firing squad, lethal injection or the chair.

As long as you're keeping an open mind Howie

 

[fairbump_playon]

I dunno, it feels like such a no win position with the 3 options

It's like we have been sentenced to death and they have given us the choice of firing squad, lethal injection or the chair.

Nice. Scott is the firing squad. Hird is the electric chair.

Though I'd say Yze is more a case of bored to death rather than lethal injection...

 

[Wahooti Fandango]

There's gonna be a fair few players on our list that will be bound to cop the first proper spray of their career if we hire Scott.

Brad at the first training session...

 

[Lore]

Brad Scott is the safe choice.

I've never rated him, but surviving as long as he did in such a cut-throat industry is note worthy.

He probably has the skill-set to get us that elusive finals win, but not much more

I think that's the crux of it.

No recycled coach has won a grand final for like 15-20 years, and we've tried recycled coaches before with Worsfold, and seen it done elsewhere. Having the fire in the belly and an understanding of the modern game are kinda crucial, so it would seem. That's a vote for Yze/Hird.

But on the other hand, there are plenty of first time coaches that get chewed up and spat out without ever achieving much. If Scott is passionate about it then there's a good chance you win a final and get that monkey off your back. So that's a vote for Scott.

So you kind of have an interplay of risk and reward there.


But then you have the question of who has some remote understanding of how a coach should function within a professional football department, and can help reshape this club for the 21st century (the one we entered 20 years ago and still don't seem ready for).

I feel like at this stage that's more important, because no success will come from a rabble where everyone is trying to do different things, pulling in different directions and muddying the water in the process.


I guess if you're looking at it as a short-term appointment, someone who can work with the new CEO to get the club on track, win that final and get us some clear air, then I think it has to be Scott.

But if the club is in a great position and wants a long term coach to take us to the promised land, then you can flip a coin between Yze, who is preeminently qualified for the job, and Hird, whose reputation precedes him (good and bad).


The middle way of course is the noob coach working with the other coaches to develop a game plan and implement it with the players while the experienced senior person ensures things are going in the right direction more broadly

i.e., scouts, strategists, list managers, player welfare, nutrition, injuries, physio & recovery, etc., their professional development, how they work together and when, making sure they're not being injected with potentially performance enhancing substances, not coercing them to move away from their support networks and abort their pregnancies, and so on. You'd think that was the GM-Footy's job, but I guess they have five teams to worry about these days so maybe that's why it becomes an area for consideration.

 

[Maddogm]

No recycled coach has won a grand final for like 15-20 years,

12 (Malthouse)

 

[Lore]

12 (Malthouse)

Might've been one in 20 years, there was a statistic floating around the other day

 

[Maddogm]

Might've been one in 20 years, there was a statistic floating around the other day

20 years gets us to the Middle of Matthews 3peat at Brisbane

 

[boncer34]

I think that's the crux of it.

No recycled coach has won a grand final for like 15-20 years, and we've tried recycled coaches before with Worsfold, and seen it done elsewhere. Having the fire in the belly and an understanding of the modern game are kinda crucial, so it would seem. That's a vote for Yze/Hird.

But on the other hand, there are plenty of first time coaches that get chewed up and spat out without ever achieving much. If Scott is passionate about it then there's a good chance you win a final and get that monkey off your back. So that's a vote for Scott.

So you kind of have an interplay of risk and reward there.


But then you have the question of who has some remote understanding of how a coach should function within a professional football department, and can help reshape this club for the 21st century (the one we entered 20 years ago and still don't seem ready for).

I feel like at this stage that's more important, because no success will come from a rabble where everyone is trying to do different things, pulling in different directions and muddying the water in the process.


I guess if you're looking at it as a short-term appointment, someone who can work with the new CEO to get the club on track, win that final and get us some clear air, then I think it has to be Scott.

But if the club is in a great position and wants a long term coach to take us to the promised land, then you can flip a coin between Yze, who is preeminently qualified for the job, and Hird, whose reputation precedes him (good and bad).


The middle way of course is the noob coach working with the other coaches to develop a game plan and implement it with the players while the experienced senior person ensures things are going in the right direction more broadly

i.e., scouts, strategists, list managers, player welfare, nutrition, injuries, physio & recovery, etc., their professional development, how they work together and when, making sure they're not being injected with potentially performance enhancing substances, not coercing them to move away from their support networks and abort their pregnancies, and so on. You'd think that was the GM-Footy's job, but I guess they have five teams to worry about these days so maybe that's why it becomes an area for consideration.

Hird is a recycled coach.

 

[MiguelM]

There's gonna be a fair few players on our list that will be bound to cop the first proper spray of their career if we hire Scott.

Heppell might not be guaranteed a game in the seniors every week under Scott.

 

[Lore]

Hird is a recycled coach.

I nearly left him off altogether but figured I was going to cop it one way or the other.

Is it recycled or just reduce and reuse?

 

[boncer34]

I nearly left him off altogether but figured I was going to cop it one way or the other.

Is it recycled or just reduce and reuse?

I can't see how anyone could argue giving Scott a 2nd chance is using a recycled coach and not apply that logic to Hird without massive caveats.

 

[dank420_]

I can't see how anyone could argue giving Scott a 2nd chance is using a recycled coach and not apply that logic to Hird without massive caveats.

One is a silly football person and one is a big bank CEO!!!!!!!

 

[Jack Richards]

I dunno, it feels like such a no win position with the 3 options

It's like we have been sentenced to death and they have given us the choice of firing squad, lethal injection or the chair.

Go the lethal injection....

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Go the lethal injection....

 

[bomberman500]

Can we add another option to the poll

- Coaching Succession Plan

 

[ant555]

Yep, all fair but the timing is off for me.

There was never a reason for the endless speculation to be left to fester the way it has.

The whole point of the process is to add legitimacy to the appointment and the thing has been a circus of speculation. Clearly there have been leaks.

What would be the point of it playing out this way unless Scott has been genuinely unsure until now? What caused that to change and why is anyone convinced about him unless he has demanded the job the whole time?

The difference with Hird is that he applied and subjected himself to the whole thing.

Scott has some impressive feats under his belt but they took a long time. The list then crumbled. Not all his responsibility but he's certainly a factor. He's hardly a coaching doyen. And now he's the one that blows this whole thing apart tomorrow, to be appointed Friday?

Hird presents like a guy who should be going for a job as CEO of a big 4 bank. That's why I have such faith in his ability as part of the process. Scott is still just a footy person.

We could definitely do worse than Scott. Whether I think the process appointed him will come down to when the appointment is made. That can't be Friday. I dont see how you could query whether the process appointed Yze.

Edit: the process can't have appointed Scott until the third round of interviews is complete. When does Yze get r3 or are we not doing that anymore.

Has the panel leaked ? I have seen no evidence of leaks from the selection panel. To be honest it has gone pretty much like any other process has. There was plenty of media speculation about GWS . In the end the media did not have the Kingsley as a candidate until late.
There has been a lot of speculation and the club has not been shy saying which people they would like to interview on top of those who have applied.

Not a fan of Scott myself but I think him taking his time is more about being 100% sure he wants to do it rather than being someone who is a bit half arsed about it.

 

[frodos gardener]

Yep, all fair but the timing is off for me.

There was never a reason for the endless speculation to be left to fester the way it has.

The whole point of the process is to add legitimacy to the appointment and the thing has been a circus of speculation. Clearly there have been leaks.

What would be the point of it playing out this way unless Scott has been genuinely unsure until now? What caused that to change and why is anyone convinced about him unless he has demanded the job the whole time?

The difference with Hird is that he applied and subjected himself to the whole thing.

Scott has some impressive feats under his belt but they took a long time. The list then crumbled. Not all his responsibility but he's certainly a factor. He's hardly a coaching doyen. And now he's the one that blows this whole thing apart tomorrow, to be appointed Friday?

Hird presents like a guy who should be going for a job as CEO of a big 4 bank. That's why I have such faith in his ability as part of the process. Scott is still just a footy person.

We could definitely do worse than Scott. Whether I think the process appointed him will come down to when the appointment is made. That can't be Friday. I dont see how you could query whether the process appointed Yze.

Edit: the process can't have appointed Scott until the third round of interviews is complete. When does Yze get r3 or are we not doing that anymore.

There’s nothing wrong with being really invested in the outcome, as you clearly are. Not everything is a conspiracy though. I think there’s enough info out there to make sense of how things are playing out right now in terms of steps, the candidates and timing.

I’m not saying don’t keep asking questions but also be conscious of falling into the paranoia trap with this situation.

 

[thepokey]

You'd hope that given his age, the fact he'd be leaving a cushy HQ job, that he just watched his twin win a second flag, and that he seems highly emotive and competitive in nature is all lending to that he would have fire in the belly for the job. I don't see him as a stop gap coach like Woosha was or an end of his career burnt out messiah like Malthouse at Carlton was. I'd say if he's going for it he's in for a longer haul.

 

[DonsRule]

Might've been one in 20 years, there was a statistic floating around the other day

Malthouse is an interesting one though he was poached in his prime at WCE rather than really sacked,. But its not a good trait in general.