Coach Who Should Our Next Coach Be (Poll Updated)

[Buckleys_Chance]

That’s such a newscorp link, what if Mitchell said yes?

Exactly. What if? They took a risk to save their own skins. I think it’s irresponsible. If Browne hadn’t been challenging I contend they would have responded differently. We could have let Buckley coach out the season and then made a call. McRae and Kingsley would have still been available and we wouldn’t look like the same rabble that Pyke appears to want nothing to do with. Again, we are reading tea leaves here but my read is that the board acted in their own interests rather than the clubs.


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[76woodenspooners]

Carlton believe him... which is why theyre entertaining the idea of keeping Teague for an extra year, on the basis they get Clarko from 2023, …

The strategy of having an unstable coach for a year would only further ruin Carlton (fine by me, but don’t think they’d do that)

and save a fortune in not having to pay Teague out...

Not really. Soft cap is around $6 million, Teague would be on around $400K. Carlton are doing OK financially.

 

[unplugged]

I know who I'd rather coach out of the 2 teams, a team with McKay Weitering as bookends, a midfield with Cerra Walsh Cripps, forwards C Curnow and Jack Martin, Running Defenders Saad and Williams. Mark Neeld could coach this side to a flag. Of course I would love Clarko to come to the Pies, if he could get us a flag he will be hands down the best coach in history.

You realise that team missed the finals? You think Cerra is going to propel them to a flag? Or do you think Neeld is considerably better than Teague?

 

[AmericanMustard]

Exactly. What if? They took a risk to save their own skins. I think it’s irresponsible. If Browne hadn’t been challenging I contend they would have responded differently. We could have let Buckley coach out the season and then made a call. McRae and Kingsley would have still been available and we wouldn’t look like the same rabble that Pyke appears to want nothing to do with. Again, we are reading tea leaves here but my read is that the board acted in their own interests rather than the clubs.


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Definitely entitled to your read, and clearly we differ on this issue. But the club identified that Buckley wasn’t the right person for the job and pulled the trigger straight away, it’s what all clubs should do, look at the shambles at Carlton when you don’t, they’re in a shit slinging match with their current coach and his manager and now he might end up staying…

If Mitchell said yes, he’s not a big fish you were suggesting the club was removing Buckley for. Pyke saved face, he wasn’t getting the job and went on the front foot like all good managers would instruct their client to do. There’s no chance he waited until a week out before we most likely made a decision to decide we’re too much of a rabble, that could have been decided months ago.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Honestly, after seeing the way Carlton have handled Teague, any coach would have to be mental to want to go there.

How have they handled Teague so badly?

Serious question, I haven’t been following it that closely. Last I heard the club announced a review into footy operations led by Walshy, initially the senior coach’s role was out of scope, but it seems to have been added to the scope. Meanwhile Carlton have been playing games of footy, winning some, losing more. Carlton (quite reasonably) didn’t want to act on the findings until after the season was done. The season is now done. The media are doing what the media does and sensationalising this.

What could / should Carlton have done differently?

 

[shizzle]

After watching the Clarko/Dimma post game presser the other day I wasn't of the opinion Clarko would take the job. He went out of his way to talk about how clubs should persist with new coaches, specifically Carlton, how he could have been sacked a few years in, how Dimma could have been sacked, but the clubs persisted and reaped the rewards.

Just sounded like someone who could not take that job under the current circumstances, people might say well he's got $12 million reasons why, but he seems like someone of great character, I don't think he's coming here either fwiw, but can't see him going to Carlton.

 

[Apex36]

How have they handled Teague so badly?

Serious question, I haven’t been following it that closely. Last I heard the club announced a review into footy operations led by Walshy, initially the senior coach’s role was out of scope, but it seems to have been added to the scope. Meanwhile Carlton have been playing games of footy, winning some, losing more. Carlton (quite reasonably) didn’t want to act on the findings until after the season was done. The season is now done. The media are doing what the media does and sensationalising this.

What could / should Carlton have done differently?

There has been no public support from the club over the course of the season. The season is done, and he’s still got no answer on his future. They’re making him conduct exit interviews when he doesn’t even know if he’ll be there next year ffs. As it stands, it looks very much like they’re trying to woo Clarkson, while using retaining Teague as plan B. That’s no way to treat a contracted coach. Either back him in and get the right people around him, or let him go, don’t leave him in this ugly state of limbo. I’ve never seen a club treat a contracted coach with such distain and I’m surprised you’d even question what they’re doing wrong.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Very happy with McRae should it be him. Can’t have much more of a stacked CV and many more glowing references.

Can’t understand why others have said the job is unappealing.

Apart from the nuffies on here no one has said the job is unappealing, …

Serious? Keeping the natives happy at Collingwood ain’t easy. President is in the job two months and some launch a petition to trigger an EGM.

Plum coaching job in the AFL would have be the Swans. If Longmire has a bad day at the office the biggest blowback he can expect is some sweet little old lady wearing a hand knitted Swans scarf offering to share a cup of hot tea from her thermos flask, and a pat on the head that everything is going to be OK. Sometimes I wonder if that’s why the Swans have had such sustained success.

Worst coaching job in the AFL would have to be West Coast. A bad day at the office probably leads to your kids getting beaten up in the playground at school. Crows probably wouldn’t be far behind.

Where do you reckon we’d be on that scale?

There are always going to be bad days at the office.

 

[Quicky]

I think Craig McRae would be an excellent pick. He has played under, been the development coach for or assistant coach with the best coaches in the modern game. From Mathews to Malthouse, Hardwick and Clarkson, how many premierships amongst them? He knows what success is and what it looks like. He'd have learnt a lot from the best.

He has been the head coach of Coburg in the VFL. He has a strong development background and we'll need that through the rebuild. I also like that he has worked at Collingwood, but not too recently, so knows what the clubs about. If the selection panel thinks he can coach i'd be optimistic.

I didn't realise that in addition to the above, McRae was head coach of Richmonds VFL side. He was voted best VFL coach one of those years. So serious experience leading the ship too. I reckon McRaes our guy.

 

[gouki88]

I know who I'd rather coach out of the 2 teams, a team with McKay Weitering as bookends, a midfield with Cerra Walsh Cripps, forwards C Curnow and Jack Martin, Running Defenders Saad and Williams. Mark Neeld could coach this side to a flag. Of course I would love Clarko to come to the Pies, if he could get us a flag he will be hands down the best coach in history.

The Blues list has a gaping lack of depth. Guys like Cripps and Cerra are B-grade midfielders. Charlie Curnow can't get on the park, and when he was out there this year he seemingly forgot how to kick. Jack Martin is genuinely rubbish - 13 disposals a game, 8 goals in 11 games, and is paid a boat load. Zac Williams was torn apart by the media because he doesn't work hard.

The grass is not all that green

 

[jimmy35]

I didn't realise that in addition to the above, McRae was head coach of Richmonds VFL side. He was voted best VFL coach one of thise years. So serious experience leading the ship too. I reckon McRaes our guy.

Becomes more and more appealing doesn’t it? Fresh start, coach with a long, solid and impressive CV.

 

[Buckleys_Chance]

Definitely entitled to your read, and clearly we differ on this issue. But the club identified that Buckley wasn’t the right person for the job and pulled the trigger straight away, it’s what all clubs should do, look at the shambles at Carlton when you don’t, they’re in a sh*t slinging match with their current coach and his manager and now he might end up staying…

If Mitchell said yes, he’s not a big fish you were suggesting the club was removing Buckley for. Pyke saved face, he wasn’t getting the job and went on the front foot like all good managers would instruct their client to do. There’s no chance he waited until a week out before we most likely made a decision to decide we’re too much of a rabble, that could have been decided months ago.

I think the board would have seen Mitchell as a win. Fair point regarding Pyke. It just smells a bit desperate to me and these are crucial times for a club. Normally you might be right but things at Collingwood are not normal this year. From here, we can either launch a successful rebuild or spend the next couple of decades in the wilderness like Carlton. I worry we’ve been too stable and successful for too long, and people just assume it will stay that way. The sooner we have clarity on what the board will look like, the better. Hopefully a new board (which seems likely) will agree with whoever is appointed head coach. The whole thing is just such a mess.


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[76woodenspooners]

You've got a legendary mastermind of a coach.. with cheapos assisting him.. or you've got an untried type with money to splash on blokes who have developed a reasonable enough rep to considered good?

What's the reason why we don't need the $$'s to splash on untried types if Clarko is coaching? What's the growth of these types in 2 yrs time under Clarko?

If I was going to give you the benefit of any doubt with your theory.. you're effectively saying we're robbing Peter to pay Paul.. so I doubt your theory makes any sense at all.

A counter consideration to that is motivation.

Imagine you’ve busted your backside for 17 years to organise everything in your own image exactly how it needs to be, from the crystal chandeliers to the gold plated door handles. And then you gotta find the energy to do it all again from scratch. Unlike in 2004 when Clarko started at Hawks, he probably couldn’t nor dhoukdn’t be as hands on as he was back then. But somebody still has to do the work. And those people need yo be paid.

 

[Jen2310]

I know who I'd rather coach out of the 2 teams, a team with McKay Weitering as bookends, a midfield with Cerra Walsh Cripps, forwards C Curnow and Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

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10.0

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HB

6.3

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M

4.9

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T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

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7.0

4star

M

4.3

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3.6

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, Running Defenders Saad and Williams. Mark Neeld could coach this side to a flag. Of course I would love Clarko to come to the Pies, if he could get us a flag he will be hands down the best coach in history.

Ok ok. I was with you until Cripps. The rest of them.. please


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[Shannin]

Ok ok. I was with you until Cripps. The rest of them.. please


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You'd rather Madgen Noble JT and C Brown than Curnow Jack Martin Saad and Williams, ok you are entitled to your opinion

 

[stormskye]

You'd rather Madgen Noble JT and C Brown than Curnow Jack Martin Saad and Williams, ok you are entitled to your opinion

Martin is an overpaid spud, Saad is on 800k a year, far to much for a flanker, Williams 800k spud. You can have them on those wages if ya want.

 

[Shannin]

Martin is an overpaid spud, Saad is on 800k a year, far to much for a flanker, Williams 800k spud.

Forget about the coin, that's Carltons stuff up. I'm talking about talent alone. Again if you would rather our list full of players that can't hit targets that's fine

 

[Jen2310]

You'd rather Madgen Noble JT and C Brown than Curnow Jack Martin Saad and Williams, ok you are entitled to your opinion

Yes. I’d rather Maynard. Crisp, Quaynor, Noble. Elliott. Henry. Ginnivan. Mccreery.


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[stormskye]

Forget about the coin, that's Carltons stuff up. I'm talking about talent alone. Again if you would rather our list full of players that can't hit targets that's fine

How can you forget about coin? Why do you think saad and Williams went to Carlton? They brought them on on huge deals and where did that get them? If you are paying spuds like Williams 800k, guess where that leads… to us. I can’t understand the fascination with the basket case Carlton.

 

[Shannin]

How can you forget about coin? Why do you think saad and Williams went to Carlton? They brought them on on huge deals and where did that get them? If you are paying spuds like Williams 800k, guess where that leads… to us.

I'm not here for an argument, I said I know what list I'd rather have. List!!! Look we are in a rebuild and Blues have under achieved which makes me happy. I don't give a rats about what they pay their players.

 

[gouki88]

You'd rather Madgen Noble JT and C Brown than Curnow Jack Martin Saad and Williams, ok you are entitled to your opinion

Nice and disingenuous of you to compare guys we've had on rookie list and mid-season drafts to players Carlton are paying $700k+ a year to.

I would rather Maynard and Crisp to Saad and Williams beyond a shadow of a doubt. I would rather Jordan De Goey or Jamie Elliott to Jack Martin. I would also probably rather Checkers than Curnow given Checkers can actually stay fit.

 

[Shannin]

Nice and disingenuous of you to compare guys we've had on rookie list and mid-season drafts to players Carlton are paying $700k+ a year to.

I would rather Maynard and Crisp to Saad and Williams beyond a shadow of a doubt. I would rather Jordan De Goey or Jamie Elliott to Jack Martin. I would also probably rather Checkers than Curnow given Checkers can actually stay fit.

Sorry precious peeps, I took this off topic my bad. Back to topic , I vote Clarko

 

[Billys Back]

The strategy of having an unstable coach for a year would only further ruin Carlton (fine by me, but don’t think they’d do that)



Not really. Soft cap is around $6 million, Teague would be on around $400K. Carlton are doing OK financially.

there is no way Teague would be on $400k. The worst paid coach still gets a minimum $650k.

 

[Billys Back]

Hopefully all we are waiting for is to interview Clarkson (if it's true), before we can finally make an announcement on the coach.
The sooner we make an announcement, the better.

Do we even know who the club has interviewed thus far? McRae, Voss ....?

 

[76woodenspooners]

There has been no public support from the club over the course of the season.

What public support can he reasonably expect?

If the report recommends to fire Teague then they fire Teague.
If the report recommends to keep Teague then they keep Teague.

Why would the club pre-empt the findings of the report by supporting him?

Carlton exist to win games of footy and ultimately Premierships, they don’t exist to provide cuddles for senior coaches of teams that haven’t been performing and are under review?

The season is done, and he’s still got no answer on his future.

It’s only been four days?
He’s being paid?
He’s contracted for next year and will be paid for next year regardless of what happens?

Why are Carlton under any obligation whatsoever to do anything except what is in the best interests of Carlton?

They’re making him conduct exit interviews when he doesn’t even know if he’ll be there next year ffs. As it stands, it looks very much like they’re trying to woo Clarkson, while using retaining Teague as plan B. That’s no way to treat a contracted coach.

Why not? Teague is there to serve Carlton, it’s not the other way around.

And for comparison, Buckley always knew his place in the club’s hierarchy, and he was consistent about that.

Either back him in and get the right people around him, or let him go, don’t leave him in this ugly state of limbo.

Whether it’s four days or four weeks, in a few months we’ll be in the heat of the trade period and nobody will care, least of all Teague. Even if he ends up leaving with his one year payout, and bitter over what happened it won’t be because of how long it took to make the decision.

This is a media trash rag story. Nobody really has any idea what is going on behind the scenes.

I’ve never seen a club treat a contracted coach with such distain …

It happened at our club in 2017?

Walsh mid-season started a review into the footy dept, just as he’s now done at Carlton?

Buckley’s role was uncertain throughout the process, just as Teague’s is now?

Collingwood certainly didn’t give Buckley any assurances over his role, just as Carlton haven’t given Teague any?

Collingwood waited until a little after the season before making a decision on Buckley (~28th August in Collingwood’s case)

Both clubs finished 13th on the ladder that year.

Sure, in Collingwood’s case the review concluded that Buckley was the right coach (and hindsight kinda validated that). Maybe Carlton come to the same conclusion, or maybe they come to a different conclusion. But as far as execution what’s the difference between what’s happened at Carlton and what happened at Collingwood?